Are politics a spiritual matter?

[weboflife]

Web;

I’m not much of a moralist but I do know that putting yourself in the position of a sexual frenzy can make it very difficult to still the body. Practicing Kriya actually numbs the body as the energies are brought into the spine. I’m not sure how Solomon satisfied all his wives and concubines or if his story is just that; a story. I know it is important in the spiritual life to calm the body and not always put it in a state of frenetic activity.

In the Ramayana, Rama's father, King Dasharatha also had many wives, 350 if I remember right, and that story comes from way before Solomon I believe. For most of us 'mere mortals', moderation is the very least needed for higher spiritual states, but so is being faithful to only one and neither are easy for many coming out of an age of 'over-indulgence.' I think for Solomon and for Dasharatha, they had already attained a high level of advancement so maybe it's a matter of 'horses for courses'?

[mccoy]

I think for Solomon and for Dasharatha, they had already attained a high level of advancement so maybe it's a matter of 'horses for courses'?

It may be just that, they had to live the life of great kings in the Kali Yuga,

Or, it may be that the recounts are metaphorical exaggerations. Probably, the number of wives represented great material wealth and power.

[mccoy]

Steve, at this point I must say that, and I find this is the right thread.

Are politics a spiritual matter? NO

Are we entitled to discuss politics as spiritual aspirants? YES, since it is part of the cosmic movie made to entertain us.

Now, Steve, a question which is meant for your own good and the good of this portal. This is a spiritual portal. You have been writing hundreds, or perhaps thousands of posts on a person that you have repeatedly affirmed is not spiritual at all, is a dishonest, Egomaniac, convicted felon, similar to Hitler: Mr Trump. I remember it well, you have been complaining about him and his unspiritual qualities for 8 years, continuously, since the beginning of his first mandate.

The logic would suggest that in this 'spiritual portal' we should not focus too much on such unspiritual people.

Maybe we should try and see the good in such unspiritual people, hoping that the grace of God will uplift them and enlighten them for the good of the whole world.

Slinging our harsh judgments towards political leaders without a pause is maybe more suited to political portals, of which I believe there are many kinds around, for al tastes and political orietations.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

In all respects of your views mccoy I have never used any defamity
against the man but only have watched the movies as you have and observed the villain and the saints running in the reels.

I have thought they were always entertaining to you. Let us not forget that Master loved to watch cowboy and Indian shows and brought some of his nuns and monks with him but they too didn’t enjoy the shows.

No doubt some people felt Jesus made harsh judgments as well when the money changers turned his house into a dungeon of thieves. Would we say he was somewhat obsessed about them by overturning the tables and driving them out? After all they were in a ‘spiritual’ temple! I really see no complaints just observing the show and chuckling along at what a fool the Don has made all his followers into.

We can look at it from a different angle; that is since you have been defending so vehemently perhaps you have a compulsion to do so that has become an obsession. I am not here to judge but only to observe. And I’m sure that Lincoln seemed obsessed about freeing the slaves as I also have strong convictions to free the economic slaves that for instance Trump and Musk have deligently worked towards having a dream come true for them.

[mccoy]

In all respects of your views mccoy I have never used any defamity
against the man but only have watched the movies as you have and observed the villain and the saints running in the reels.

I have thought they were always entertaining to you. Let us not forget that Master loved to watch cowboy and Indian shows and brought some of his nuns and monks with him but they too didn’t enjoy the shows.

No doubt some people felt Jesus made harsh judgments as well when the money changers turned his house into a dungeon of thieves. Would we say he was somewhat obsessed about them by overturning the tables and driving them out? After all they were in a ‘spiritual’ temple! I really see no complaints just observing the show and chuckling along at what a fool the Don has made all his followers into.

We can look at it from a different angle; that is since you have been defending so vehemently perhaps you have a compulsion to do so that has become an obsession. I am not here to judge but only to observe. And I’m sure that Lincoln seemed obsessed about freeing the slaves as I also have strong convictions to free the economic slaves that for instance Trump and Musk have deligently worked towards having a dream come true for them.

Steve, I appreciate your arguments, but perhaps we can obsess about movie characters as well. I may hate a villainous character in the last film I saw (or netflix series), but sure my mind won't return back and back again to such a character. Otherwise, maybe it starts being an obsession proper. Did Yogananda obsess about the evil Indians he saw in the old Wild West films? I doubt it, at least, if he did obsess, he didn't show it. Did he obsess about characters in the cosmic movie? I do not remember about it.

Your observation about Jesus can be construed as the fact that you believe you have a God-ordained mission, that of unmasking this evil political character. I do not object to your mission, but a more pertinent place to carry out such a crusade would probably be a political forum, not a spiritual portal.

Steve, politics is one of those sensitive matters that are best avoided in a forum that is not specifically devoted to politics. It is strongly divisive. Everyone believes he or she is adhering to the right sphere of thought. Which is impossible. It's a pitfall, a trap built by Satan.

For now I'm choosing not to open any threads where I see 'Trump' or anything that alludes to politics. Not interested any longer. Not wanting to look like I have an obsession myself, maybe you are right and if so this is the time to nip this mental tendency in the bud.

However, if this almost endless repetition about this unspiritual, uninspiring political character goes on, I may be tempted to take a temporary leave of absence from the forum, maybe...

[Jitendra Hydonus]

In all respects of your views mccoy I have never used any defamity
against the man but only have watched the movies as you have and observed the villain and the saints running in the reels.

I have thought they were always entertaining to you. Let us not forget that Master loved to watch cowboy and Indian shows and brought some of his nuns and monks with him but they too didn’t enjoy the shows.

No doubt some people felt Jesus made harsh judgments as well when the money changers turned his house into a dungeon of thieves. Would we say he was somewhat obsessed about them by overturning the tables and driving them out? After all they were in a ‘spiritual’ temple! I really see no complaints just observing the show and chuckling along at what a fool the Don has made all his followers into.

We can look at it from a different angle; that is since you have been defending so vehemently perhaps you have a compulsion to do so that has become an obsession. I am not here to judge but only to observe. And I’m sure that Lincoln seemed obsessed about freeing the slaves as I also have strong convictions to free the economic slaves that for instance Trump and Musk have deligently worked towards having a dream come true for them.

Steve, I appreciate your arguments, but perhaps we can obsess about movie characters as well. I may hate a villainous character in the last film I saw (or netflix series), but sure my mind won't return back and back again to such a character. Otherwise, maybe it starts being an obsession proper. Did Yogananda obsess about the evil Indians he saw in the old Wild West films? I doubt it, at least, if he did obsess, he didn't show it. Did he obsess about characters in the cosmic movie? I do not remember about it.

Your observation about Jesus can be construed as the fact that you believe you have a God-ordained mission, that of unmasking this evil political character. I do not object to your mission, but a more pertinent place to carry out such a crusade would probably be a political forum, not a spiritual portal.

Steve, politics is one of those sensitive matters that are best avoided in a forum that is not specifically devoted to politics. It is strongly divisive. Everyone believes he or she is adhering to the right sphere of thought. Which is impossible. It's a pitfall, a trap built by Satan.

For now I'm choosing not to open any threads where I see 'Trump' or anything that alludes to politics. Not interested any longer. Not wanting to look like I have an obsession myself, maybe you are right and if so this is the time to nip this mental tendency in the bud.

However, if this almost endless repetition about this unspiritual, uninspiring political character goes on, I may be tempted to take a temporary leave of absence from the forum, maybe...

In all do respect to you my dear friend you must do as you feel your values lead you. The cold heartedness of Donald Trump is so apparent in this man and always has been he holds no place in the heart of America and after seeing this if you still think he does then my well wishes are for you…
 
https://youtu.be/DYUwK6uwxWM?si=x3NkEESz4Ui39IEm

“We have the fate of dignity in our hands’

~Abraham Lincoln a man ‘obsessed’ with abolishment of slavery that help change the world.

https://youtu.be/1qjtugr2618?si=SOOZQP8ZgPPpld_0

I see interest in a wide variety of subjects on this site. At times in history people devote their lives to the cause of freedom, decency and the pursuit of happiness. Meditation and the search for spiritual awakening are the main procedures for such goals. Many individuals however have lived their lifetime that have devoted their lives to the pursuit of happiness and have persistently sought to be an instrumentality of such goals for the happiness of others as well. When we have this happening, it at times works out in the political sphere as well. And people dedicate their whole lives to this process. They may or may not express it as a spiritual journey. However their lives reflect it in their life’s actions. We can see this in the life of Alexia Navalny, Jesus Christ, Amma, Kara-Murza, Abraham Lincoln and many others whom sacrificed their life in the name of justice and yes an obsession with a goal of making the lives of others more happy. You may say that their life’s purpose was not spiritual but rather political. I simply say they were unselfish and lived a spiritual life whether you want to say they we’re obsessed with for instance; stopping the injustice of Putin or the political injustice of the Sanhedrin during the time of Christ.

Nobody is censoring anyone one else here. I’ve let people post what they want as long as it is with decency and doesn’t belittle other members and express anger towards other members. We are all entitled to make our own decisions and evaluations of other people’s behavior as long as it is not belittling their character. I believe that I have been courteous and respectful to others here at the portal. If someone feels I have not; Please let me know and we will attempt to discuss it as spiritual beings.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

“Your observation about Jesus can be construed as the fact that you believe you have a God-ordained mission, that of unmasking this evil political character. I do not object to your mission, but a more pertinent place to carry out such a crusade would probably be a political forum, not a spiritual portal.

-mccoy “

I believe the most important mission we have as spiritual seekers is to change ourselves. However friends have told me instead of running away from the problems of your country.. attempt to change them. As you know Krishna did not console Arjuna to join a political rally but rather to fight injustice. And Jesus openly confronted his own spiritual community. He did not engage in open dialogue and debate.

I see the problems today are not being answered by our current president and his selected appointees. The solutions they are giving to current problems are not promising. We have already seen the tax breaks for the wealthy in place before and the so called ‘trickle down theory’ never happened the trickle valve was essentially turned off. We have seen the results of more fracking and oil drilling in the damages to wild life and and our natural environment. There is time we can longer look to the past to solve todays problems. That will not happen with todays leaders. Who will speak for our Mother Earth? Who will speak for the impoverished multitude?

[mccoy]

Nobody is censoring anyone one else here. I’ve let people post what they want as long as it is with decency and doesn’t belittle other members and express anger towards other members. We are all entitled to make our own decisions and evaluations of other people’s behavior as long as it is not belittling their character. I believe that I have been courteous and respectful to others here at the portal. If someone feels I have not; Please let me know and we will attempt to discuss it as spiritual beings.

This is surely not the issue, the issue in my opinion is going overboard with a single subject. And I strongly doubt that complaining about the POTUS in this forum will change a minuscule thing in 'real life'.
Sorry if I sound like I'm criticizing your dharma, but again, this is hardly the place to be a political activist.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

You are always welcome to your opinions friend. At one time not so long ago we had up to 58,000 guests on here so it wasn’t as if we had no influence. But big business along with Donald Trump and his billionaire friends stepped on us recently.

I know there are people here who feel we have gone overboard on some subjects. But there are other people who’ve been members here that left because there was too much emphasis on spiritual growth and development. An important member left because of ‘Trumpster fans’. At one time the site was called Music and Meditation then it evolved to Soul Searching forum. Finally it’s name is now spiritualportal and I remember a member leaving when the sites name was changed and who kept trying to convince me the name change was a bad choice. You can’t please everyone dear Brother mccoy.

[mccoy]

Steve, I think I can agree that this is a game, and commenting the cosmic movie is fun.

So, I'm going to take some liberties here, and please remember that this is a game and I'm just having fun, even as you are having fun constantly hammering Mr. Trump and his cohort of friends.

But Steve, buddy, 58000 guests! Are you being serious? Do you really believe those numbers are physical guests? If so, I have the obligation to warn you that that's a serious illusion, that's a wrong sphere of thought to believe that this is a popular forum. This forum is even very hard to find by search engines.

No way, dewey, LOL, 58000 guests, Steve, if serious, let's pray: deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, I think I can agree that this is a game, and commenting the cosmic movie is fun.

So, I'm going to take some liberties here, and please remember that this is a game and I'm just having fun, even as you are having fun constantly hammering Mr. Trump and his cohort of friends.

But Steve, buddy, 58000 guests! Are you being serious? Do you really believe those numbers are physical guests? If so, I have the obligation to warn you that that's a serious illusion, that's a wrong sphere of thought to believe that this is a popular forum. This forum is even very hard to find by search engines.

No way, dewey, LOL, 58000 guests, Steve, if serious, let's pray: deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....deliver us from illusion....

For your games play… yes I said up to 58,000 take a look 👀… I can’t put that number there! I’m merely saying that we had thousands of guests a day at one time not long ago. And I’ve been around long enough to watch that number increase by the month and year since this site was created. So no I do not think are spiritual messages are futile. And even if we keep below 10  guests because of big business and our current government oligarchy we still have an important message to spread. It’s good to have humility but it’s bad to continually underestimate our worth and influence on others and as messengers of light. One light can bring light to a dark place.

Have faith, have faith, deliver us from skepticism, deliver from doubt all obstacles can be overcome and grace is with us always! Let not the darkness of maya cloud our souls destiny and ultimate fate!
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