Reptilian Nature

[Jitendra Hydonus]

It has come to me lately that nature favors more of the reptilian nature in us. Whereas when we have human consciousness we also have a spiritual awareness. Having animal bodies equipped with a spiritual consciousness that is beginning to awaken in us all makes life difficult as human beings. I know that I’ve been told that we can embrace our animal nature, yet if we become too absorbed in that embrace we also loose our spiritual aspirations and experiences.

[guest587]

I look at it more like.... Consciousness is.

And these bodies and this planet are hosting consciousness.

While incarnate we are subject to rules or a program of sort that might be called natural law. There are deep subconscious drives in us, a rich lineage of evolutionary wisdom.

I believe in a higher power guidance system and we call it divine. I believe we are here to learn the intimate relation between the two.

I think it is also possible that man, as advanced as we are, is still somewhat living on a surface level and the understanding of natural law is not so common place. I have a feeling that if we really tried diving deep some might appear as magicians or psychics. For me that has come about in trying to recognize that no matter the modality it all comes from One source.

I shared a video here,
http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,7443.msg39896.html#msg39896

That ask if we see reality as it is- and states that evolution favors a measurable they call "fitness."

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I look at it more like.... Consciousness is.

And these bodies and this planet are hosting consciousness.

While incarnate we are subject to rules or a program of sort that might be called natural law. There are deep subconscious drives in us, a rich lineage of evolutionary wisdom.

I believe in a higher power guidance system and we call it divine. I believe we are here to learn the intimate relation between the two.

I think it is also possible that man, as advanced as we are, is still somewhat living on a surface level and the understanding of natural law is not so common place. I have a feeling that if we really tried diving deep some might appear as magicians or psychics. For me that has come about in trying to recognize that no matter the modality it all comes from One source.

I shared a video here,
http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,7443.msg39896.html#msg39896

That ask if we see reality as it is- and states that evolution favors a measurable they call "fitness."

Thanks for the response as you know I did respond to your link here at the portal. One important factor I see happening here is our choice of influences and explanations for different states of consciousness and the realities we encounter and experiences we have had.

The ‘rules’ or ‘natural laws’ you speak of are interpreted quite differently by all the various social conditions that surround us. For instance some people may have the notion of the ‘transmigration of the soul’. This happened during the early Christian years. It is a peculiar thing but that idea was accepted by most other religions until a group of so called religious authorities decided it was sacrilegious to have such views. So we  see that we have to recognize that the natural laws that many legislators and scientists believe to be true may not apply to a more spiritual understanding. With this recognition in mind we come to the awareness that many people may have quite a different perspective on the world around us then we ourselves.  And often the people around us may even persecute those who have a different perspective. I have even had ‘friends’ that laughed at me when I explained to them that the world we live in and accept as real to the senses is in fact a cosmic illusion created by a higher source. In my opinion we need to find a way to be able to interact with people who hold very different views of natural laws then we ourselves may experience.

In the response to your last entry Eric I find myself questioning my belief systems and making attempts to experience reality on a deeper level and in the process shedding belief systems I may have experienced as sometime true and replacing them with views that replicate my experiences. In this way ‘evolutionary wisdom’ becomes more of a guiding principle in my consciousness and not the misleading explanations that society and friends may give me.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Then, please delete it. If you are going to allow some politics and then deny people their voice over matters of opinion you find disagreeable(whether that means being offensive or not) it is hypocrisy. It was you who said no political discussions. I don't care to debate this new rule, only that you hold yourself to your own standards. Thank you for trying. 

Your view. I have my response to it but I do not find it as being helpful to you presently and so I grant your request.

[guest587]

Thanks Steve! Your accountability is well received!

I present to you, a boon! Not to be mistaken with a baboon! Ooogah ooa!

 

[guest587]

Sometimes our ego and our carnal desires want to take a relationship and turn it into a physically intimate one. A physical, intimate relationship should be reciprocated or well-received. If we find ourselves longing and the reality of our desire to be a one-sided fantasy we might turn away from the relationship altogether. Sometimes denial is met with frustration and immaturity. There is a misconception about, "the friend zone" that society and pornography support. That choosing to be friends with someone of the opposite sex without achieving sexual intercourse is somehow less manly or perceived as weak. This is immature and unrealistic. Friendship is the foundation and basis for a successful relationship, even intimate physical ones. Most of us know this- but in our loneliness and egocentric minds, and in our developing youth- there are forces outside of ourselves that reinforce the "reptilian nature."

A type of epiphany has also occurred to me.

We don't realize the rippling effect our actions stir within consciousness. Could nurturing a friendship be healing the planet, or even people or dynamics from another planet- or another dimension? Could choosing to keep to a friendship be creating a scenario in a future life, or even in the immediate life- for fun and passionate times? Certainly.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I appreciate your reflections and observations. I think most of us have some form of physical expression of emotion. It is very difficult and perhaps dangerous to deny our physical dimension of expression unless we have truly risen above all physical desires and experience divine bliss on a regular basis.

[guest587]

Thanks Steve. I hope to address your recent questions in other posts but need more time to research and provide you the material. Here we are just speaking plainly. I would agree with you, and think sex work could be legalized with proper restrictions or requirements.

But also to say, there are some things that may never be fulfilled... And we ask why that might be?
For example, you can pay for sex but will it fulfill the emotional longing and feeling like you are sharing with an equal interest?

I have not risen above physical temptation and oftentimes feel mad for obsessing over particular ideas. I do seek to liberate myself from these obsessions and hope to enjoy earthly pleasures. Is it possible?

And... HIK on friendship,
2) Relationship is nourished by contact, kingship is maintained by reciprocity, but friendship is developed with love. There is no relationship that can be compared with friendship, for it is in learning the law of friendship that one understands ethics and morals, and also the relation between man and God.

https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VII/VII_38.htm

Also, when you develop a friendship with someone "love" is more real than illusory... Often times people rushing into satisfying their desires find a reason to separate from their relationship.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Thanks Steve. I hope to address your recent questions in other posts but need more time to research and provide you the material. Here we are just speaking plainly. I would agree with you, and think sex work could be legalized with proper restrictions or requirements.

But also to say, there are some things that may never be fulfilled... And we ask why that might be?
For example, you can pay for sex but will it fulfill the emotional longing and feeling like you are sharing with an equal interest?

I have not risen above physical temptation and oftentimes feel mad for obsessing over particular ideas. I do seek to liberate myself from these obsessions and hope to enjoy earthly pleasures. Is it possible?

And... HIK on friendship,
2) Relationship is nourished by contact, kingship is maintained by reciprocity, but friendship is developed with love. There is no relationship that can be compared with friendship, for it is in learning the law of friendship that one understands ethics and morals, and also the relation between man and God.

https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VII/VII_38.htm

Also, when you develop a friendship with someone "love" is more real than illusory... Often times people rushing into satisfying their desires find a reason to separate from their relationship.

Not sure how you digressed to the topic of ‘sex-work’. Can you quote where it was brought up before? I made no comment about it. We were talking about sex as an expression in relationships.

This was my last entry….

I appreciate your reflections and observations. I think most of us have some form of physical expression of emotion. It is very difficult and perhaps dangerous to deny our physical dimension of expression unless we have truly risen above all physical desires and experience divine bliss on a regular basis.

And this is the topic;

It has come to me lately that nature favors more of the reptilian nature in us. Whereas when we have human consciousness we also have a spiritual awareness. Having animal bodies equipped with a spiritual consciousness that is beginning to awaken in us all makes life difficult as human beings. I know that I’ve been told that we can embrace our animal nature, yet if we become too absorbed in that embrace we also loose our spiritual aspirations and experiences.

As you see there is nothing to agree about because I have made no comments about sex-work. It is not the topic we are discussing.

Thanks Steve. Here we are just speaking plainly. I would agree with you, and think sex work could be legalized with proper restrictions or requirements.

?? I have no opinion to offer you. It is a different topic. Not part of my original intention for discussing.

[guest587]

You mentioned the dangers of denying physical expression. It's just an example that goes on to say that some urges may never be satisfied in this life- asking a greater question, what then?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

You mentioned the dangers of denying physical expression. It's just an example that goes on to say that some urges may never be satisfied in this life- asking a greater question, what then?

Ok Eric but you are not making an agreement of anything that I said about sex-work. Your example is quite different than physical expression among friends….which we have been discussing.

[guest587]

Steve,

I am agreeing with you when you say that it can be dangerous to deny physical expression.

In my previous post I talked about carnal desires interfering with relationships and friendships.

You said nothing about sex work. I used it as an example saying there are ways to satisfy repressed urges but even then there are greater desires that might go unfulfilled.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve,

I am agreeing with you when you say that it can be dangerous to deny physical expression.

In my previous post I talked about carnal desires interfering with relationships and friendships.

You said nothing about sex work. I used it as an example saying there are ways to satisfy repressed urges but even then there are greater desires that might go unfulfilled.

The challenge with desire is this; Once the genie is let out of the bottle it is not satisfied with an inch and next wants to take a mile. It’s like corralling a wild horse. I suppose that’s why we have the convention of marriage. In many ways that has even proven ineffective. That is why we practice yoga; to gain some control.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Paramahansa Yogananda always recommended the practice of balance in life’s many facets… while simultaneously keeping to a spiritual routine that expands our consciousness and keeps us safe from the many distractions in our environment and personal desires.

It is one thing to have a belief or an idea in life. And it is quite another to experience that belief with all of its expression in life’s circumstances. Isn’t that what we are attempting here; to give life to our faith and beliefs?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Every man may find a way through Kriya to understand his proper relation with nature, and to feel spiritual reverence for all phenomena, whether mystical or of everyday occurrence, in spite of the matter-of-factness of physical science.21 We must bear in mind that what was mystical a thousand years ago is no longer so, and what is mysterious now may become lawfully intelligible a hundred years hence. P.Y.