Anandamoy, on god's spheres of thought. Further considerations

[mccoy]

The concept has already been discussed in this forum but I cannot find the thread. So I'm creating a new one. We'll make reference to the above masterful talk by Anandamoy: Your thoughts can change your life'.

Speaking about God and creation, how creation needs contrasts and so God had to create good and evil, light and darkness. We arrive at time 2:54.

"And in order to have this complex creation, he created these vast spheres of thought, different kinds of thought, just like radio waves. You have different vibrations, isn't it? Different frequencies"

Then he goes on reporting the words of SY in the Autobiography:

"And so, likewise, this is why Sri Yukteswar says: Thought is universally rooted, not individually. In other words, if we are thinking any kind of thought, we are not creating that thought. God has already created that."

The above words constitute a very deep metaphysical concept. Anandamoy uses that to affirm that the ultimate responsibility of our clinging even to bad thought and actions is God's because he created all types of thoughts, good and evil, all the vast spheres of thought that make up the repository of human conceivable insights and mistakes.

[mccoy]

Eminent mathematicians like Paul Erdos and Roger Penrose have clearly stated that mathematics is not a creation of the human brain, it's rather a concept, an assemblage of ideas, a repository, which si already objectively existing, an ensemble of ideas, of spheres of thoughts, which si waiting to be grasped.

So, some of the greatest scientists and mathematicians are adhering to the model of the spheres of thought, like exposed by Sri Yukteswar and Bro. Anandamoy.

Such a model can be applied to everything in the universe. any thought, any vibrations.

A concept can be wrong, that is, it belongs to a wrong sphere of thought, which has nevertheless been created by God. Wrong is not even the right word, rather dark, evil, with low vibrations. Wrong is a thought which related to darkness, in all its manifestations. A contrast, something which had to be there because creation needs duality.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

The concept has already been discussed in this forum but I cannot find the thread. So I'm creating a new one. We'll make reference to the above masterful talk by Anandamoy: Your thoughts can change your life'.

Speaking about God and creation, how creation needs contrasts and so God had to create good and evil, light and darkness. We arrive at time 2:54.

"And in order to have this complex creation, he created these vast spheres of thought, different kinds of thought, just like radio waves. You have different vibrations, isn't it? Different frequencies"

Then he goes on reporting the words of SY in the Autobiography:

"And so, likewise, this is why Sri Yukteswar says: Thought is universally rooted, not individually. In other words, if we are thinking any kind of thought, we are not creating that thought. God has already created that."

The above words constitute a very deep metaphysical concept. Anandamoy uses that to affirm that the ultimate responsibility of our clinging even to bad thought and actions is God's because he created all types of thoughts, good and evil, all the vast spheres of thought that make up the repository of human conceivable insights and mistakes.

Ah yes yes thanks mccoy. It makes it easier to embrace it that way; that all the things we may disagree with are nevertheless part of Gods creation. Can we yet also assimilate why it must include such painful truths that put others in harms reach? This is not so easy but a concept or a vibration,if you will, of theodicy, asks such questions. We are told by the ancients and the yogis it is more important to rise above such dualities, nevertheless still being affected by them until we have the awesome perspective of for instance of Babaji who said that by only a little bit of this practice- Kriya yoga- we would be saved from dire fear and colossal suffering.

I will be listening to this soon but for now I also remember B. Anandamoy saying there will always be ‘rascals’ disrupting dharma even in the higher ages to come. Dharma being the perfect plan or thought sphere for us to embrace to tunnel us out of sane existence into and beyond thought; free of all duality. I ‘think’ Eric is touching on this concept also when he eludes to the fact he would rather avoid such clashes of thought or duality in our thought exchanges over politics.

Having such a detached attitude I saw in Anandamoy was part of what I see as a rather distant or seemingly uncompassionate outlook to the life struggles of others. None the less; embracing good and evil because they were both made by God.

‘I the Lord did all these things; I created light and darkness. I created good and evil.’ ~ Isaiah

[Jitendra Hydonus]

We are not responsible for the evil in this world. God is. But it makes all the difference in the world what sphere of thought we are attuned to’ -~ Anandamoy

Psalm 130 1
If you, O LORD, kept a record of sins, O Lord, who could stand? But with you there is forgiveness; therefore you are feared. I wait for the LORD, my soul waits, and in his word I put my hope. My soul waits for the Lord more than watchmen wait for the morning, more than watchmen wait for the morning.

You know your thoughts can change your life ~ Anandamoy

I’ve heard the talk before Lucca, but not quite like this time.. thanks 🙏

[mccoy]

Steve, this is an occasion for me to review attentively the talk, I've been watching the video with captions, sentence per sentence, and was about to comment on the one you started out with.

We are not responsible for the evil in this world. God is. But it makes all the difference in the world what sphere of thought we are attuned to’ -~


For example. I'd say, the sphere of destruction. Mr. Putin and his buddies seem to be perfectly attuned to it.


In the Palestinian conflict, I saw both parties well attuned to the particular sub-sphere of destructive retaliation, with innocent people drawn into the deadly vortex of mass karma.

We may also be convinced that we are attuned to some positive sphere of thought, whereas we are attuned into a negative one. This is because, as unenlightened human beings, our discrimination is imperfect.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, this is an occasion for me to review attentively the talk, I've been watching the video with captions, sentence per sentence, and was about to comment on the one you started out with.

We are not responsible for the evil in this world. God is. But it makes all the difference in the world what sphere of thought we are attuned to’ -~


For example. I'd say, the sphere of destruction. Mr. Putin and his buddies seem to be perfectly attuned to it.


In the Palestinian conflict, I saw both parties well attuned to the particular sub-sphere of destructive retaliation, with innocent people drawn into the deadly vortex of mass karma.

We may also be convinced that we are attuned to some positive sphere of thought, whereas we are attuned into a negative one. This is because, as unenlightened human beings, our discrimination is imperfect.

I see two spheres of thought when it comes to the Ukrainian/Russia issue. One is the collective and the other the individual. So we have people in countries who want to be more isolated and separate in their identities. Eric and I touched on this issue when we chatted about people having their own path and dharma. As you see though I am using an international example here. The question starts arising when two dharmas or paths cross at an intersection. What happens? Do they merge ideas or come in conflict? Is it even possible to merge different spheres of thought without conflict and at times war?

XI and his communist buddies have tortured meditators in that country… the Falun Gong . I believe we must prove we can no longer take a chance letting other nations invade their neighbors, especially those who consistently torture and murder opposition. If we do we will only encourage the Chinese to do the same to Taiwan.

[mccoy]

This concept of God's vast spheres of thought keeps fascinating me. I try and imagine how the vibratory thought-spheres have been created, perhaps in an explosive fashion of conceptual fireworks, in analogy to the big bang which is the inception of the (or this) universe.

I also try and gain some deeper insight, to apply pragmatistically in life. Grasping the subtleties of some spheres can be of great help. This is a process which takes years or lives at times if done the traditional way (study). By intuition, it may take seconds.

[guest649]

I see two spheres of thought when it comes to the Ukrainian/Russia issue. One is the collective and the other the individual. So we have people in countries who want to be more isolated and separate in their identities. Eric and I touched on this issue when we chatted about people having their own path and dharma. As you see though I am using an international example here. The question starts arising when two dharmas or paths cross at an intersection. What happens? Do they merge ideas or come in conflict? Is it even possible to merge different spheres of thought without conflict and at times war?

XI and his communist buddies have tortured meditators in that country… the Falun Gong . I believe we must prove we can no longer take a chance letting other nations invade their neighbors, especially those who consistently torture and murder opposition. If we do we will only encourage the Chinese to do the same to Taiwan.

As usual, you're able to see black & white. As McCoy pointed out before, one's own intuition might well go wrong, even if one is considered 'spiritually advanced' or a comprehensive idiot by others or ourselves, as we humans usually fail to comprehend God's (or the Universe's) laws and sphere's of thought - much less attribute positive or negative values to such spheres.

Here's an easy primer (not only for you, Steve) but for all advanced thinkers:

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Yes mccoy I believe there are many spheres of thought some exchanging views and shades of grey as well as those taking a strong view that everyone else that doesn’t have their view is tantamount to being a paranoid schizoid. No situation is all one way or another as all left all right. We may take on the views of others in many ways. However it is difficult to have such conversations when a neighbor breaks into your friends house or blatantly invades a neighbor’s country.

[mccoy]

We may take on the views of others in many ways. However it is difficult to have such conversations when a neighbor breaks into your friends house or blatantly invades a neighbor’s country.

The cases you cited are cases of attunement to the wrong spheres of thought. In that case of course we won't engage in a metaphysical discussion with the invader. What we should do though is to devise the best defense strategies, according to the proper spheres of thought.

In the case of Russia, Putin and most nationalists are attuned to the sphere of thought of government-seizing and highly destructive war. The western alliance was not able to attune to the diplomatic sphere of thought and avoid the war. That's a serious drawback in a way. However the NATO alliance attuned to other spheres of thought which were not brutally destructive, like economic sanctions and financial and military aids. This sphere of thought was only partially successful, since economic sanctions, like many foresaw, have had little effect, whereas the military and financial aid are very useful but didn't stop the war which is dragging along.

[mccoy]

Going back to our daily lives, it is evident that very fine attunement to some spheres of thought may be gained by some individuals, but in some cases, especially so today with the internet, we may study the concepts exposed by such individuals and gain ourselves attunement in that specific sphere.

One example is the sphere of thought of nutrition and lifestyle. Which is the best food to eat for health and longevity and what is the best lifestyle?

I've been pondering this sphere of thought for decades now and only lately I started to gain some attunement. The most credible researchers in this field are confirming today what the masters of raja yoga and kriya yoga already knew. They are expressing their thoughts in finer detail and using the advancements of Dwapara but the basic concepts remain the same.

Sri Yukteswar in a few words expressed his attunement in his book the Holy science. The most suitable food for man, as his anatomy belies, is plant-derived. Other food is good as well though, like fresh dairy products. The best diet is also a function of individual genes polymorphisms, activity, habits, tastes, purposes and so on.

The best diet for meditation has been outlined in the SRF lessons.

The rules to follow to attune to God's sphere of nutrition is to eat moderately and according to our digestive power in the specific day or moment, to eat mainly unprocessed plant-derived food: fruit, vegetables, mushrooms, whole grains or flowers, nuts, dairy products, eggs, maybe for some people modest amounts of fish or meat.

The above is not enough to attune into God's sphere of prolonged life in healthy conditions. We need to get proper exercise, sleep, emotional balance through meditation and stress management, a purpose in life through meditation and other noble endeavours.

Last but not least: the sphere of though of nutrition gives us attunement as to the best fuel for our body. Then we should forget about the fuel and start driving the car/body and act in attunement to other constructive spheres of thought.

[guest649]

On spheres of thought:

Julian Assange may appeal again against extradition to the USA.

Has anyone already mentioned the parallels between Navalny and Assange?

[mccoy]

On spheres of thought:
Julian Assange may appeal again against extradition to the USA.
Has anyone already mentioned the parallels between Navalny and Assange?

Eric, in the case of Navalny the sphere of thoughts of brutal dictatorship and autocracy applies. After his death I came to know that he had developed an efficacious strategy to gather votes in favor of Putin's opponents. He himself was the main political opponent. Then, I understood why he consigned himself to the tyrant: simply because the tyrant, being attuned to this specific sphere of thoughts, would have never relented in his pursuit to eliminate his main and ingenious opponent. Never.
So, plausibly Navalny renounced his freedom to protect himself and his family from future, inevitable assassination attempts, well knowing that anyway he would have probably found death in the jails.

In the case of Assange, I don't know the events very well to judge. America is not a brutal dictatorship, so different spheres of thought apply. The spheres of thought of factions and agencies behind the scenes of democracy, maybe.

[mccoy]

Another example of a specific sphere of thought is mental illness. Also, this sphere includes diverse sub-spheres, each with its conceptual characteristics.

I've been making an effort to attune into this sphere to gather practical info to deal with my autistic son. I did this by reading treatises of psychopharmacology, by reading specific medical articles and listening to experts talking in podcasts and meetings. At the end, I discovered that there are not so many specialists attuned to the field of low-functioning, aggressive autistic individuals. The ones more attuned were the ones who had first-person experience with this sphere of thought, having worked in institutions and having treated many patients with similar disorders.

[guest649]

First of all, my name isn't Eric. I'm Hummtydumbty. Nice to meet you.
Second, the US of Ars..oles are ruled by a league of capitalist oligarchs, and so is the whole West. Cruel they are, indeed. Insofar as they walk on the bones and ashes of those exploited and killed by them, including Mother Earth herself being exploited to the utmost.
Julian Assange may even face a death penalty when delivered to the US. Apparently no-one in the West really cares, the hypocrites there only care about who they can point their fingers at (Russia, China, the usual suspects we all know).
NO-ONE REALLY CARES except for their own pocket money. And no-one really looks behind the false media narratives spread by the Western oligarchies, as everyone enjoys their censorship. Duh..

I rest with John Cleese (see above).