Anandamoy, on god's spheres of thought. Further considerations

[Jitendra Hydonus]

First of all, my name isn't Eric. I'm Hummtydumbty. Nice to meet you.
Second, the US of Ars..oles are ruled by a league of capitalist oligarchs, and so is the whole West. Cruel they are, indeed. Insofar as they walk on the bones and ashes of those exploited and killed by them, including Mother Earth herself being exploited to the utmost.
Julian Assange may even face a death penalty when delivered to the US. Apparently no-one in the West really cares, the hypocrites there only care about who they can point their fingers at (Russia, China, the usual suspects we all know).
NO-ONE REALLY CARES except for their own pocket money. And no-one really looks behind the false media narratives spread by the Western oligarchies, as everyone enjoys their censorship. Duh..

I rest with John Cleese (see above).

I am not here to defend mccoy, I am not sure why he thought you are Eric. But let me tell you this please. We do not accept vulgarity in or on this site…. Especially  from our members. Secondly and perhaps more importantly, it is quite obvious who ever you are you have not read many threads here. I have put up countless threads about for instance Julian Assauge and Snowden as well as many other atrocities and violent acts committed by this country THAT I AM A CITIZEN IN. Need I mention the assassination of the two Kennedy brothers. Or the cover up of UFO reports.  Or perhaps the underhanded covert tactics to undermine the government’s of nations in central and South America.

So your comment about pointing the finger at Russia and China are weak if not a redirection to absolve such countries of so many human rights abuses that I am unable to even begin to to elaborate on them in my short response to your comments. However with the latest revelations I have provided here in my thread about Putin and his interference in elections in free loving nations, and my threads about the atrocities committed by the Chinese Communists to the Falun Gong meditators in China, I believe that is sufficient evidence to suggest that perhaps ‘Humpty Dumpty’ here may be a Putin and XI agitator to attempt to take down this site;  Which we have had plenty of in the last couple of months.

Lastly we can be grateful for much wisdom that has come out of China in many other threads I’ve created. And we can be grateful for such men as Gorbachev and Navalny who I’ve also shared much of my admiration for who came out of Russia. In light of what I have just expressed your comments lead me to wonder just how much you know about any of us here at the portal and whether you have any interest at all in the main thrust of this site, which is meditation and psychic awareness as well as the concept of mindfulness which applies to what I have just said about most of our topics. For example… please look at the topic heading of this thread. Let us be redirected to the interesting and helpful ideas Anandamoy has brought to us here…. Which Mccoy, through his devotion and admiration, thankfully brought us this subject.

Jitendra Hydonus

[mccoy]

LOl, whenever I see a new, elaborated name, I think that's Eric.
Sorry central scrutinizer, and thanks for scrutinizing my comment, again I dare not venture into the issue of Assange because I really don't know it.
What I'm pretty confident about is that America so far did not attune to the sphere of thought of dictatorship, but rather to the sphere of thought of a superpower with a moral duty to support global democracy.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

LOl, whenever I see a new, elaborated name, I think that's Eric.
Sorry central scrutinizer, and thanks for scrutinizing my comment, again I dare not venture into the issue of Assange because I really don't know it.
What I'm pretty confident about is that America so far did not attune to the sphere of thought of dictatorship, but rather to the sphere of thought of a superpower with a moral duty to support global democracy.

Thanks 😊 so much dear friend. Your energy is often from this higher sphere. It can be seen in your kindness. And tuning into these higher spheres is often like tuning into an exalted beauty and genius. It lifts the human spirit on wings to fly.

I recall Anandamoy saying he would ask the Guru ‘but when will you give me samadhi’ and Paramahansa Yogananda would respond; “Soon now Soon” and Brother told us that ‘we always think it’s all this way’ pointing to himself. As you know Brother Lucca from sacrificing much of your life spiritual practices for your son. It is not all one way; ‘Our way’ There is so much beauty in sacrifice and compassion that you inspire. It is a sphere of beauty higher than our little lives. It is a causal frequency well worth following and inspiring for all of us.

🙏

[Jitendra Hydonus]

LOl, whenever I see a new, elaborated name, I think that's Eric.
Sorry central scrutinizer, and thanks for scrutinizing my comment, again I dare not venture into the issue of Assange because I really don't know it.
What I'm pretty confident about is that America so far did not attune to the sphere of thought of dictatorship, but rather to the sphere of thought of a superpower with a moral duty to support global democracy.

I’m sorry to say that recently this country ( the United Clones) has let the forces of darkness drown out support for global democracy and embrace the slow deterioration of freedom loving people. Please see my thread under dharma and history; ‘ The United States responsibility in Democracy.’

[Jitendra Hydonus]

mccoy and I have been discussing this topic under Brother Anandamoy, although he has brought it to our attention through spirituality the idea has been around for some time.

The concept below helps to bring together various ideas and thought patterns together…

Abstract: The act of thinking produces different views or spheres of thought. These spheres may be convergent or divergent with each other, but they always can be integrated within a broader or more holistic sphere that comprises formerly antagonistic views. All the relative spheres may be finally embraced within the absolute sphere of fundamental unity.

Many of us, including myself are so immersed in the process of living day to day and hopefully with an appreciation of what is happening in the moment, that we seldom think beyond the obvious things that are happening in our daily life and the subjective feelings of the demands they place on us.

I have found though when observing people in my life and their actions that show differences in the way they approach relationships and the world around them it is an important to recognize that they are functioning under a sphere of thought, and what that means in a relationship with them.

As an example; since mccoy brought this topic to our awareness in this video with Brother Anandamoy speaking….

https://youtu.be/P7jeX5MyR3I?si=lpeCZ_2VocaancR8

And this is a more general link about spheres of thought…

https://www.hyponoesis.org/Content/pdf/Spheres_of_Thought.PDF

[mccoy]

Steve, please put up with my summary of this conceptual model mentioned by bro. Anandamoy (After Sri Yuksteswar's remark reported in the AOY).

God created the cosmos, first in its causal layer. The causal universe. Plato's world of ideas. The essence of creation was merely concepts, thoughts, and ideas. From such a conceptual universe, the energy and matter universes condensed.

So, the primordial creative act of God created ideas, thoughts, which are universally, not individually rooted.

Whenever we believe some thought has originated from our brain, we are wrong. Such a thought already existed in creation.

[mccoy]

So, when we think a thought, we merely attune to an already existing thought, originated by God. Such primordial conceptual entities have been called by Anandamoy God's vast spheres of thought.

whenever we think something, attune to such an idea and then put it into action, we draw from one of God's spheres of thought.

Very important: such spheres of thought (henceforth abbreviated to SOT) can have all the gamut of vibrations, from highly spiritual, to neutral, to demonic. This is the way God created the universe. Light and darkness, a metaphysical necessity, otherwise, as we are told, the creation would not be possible.

To be continued later....

[Jitendra Hydonus]

So far I am listening to your view of what the Brother had to say. I find it interesting that you correlate his SOT (sphere of thought) with Plato’s view of an ideal world and his philosophy. I apologize if I haven’t responded to what you have said. I do not see any specific question so it sounds like you are mulling this over in your own mind, while at the same time helping us in your thoughts. My thought is that his lecture was quite informative in attempting to understand how different thought forms affect world views and even personal opinions and views.

You may want to know, that while I heard Anandamoy speak many times at services and in person he was not one of the monks I really connected with as you did. I suppose I could attempt to explain why but really don’t know that it is important. The point is that many people did and sometimes I was quite immersed in his anecdotes, especially since he had so many encounters with the Master. I remember once going to the Pasadena (it is now Glendale) temple and walking across a large empty room and he was sitting in a chair alone, next to the wall, at a distance from me. He kept staring at me as I crossed the room. I had come to hear what I thought would be another Brother (Sarvananda) that morning but instead Brother Anandamoy was speaking. Did he pick up on my thought? Possibly. Yet I determined that I was going to listen to him speak so went to the sanctuary and meditated before the service. I suppose anyone should feel good about being noticed although at times we may wonder; Why? It is strange but even today I can remember him staring at me. I always wondered about that encounter. As most people, I’ve at times had people that were part of my life take a long stare at me. I have often wondered what it meant and why they did it, and their thoughts at the time. Quite often I’ve thought of such encounters as a type of standoff, between two different ways of ‘seeing’ things.

[mccoy]

Yes, sorry, I'm pondering and also putting some order in my thoughts about this model, trying to come up with a clear and reasonable conceptual framework. There is really not too much previous material to elaborate. Unless perhaps we read Plato?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Yes, sorry, I'm pondering and also putting some order in my thoughts about this model, trying to come up with a clear and reasonable conceptual framework. There is really not too much previous material to elaborate. Unless perhaps we read Plato?

Plato was the first person to really introduce the ideas of the psyche. In his early works, this is also translated as “the soul.” The philosopher believed three things about the psyche:

“The rational soul seeks the truth through logic, facts, and reason.

The spirited soul uses emotions to make decisions and take action.

The appetitive soul covers physiological needs, like food and sex.”

https://practicalpie.com/consciousness/

While Plato’s views seem to be able to explain some of Anandamoy ‘s  views in this lecture…we have another descriptive approach in the term ‘stream of consciousness’ or stream of thought…

What Is Stream of Thought?

The “stream of thought,” also known as the “stream of consciousness,” refers to the constant movement and appearance of thoughts in the conscious mind. William James is said to be the first psychologist to use the term. “Consciousness” refers to the awareness of what is happening in and around us.

One distinction between the Buddhist mind-stream and James’ stream of consciousness is that the mind-stream travels from one life to another. Buddhists believe in reincarnation, or the existence after one’s death.

Another concept within Buddhism proves to be useful today, especially as it makes a comeback in self-help books and fitness studios. Through mindfulness, Buddhists believe that one could better understand their mind-stream and become more knowledgeable. While today’s experts rarely connect mindfulness to reincarnation, many agree that mindfulness has its benefits. Mindfulness meditation, for example, can help to lower stress, boost your mind, and increase focus. When it comes to stream of consciousness, mindfulness can help you “slow down” the stream or make it more clear. As you become more mindful, you will be able to identify your feelings as they arise, “navigate” the stream, and even change its direction more efficiently.

https://practicalpie.com/stream-of-thought/

[mccoy]

I didn't realize there is some definition of sphere of thought in the web!

[mccoy]

The rumination goes on.

The causal world, the world of ideas or thoughts, of conceptual frameworks, is the blueprint of the material world we know.

By tuning into any specific sphere of thought we would be able to understand how God designed the architecture of that specific issue.

For example, today's there is ample speaking about longevity and how, if possible lengthen human life or even reverse aging. This is a hypercomplex issue. Nobody understands it yet. Soeme people have started to grasp some small parts of this sphere of thought, some underlying mechanisms. The whole framework is still eluding every bright scientist and Noble prizes. Whosoever would be able to fully tune into this sphere of thought, would have discovered the secret of longevity. I doubt that God will bestow this knowledge to anyone soon.

Infinite wisdom and understanding can be achieved by tuning into a specific sphere of thought with all its subtleties. But I firmly believe that human brain in its present state of evolution is not able to do that. Maybe only higher intelligences in the astral and causal worlds are able to. We must be happy if we understand small parts of some vast sphere of thought.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

The rumination goes on.

The causal world, the world of ideas or thoughts, of conceptual frameworks, is the blueprint of the material world we know.

By tuning into any specific sphere of thought we would be able to understand how God designed the architecture of that specific issue.


Infinite wisdom and understanding can be achieved by tuning into a specific sphere of thought with all its subtleties. But I firmly believe that human brain in its present state of evolution is not able to do that. Maybe only higher intelligences in the astral and causal worlds are able to. We must be happy if we understand small parts of some vast sphere of thought.

While listening to many lectures of Yogananda’s monastics I often heard these terms used in a conceptual basis of understanding the make up of a human being and since we are talking about ‘spheres of thought’ and the topic keeps coming up here, I thought I would mention some of these spheres of thought. I specifically remember Ananadamoy speaking about certain features of thought in other lectures. Although in this video mccoy presented here, there was much more entertainment. One would have to consider the fact that Brother knew he would be being filmed and presented on a public platform that may record him for hundreds of years to come. And though his sermons for a smaller audience did not have so much ‘entertainment’ people did come to see him just to hear his anecdotes and testimonies of his experiences with Paramahansa Yogananda.

Now some of the causal realm ideas I heard Brother and other monks speak of in other sermons/lectures For  instance below is listed the three body types and the traits of them or;  Prakrita

Prakriti: Constitutional Traits that create body types.

Each of us has a unique combination of vata, pitta, and kapha that make us unique in the way we develop and in the way we interact with the world around us.

And in the SRF lessons these qualities are elements are mentioned and they are found to different degrees in the doshas ( see links below.)

There are five elements in Ayurveda: ether, air, fire, water, and earth. Rather than being chemical elements, these are better understood as conceptual representations of universal forces or ideas. Each element and their fundamental qualities* are described simply below:
Ether - the concept of empty space (Qualities: subtle, light, unstable)
Air - the concept of movement (Qualities: mobile, dry, light)
Fire - the concept of transformation and illumination (Qualities: hot, light, sharp)
Water - the concept of cohesion (Qualities: moist, flowing, heavy)
Earth - the concept of solidity and stability (Qualities: stable, heavy, dense)

https://www.intrepidayurveda.com/post/doshaguide

https://simplehinduism.com/chapter-14-the-three-modes/

I also recall Brother speaking about A jīvanmukta, literally meaning 'liberated while living',[1] is a person who, in the Vedānta philosophy, has gained complete self-knowledge and self-realisation and attained kaivalya (enlightenment) or moksha (liberation), thus is liberated while living and not yet died.[2][3] The state is the aim of moksha in Vedānta, Yoga and other schools of Hinduism, and it is referred to as jīvanmukti.[4][5][6]
Jīvanmuktas are also called ātma-jnāni (self-realized) because they are knowers of their true self (ātman) and the universal self, hence also called Brahma-jñāni. At the end of their lives, jīvanmuktas destroy remaining karmas and attain parāmukti (final liberation) and become parāmukta. When a jīvanmukta gives his insight to others and teaches them about his/her realisation of the true nature of the ultimate reality (Brahman) and self (Atman), taking the role of a guru to show the path of Moksha to others.

Some of the above was taken from; Wikipedia

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, please put up with my summary of this conceptual model mentioned by bro. Anandamoy (After Sri Yuksteswar's remark reported in the AOY).

God created the cosmos, first in its causal layer. The causal universe. Plato's world of ideas. The essence of creation was merely concepts, thoughts, and ideas. From such a conceptual universe, the energy and matter universes condensed.

So, the primordial creative act of God created ideas, thoughts, which are universally, not individually rooted.

Whenever we believe some thought has originated from our brain, we are wrong. Such a thought already existed in creation.

I believe this is the strongest causal idea that I resonate with and it motivated me to practice Kriya yoga.

Plato’s view and idea of the transmigration of the soul.

Plato. The importance of transmigration in European thought is due in no small measure to plato's concern with the doctrine. He became interested in it after his first journey to western Greece (Long, 69–73), and described it in a number of striking passages (Meno, 81A–D: Phaedo, 70A–73B, 80A–84b; Rep. 10.614B–end; Phaedrus, 245C–256E; Tim. 41D–42E). These passages are fundamentally consistent, although there are variations of detail among them; the details are usually similar to or identical with those found in Herodotus, Pindar, and Empedocles (Long, 85). The purport of these passages is as follows: Human souls were originally created by the Demiurge out of Existence, Sameness, and Difference, and placed each upon a separate star, from which they were shown the nature of the universe and the laws of destiny. All of them are, at various times, incarnated as humans. They die, are judged, experience punishments or rewards for their deeds in life, and after 1,000 years are again incarnated. They choose their own new bodies, and this choice is of crucial importance; but it is governed partly by the necessities of their own nature. A soul that has kept itself free from bodily taint for three lives is released completely from the cycle of births; most souls must live ten earthly lives—spread over 10,000 years— and then they rise again to the region of the gods and a vision of Truth. According to the Phaedo (81E–82B), incarnation is possible into animals, birds, or even insects, but some Neoplatonists insisted that Plato was here speaking allegorically. Since the concept of orthodoxy scarcely existed in Greek religion, Plato or any other philosopher was free to borrow details of any doctrine from various sources, combining them to produce the sort of synthesis he wished. Plato gave us a doctrine of transmigration that is constructed to emphasize in particular the divine source and nature of the soul and that encourages righteousness to the end that the soul may return to its proper divine status.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

The rumination goes on.

The causal world, the world of ideas or thoughts, of conceptual frameworks, is the blueprint of the material world we know.

By tuning into any specific sphere of thought we would be able to understand how God designed the architecture of that specific issue.

Hebrews 11:3 in the Bible states, "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". This verse means that the world was created by God's word, and what is seen was created by something that cannot be seen…. from other dimensions like the causal realm of ideas.