Karma and Astrology

[guest608]

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[Jitendra Hydonus]

This Body

Thanks for taking the time to put the wisdom of Sri Yukteswar to us in a more completed manner about astrology. I wore a bangle like the one Sri Yukteswar describes and have had an unusual experience with it.

Some of the most important message I’ve gotten from Astrology is in the way he has described it in the ‘Holy Science’ and the ‘Autobiography’. He is truly a great astrologer and his wisdom about the yugas will most likely soon turn all scholars upside down in their linear approach to history. Sri Yukteswar uses a form of Astrology that measures birth from the moment of conception. There are many approaches to astrology but this intuitive approach may be the most ideal. Other astrology approaches have validity of their own but admittedly most likely have no comparison to his, which by the way he was one of the magi (astrologers) that visited the child Jesus as one of the wisemen.

“Man is a soul, and has a body. When he properly places his sense of identity, he leaves behind all compulsive patterns. So long as he remains confused in his ordinary state of spiritual amnesia, he will know the subtle fetters of environmental law.”

~ Sri Yukteswar

I would say that all psychologists, Astrologers and counselors do their best to remember this advice of the Master;

“It is only when a traveler has reached his goal that he is justified in discarding his maps. During the journey, he takes advantage of any convenient short cut.”

~ Sri Yukteswar

I found the last paragraph you quoted above to be the most important information you provided above… thanks….

“There is a deeper astrology, not dependent on the testimony of calendars and clocks. Each man is a part of the Creator, or Cosmic Man; he has a heavenly body as well as one of earth. The human eye sees the physical form, but the inward eye penetrates more profoundly, even to the universal pattern of which each man is an integral and individual part.” ~ Sri  Yukteswar

[guest587]

I remember Gurunath saying something similar. He was laughing as he recalled a story of a man who looked at his chart. The man said he looked aghast and told Gurunath, "according to the chart you should be a dead man!"

Basically, he was saying that we're meant to transcend our stars. He also shared the sentiment that it's good to utilize the tools in our arsenal, but highlighted that we have free will and are not limited- or as Sri Yukteswar has elegantly stated- not automatons.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I remember Gurunath saying something similar. He was laughing as he recalled a story of a man who looked at his chart. The man said he looked aghast and told Gurunath, "according to the chart you should be a dead man!"

Basically, he was saying that we're meant to transcend our stars. He also shared the sentiment that it's good to utilize the tools in our arsenal, but highlighted that we have free will and are not limited- or as Sri Yukteswar has elegantly stated- not automatons.

We come into this life with karma, both good and bad, spiritual and material, talents and service capabilities. This we were born with. Most people are automatons, of their past karma. Being and experiencing meditation - Eric and Uwe and others here - you are breaking the walls of karmic factors and creating another ‘chart’ for yourself for what is to come until you are completely free. Also others like Kelly myself and Art (who have visited saints and Masters) who have taken a deep interest in astrology are using this tool to help them navigate life’s challenges and understand how to use them in an effective way for their personal growth, and helping others with astrology.

How ever, even Masters have charts that signify their personal expression as Masters. They may come into this life perfected but still express various factors part of divine order that the universe reflects. As an example; Jesus was a Pisces and sacrificed. Yogananda was a Capricorn and led a lasting organization. Amma is a Libra and is focused on balancing service with meditation for her devotees. Both Amma and Yogananda were born under cardinal signs expressing leadership. So even though Masters are above their charts they do play the divine drama to perfection signified by their charts.

I am not here to read anyone’s chart who is not receptive or interested. I don’t get payed for this here at spiritualportal and have not sought pay from members here. I spent sometime for instance with Eric telling him about the changes taking place in his life at one time. It was not to make myself out as an authority but to help us understand what was happening in his life. I have also spent time with Kelly and understanding her relationship with the stars and planets, she has also helped me in her interest in astrology. This can be said of Art as well.

I am not infallible and certainly have not interpreted everything perfectly. But as you may already know even Masters do qualify their predictions with statements like ‘ this will be happening but with God’s Grace anything is possible.’ Furthermore, whatever I say that may be challenging can be conquered.

I have a chart. Regardless if I am enlightened or not the energies coming my way from the stellar influences manifest. It is all in how I react, don’t respond or ignore, that determines my state of consciousness when things happen as shown in transits of planets and locations of stars relative to such transits and key points to the chart.

It is a phenomena of knowledge, that whenever someone has a small amount of it, there always is someone that attempts to find a ‘chink in the armor’ of such a one or a vulnerable point instead of acknowledging the benefits that may be derived. Interestingly enough, this can also be seen in their charts and the charts of those who use such gifts to help others.

No one has made any claims about this site being perfect or the people attending this site exhibiting perfected skills. We come here to help one another and not to criticize one another. Fortunately, I have found that those who have spent their energies criticizing and judging others exhibiting an unkind spirit eventually leave.

[guest587]

Steve, you've quoted me but have responded from a rather high horse. I'm not sure I can see up so high, there's a glare coming down from the heavens. Perhaps there's some additional experience missing to what merits such a heavy reply or this worry over someone, "looking for chinks in your armor?" In either case, thank you for all the time and energy you do spend with helping us gain spiritual insight and perspective with our lives.  As a treptasaurus I find the mud rather comforting. It helps me feel grounded!   

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, you've quoted me but have responded from a rather high horse. I'm not sure I can see up so high, there's a glare coming down from the heavens. Perhaps there's some additional experience missing to what merits such a heavy reply or this worry over someone, "looking for chinks in your armor?" In either case, thank you for all the time and energy you do spend with helping us gain spiritual insight and perspective with our lives.  As a treptasaurus I find the mud rather comforting. It helps me feel grounded!   

Just dismount, lighten your load and give your horse some fresh water. The glare is most likely from the presence of maya we are all attracted to and often find ourselves misinterpreting. No doubt though if there is any additional experience missing it will manifest more as time moves on and we witness it’s manifesting all our inner thoughts and attitudes. You may need to wear sun glasses for the rest of the ride. I do not think you are looking for chinks in anyone’s armor here. And I thank you as well for giving us help in gaining spiritual insight and perspective! Yes, i have quoted you and i have again, i appreciate your responses. At times we see friends and those around us who become self satisfied in their outlooks and therefore find no reason to make an introspective attempt to understand their own feelings and attitudes. i find that you are attempting to understand this as I am myself.

What I see happening here are lessons in perception. We all look at life subjectively. But what is the real intent of a persons response or post? Do we really know? It is a humbling experience to recognize that we as yet not enlightened beings see thru the focus of our own minds and attitudes, not necessarily what is reality and recognizes the inner intent of someone else. Astrology for the most part is an observational science. To the extent that spiritual perception and intuitive wisdom is interjected often shows the validity of the astrologer on a higher level of consciousness to just observation and empirical evidence. An astrologer like Sri Yukteswar has a road map far superior to most of the human race. Who would venture to contradict such wisdom. It is at times difficult to even comprehend the various approaches of Masters from a human perspective. 😊

[Jitendra Hydonus]

My most favorite quotes from Sri Yukteswarji (above, see my OP in this thread) on the "economy" of karma and astrology are the ones, pointing to the freedom potential we all have. This also touches on the idea of a supposed free will. Long story short, according to my understanding, man (and woman) only have one option to escape all our earned karmas from previous and the current incarnation in what has been named as "ishvara pranidhana" (i.e. turning to God) by Sage Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras.

The masters show the way to enlightenment. Either we have that urge in us, or we don't. If we don't, then only prayers by, and interventions of realized masters, or the Lord himself (herself) can save us from our own earned karmas, which usually reverberate around things like our own thoughts, words, and actions motivated by our Egos to be loved, to be strong, healthy, and happy in all earthly respects.

So, IMO we shouldn't call our astrologer, but the Lord himself to redeem us of our own self-made miseries.

Just sayin'.

The Lord does not always come in direct contact with devotees but thru his intermediaries and can in fact respond in an indigent street hobo. Some times we need not even call God’s chosen spokesmen in any given event. The Lord is merciful enough to intervene without such inquiries. I have certainly witnessed such help from such seemingly humble sources. I am always grateful for the help of human beings. And I recall once asking Amma to help me with deciding which course to take when I had melanoma stage 4. She simply replied; follow your Doctors advice. Thank God I did so because at the time I was completely cured. Choose the path that suits you. We all must learn in our own time and way.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I've had such street-hobo's whispers myself. It is a question of one's open ears. Yet, in positing oneself as an astrologer lies a great karmical danger, Steve.

In posting oneself as anything lies karmic dangers. Also karmic dangers lie in not using one’s talents to help others. Great karmic danger lies in judging the merits or abilities of others.

[guest587]

We are deluded into thinking God does not speak to us in every instance- God is all there is. It is we who do not see or hear, master or no master. The difference in understanding a message or not has everything to do with our Ego. When we begin to see every moment as Miraculous, belonging to God, we start to understand the message. And He can use any one or any thing to deliver it. The question is not whether he is speaking- but whether or not we are listening.


"You do not have to struggle to reach God,
    but you do have to struggle to tear away
       the self-created veil that hides him from you."

-Paramahansa Yogananda

"There is only one virtue      
          and only one sin
                for a soul on the path:
virtue when he is conscious of God          
                  and sin when he is not."

-Abu Hashim Madani

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I've had such street-hobo's whispers myself. It is a question of one's open ears. Yet, in positing oneself as an astrologer lies a great karmical danger, Steve.

Quite often I do not even need to check the stars and planets. I just get hunches about what’s going to happen to someone and tell them they should be careful but they at times do not listen and what I say to be cautious about happens to them. Astrology just reaffirms my hunches; If I were to check. On the contrary I think that not warning people posits the larger threat. And telling someone they have opportunities and it is a good time to make choices can also be very helpful. The karmic danger of not helping others and yourself when difficult times arrive because of karmic factors is the real abuse of intuition and astrological configurations… if you are aware of them. And though psychologists and spiritual healers do the same, without the knowledge of Gods laws and signs sprawled across the heavens they may be very limited in their abilities of making sense of problems and gifts.

Not only do I meditate, pray and use astrology to understand the life of others and myself but I often see other signs around me. For instance; in completing this post I noticed it as 11:11 which is also a sign from another quarter that made me feel what I had just posted was helpful to everyone seeing and reading this thread…. And I also had a de ja vu experience about someone, which I’m
not about to ignore.

People who do not care to listen have that option and those having a different opinion about astrology are welcome to use the methods suited for them. It is more likely to pose a danger to oneself to criticize or judge others when they may disagree but are able to grow and improve their lives in their own ways which is perfectly fine by me.


~ Jitendra

P.S. Eric, I appreciate your insights below.

We are deluded into thinking God does not speak to us in every instance- God is all there is. It is we who do not see or hear, master or no master. The difference in understanding a message or not has everything to do with our Ego. When we begin to see every moment as Miraculous, belonging to God, we start to understand the message. And He can use any one or any thing to deliver it. The question is not whether he is speaking- but whether or not we are listening.


"You do not have to struggle to reach God,
    but you do have to struggle to tear away
       the self-created veil that hides him from you."

-Paramahansa Yogananda

"There is only one virtue      
          and only one sin
                for a soul on the path:
virtue when he is conscious of God          
                  and sin when he is not."

-Abu Hashim Madani

After reading Eric’s entry here and what you have written UWE ….

So, IMO we shouldn't call our astrologer, but the Lord himself to redeem us of our own self-made miseries.

Just sayin'.

I would say I agree but as I have also many challenges of my own and I need to for instance ask mechanics to help me with fixing my car, and technicians to fix all the musical instruments and equipment I have a responsibility for. Like wise many people have difficulties with other people that they need to understand. God does not help in direct ways about everything. He expects us to take the initiative and find help from others as well.

So you see I studied to be a psychologist in college and worked in the field for years. And to think 🤔 that astrology can just be thrown out of the field, is actually synonymous to thinking God can be thrown out of the equation of Psychology. Why? Because God’s Divine plan can be seen, to some degree, in astrology but not as easily in psychology. In fact there are many types of psychology that had no place for a God. As in Behavioral Psychology. When I went to college the professor called it; superstitious behavior. So in fact I would take just the opposite view of what you stated above ‘this body’. Positing one self as an astrologer actually supports a good karmic view of God, and is good karma. Kelly once had a psychic book store and Christians did a similar thing to her. It is called witch hunting and making up things about people to railroad them out of town. The bad karma is on them. “A great karmical danger”.

I've had such street-hobo's whispers myself. It is a question of one's open ears. Yet, in positing oneself as an astrologer lies a great karmical danger, Steve.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Yet, in positing oneself as an astrologer lies a great karmical danger, Steve.

https://youtube.com/shorts/kp9z77a9zO4?si=RA3mlUoHweZutvcm

Everyone has something to offer. Perhaps we are not a Marlon Brando, a Sri Yukteswar or a John Lennon. Yet in our own ways we share what we do have and we are grateful for the friends that continue giving. All these people have made mistakes; who has the right to decide, whether because of their talents, they pose a grave karmic danger?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I was fortunate to meet a good astrologer -not a Sri Yukteswar, but a good astrologer - when I was young, she was very helpful in understanding myself and the people who came into my life; a true friend!

I would say she would have done a great disservice to others if she hadn’t shared her knowledge and understanding, that would have been the ‘great karmic danger’.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Thanks UWE ,

I have found that I am also responsible for my discrimination in accepting or rejecting another persons advice. This also is an important part of the spiritual path for me. I was going to college and remember a college professor who was the head of the religion department tell me that Paramahansa Yogananda’s life was filled with scandals and affairs. Her statements I brushed off like leaves on an over windy day. I asked myself one important question; what has this Master done for me and my life? Perception and mindsets play heavily in any situation when we get advice. We have to discriminate constantly and even ask ourselves when we get advice; Does this advice really pertain to me? Am I able to take suggestions and advice correctly? Or, do I take offense to suggestions and advice? It matters not so much about what we hear from others but rather how we take such advice, how we react, respond and whether it is applicable to our understanding of our own sadhana.

The interesting thing I found about Paramahansa Yogananda that I still need to incorporate in my own life is this;

He would be criticized harshly but find some bit of truth in it or a reason for such behavior that applies to others. Once he was with monks and a person walked up and started lecturing him on what it was to be a Christian. The monks said do we have to listen to such ignorance from others. Yet when the man left, the Master said to the monks; Look how devoted this man is, I would like you to take his devotion as an example. If I find the story I will relate it the way it was described in the SRF lessons. ( self realization fellowship).

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Thanks what I’ve observed with Eric, and possibly you and mccoy and now with me also is that various experiences happen to have a tandem in a combination, seemingly orchestrated by a higher power…. For a divine purpose if only as a lesson. It is a way of learning and also validates the biblical proverb; “where two or more are gathered in my name, there I shall be also.”

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Thanks what I’ve observed with Eric, and possibly you and mccoy and now with me also is that various experiences happen to have a tandem in a combination, seemingly orchestrated by a higher power…. For a divine purpose if only as a lesson. It is a way of learning and also validates the biblical proverb; “where two or more are gathered in my name, there I shall be also.”

Steve. Not sure I even remotely fathom what you're talking about. Let it sink in a few hours, but even then...

(Except for the quote towards the end of your post - I wholeheartedly agree with that one.) 

Yes; thanks for taking an interest. I’ll attempt to explain but maybe 🤔 Eric could do a better job of it before I muddle things up. Hope he attempts to do so. The post was about synchronized events and happenings between friends.