Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding

[mccoy]

Today PM mr. Netanyahu gave a speech to the country. The gist, AFAIK, is: war to Hamas.

So, the cosmic drama is unfolding. I choose to be a spectator of the cosmic drama and see the events as a spectator. My personal involvement if there si some is delusional, since this is but a cosmic drama. But we all know that when we see a film we sometimes become engrossed.

I also choose to be a critic spectator. To comment and analyze the plot. This is one episode of a series. It may be the last one though. My comments:

1- The film started with a horrific assault on Israeli civilians by the military wing of Hamas, the party which is ruling the strip of Gaza.
2- Hamas is evidently one of the villains. The main villain I would say. The interpretation of this film by the Harvard students or by some radical leftists or by the Palestinians and other Muslims scattered around the world is that Hamas is the hero. LOL, the cosmic drama is open to opposing interpretations. the truth though is that Hamas is ruling Gaza even as hitler was ruling Germany or Stalin the Soviet Union, a rigid, inexorable dictatorship.
3- After about 20 days of aerial bombings on places in Gaza where the enemy is believed to have bases, Israel has decided: the ground war is going to begin.
4- Has Israel fallen into the trap of the enemy? They are venturing into an urban warfare they do not know how to fight. They are venturing into enemy territory with dozens of miles of tunnels and underground facilities. A nightmare for whatever army.
5- What is Iran going to do? Iran was strongly against the Abraham accords, the peace negotiations between the arab world and Israel. Iran has financed Hamas and rules the Hezbollah troops in Lebanon.
6- America, although trying to deter Israel from action, has sent a carrier to contain possible reactions from Iran and Syria. It is also sending the Eisenhower to the Persian Gulf.
7- The western world is pretty unanimous in supporting the right of Israel to defend itself. Some political parties and activists are strongly against this.

As a spectator, I would like to see the villain eliminated, but many surprises can occur. Israel is no hero, but I agree that in the plot it must react and try to eliminate this devilish neighbour. There are odds that it is falling into a trap, a nasty one at that.

Uwe, I am just commenting a film, whose producer and director is God himself. Tomorrow anything can happen in the plot. God is the best director!.

 

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I want to add a very important detail of the film you must have been sleeping in friend. That is the imposition and take over of Palestine by Israel, and their homestead. If you choose to leave out important film clips, that is your choice but not everyone wants to see just the movie you present with occasional significant deletions.

[mccoy]

I want to add a very important detail of the film you must have been sleeping in friend. That is the imposition and take over of Palestine by Israel, and their homestead. If you choose to leave out important film clips, that is your choice but not everyone wants to see just the movie you present with occasional significant deletions.

LOl, my brother, I think I was wide awake but that was another episode. In the other episode, Israel was the villain at first, then a spiral of revenge took place. The villain was alternatively Israel and Palestine, or better, their intransigent, extremist wings = terrorists.

I would like to restrict the comments to the present installment since the situation coming to this has been clearly the fault of both parties.

I would welcome the comments to all past episodes, but then it would become sooooo long! So many atrocities from both sides. I can recommend you a very good podcast on that though. Hours of podcast from an unbiased source, very interesting.

My further comment is this. let's say your father killed a member of my family in the past. After some time, I choose to kill and torture you to right the wrong. Am I justified in doing this? Probably not, according to all western laws and religions and philosophies. Surely, according to Hindu philosophy, I would go straight to the astral hells and reap very bad karma.

I can understand how deranged people can become in the situation the Palestinians are. Does this justify to murder other innocent people, civilians on top of that? No, I would say, No, Yogananda and all the Gurus would say.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

The cosmic drama unfolding.

God sent perfect souls forth to behave like immortals- - desireless, and happy- - while watching and acting in the moving pictures of earthly life. But, through proximity and ignorant behavior while performing in and watching the intricate dramas of earthly life, souls develop egoistic attachments to other actors and to certain scenes and conditions in the mundane moving pictures. Unless these desires are cast off before death, the soul must return to another body in the same earthly moving picture house in order to work out the desires born there.

Immortal soul-children are sent to the movie house of life, both tragedies and comedies with unruffled equanimity. When these divine children can go back to God and say: “Father i enjoyed acting in and watching Thine earthly moving pictures, but I have no more desire for evanescent amusements,” they are no longer forced by their material desires to come back to Earth.

~ Paramahansa Yogananda SRF lesson 133

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Yeah. So where is my popcorn?!

Sorry we burnt it accidentally. Pop a batch; I heard this is a long movie. Please light on the salt and heavy on the diet butter.

[guest587]

I agree with the mans reply in that link you shared, that we are supporting genocide. We were also told to shut up while the Uyghurs were suffering genocide at the hands of the Chinese government. That Netanyahu is calling for a blood bath, and quoting the bible as reference to prophecy- rejecting ceasefire, made me realize how little faith I put in the bible. I favor the mystics who say nature is the real bible. And I have always felt that God teaches us personally, so we are not made dependent on what is written by man. Because, as we can see, what is written by man can be used to justify personal vendettas and prolong suffering. The true spirit is not bound to the bible. If anything I can't help but think holy text are written with an element of corruption. And people are feeling spiritually obligated to their sacred text, even if that means blindly following darkness. Unfortunately. For this reason I will always favor the inner-seeking and intuitive living. It's about the personal relationship with God, which is unique as it is universal.

I do not support Israel's killing spree, I do not support War- period. No side is the "good guy." Both sides have their reasoning, both reject peace and both are killing civilians and livestock.
There is nothing new about what is happening, and nothing new about the hyper-politicizing, hyper-polarization baiting the world into taking sides participating in ways that mean encroaching on everyone's sovereignty- all that is happening now is a tragedy and is intentionally inciteful so as to force participation moving humanity closer to the goal post set by the would-be players looking to maintain or erect a sense of authority in the new age.

...I wonder if we'll be entering martial law?

I also wonder why some genocides are okay, while others aren't. No genocide is okay. But the people who believe that are not the people in power, not the people funding what's happening. Some genocides never make the news, do not get the same attention, and some genocides are looked at with contempt. I think it's fair to say the powers that be do not represent the will of the people. I also think taking sides like, "Russia is evil- Zelensky is a hero!" "Israel is the holy land! Palestine needs to surrender and all of this would stop!" It's so one-dimensional... I am really impressed by the Jewish people coming together and saying free Palestine. That is a noble, human quality worthy of discussion. That they are being arrested for protesting war shows the contrast between the will of the people and the authoritarian reality we find ourselves in. The powers that be, do not care for peace- do not care for human life.

I am noticing it is often the outspoken, often moral boasting "leaders" who are the biggest offenders, committing crimes against humanity. They say what they are doing is right, and if there is any opposition... Well, the opposition is wrong. It's the same thing, over and over again... and there is almost always an ulterior motif. We the people, are continually lied to. And there is no delight taken in the killing or raping of innocence. I do not enjoy this, "film" you guys. This is heartbreaking. And slavery still exist today.

[mccoy]

I like the plot of this film. There is a villain, Hamas, who erupts in extremely cruel killing sprees. The villain uses homes and hospitals where its own people dwell and is cured, as military bases, so they think They'll deter the enemy from hitting. Also, from luxury hotels in Quatar, the leaders of this movement incite their people, the civilians,  to shed their own blood for the cause.

This absurd villainous character has an incredible talent for propaganda. He manages to have followers who will protest in the streets and will do sit-ins and get arrested because they would like that Israel would stop the hits and let the villains unscathed, free to plot their next killing spree, where boys, girls, and children can be massacred at will.

They just declared the Italian government an enemy, at the same time that the Italian government is sending a convoy of humanitarian aids to their people.

Guys, if this was a series on Netflix, I would believe it to be the worst grotesque absurdity ever conceived.

Instead, I'm discovering that God's drama can go to the next level of absurdity.

I don't eat popcorn while watching but maybe I'm going to start right now. No salt, like Steve suggests, and rigorously vegan butter.

[guest587]

Is it possible to theorize what's happening with Israel and Palestine, from a spiritual perspective, using the following excerpts:

Some say, 'I have loved dearly once, but I was disappointed.' It is as if a man were to say, 'I dug in the earth, but when the mud came, I was disappointed.' It is true that mud came; but with patience, he will reach the water one day. Only patience can endure. Only endurance produces greatness.

   from  https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/X/X_6.htm


What, generally, man knows about love is the give and take:' if you give me twelve pence, I will give you a shilling.' For as long as one sees life in the form of business, in the form of give and take, he does not know love, and it is a great pity, when, after knowing something of love, the heart has turned cold and bitter. And what reason is there? The reason is this, that when one digs the ground one must dig until the water comes. But if one digs halfway, then there is no water, there is mud. But what is love? Love is a continual sacrifice. And what does sacrifice mean? Sacrifice means forgetting of the self.

   ~~~ "Religious Gathekas, #43, The Religion of the Heart", by Hazrat Inayat Khan (unpublished)

Retribution stems from ideas of satisfying the self. It's the give and take attitude described above.

At the same time, there is nothing *wrong* with putting your own nation and your nations people first. Or is there? It's a tricky predicament.

One the one hand, you have truly nefarious characters leading sheep into slaughter under the illusion of beneficence... Clear examples- medical tyranny, embracing mental illness, placing people in positions of power in the name of equity, not because their skill set is there. Even using global warming as a front for further tyrannical dictates.

On the other hand, you have ignorant leaders who think putting their nation above others means getting ahead, not realizing that the suffering felt around the world belongs to one being and is the cause of much hatred and violence.

Both seem to end in slavery- one is just more sophisticated than the other. It's like having kind rulers but rulers nonetheless who see people as chattel and are not afraid to cull the herd while maintaining a luxurious life themselves. Both keep a caste system and disparity alive.

What does Palestine want, for this to have started?

What does Israel want, for this to have started?

How can we minimize conflict, and recognize the rights of Gods people as belonging to all life on this planet?

[mccoy]

Yes, nobody is talking about reconciliation. Hamas was right in cruelly murdering Israels because Israel previously murdered Palestinians, and this because of a previous massacre by Palestinians, occurred after a massacre by Israelis. In this context, Israel is right in taking retribution trying to obliterate the enemy.

[mccoy]

Alongside with this article, I already posted in another thread.

I guess we've run out of popcorn all together?! 

Uwe, I couldn't find the other thread, so my comments here.

Mr. Turk, lawyer in human rights for more than three decades.....

I can understand his anguish but, really, my analytical mind cannot but classify him as politically very biased or personally extremely naive.

He seems to ignore (or deliberately chose to ignore?) many aspects like Hamas making shields of Palestinian children, The western society providing billions of dollars of humanitarian aids, derouted by Hamas to build up weapons and dig tunnels.

He compares the present military operation in Gaza to the genocide of the Tutsi, but if there is an attempted genocide here it is Hamas who is trying to do its best, emulating Hitler's ambitions.

He harshly criticizes the Israeli retaliation, calling it an attack, totally ignoring what caused this attack, maybe he didn't watch the news on the 7th of October?

My analytical self has decided that Mr. Turk should go back to the 1st grade and study history, regardless of his being a lawyer. I have decided that Mr. turk constitutes a weird, maybe grotesque character in the cosmic film.

Am I analyzing too much? Maybe. Perhaps I should relax and eat more popcorn. Or better peanuts and Almonds, hazelnuts, walnuts and so on...

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Mccoy I have difficulty following your last post . What thread are you looking for here? I understand your question but hope you recognize that unlike you i explicitly told you what thread I wanted to find when it pertained to your views. From what I ascertained, you did not describe what you are referring to here. I also am somewhat confused by your statement that perhaps some one didn’t read the news. Did someone else not read all the information we have provided here about the forced occupation and settlements in Gaza and Palestine by Israel that were also a historical fact? How is that included in your analysis of the so called facts and rendition of history (‘that someone chose to deliberately ignore’).

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Alongside with this article, I already posted in another thread.

I guess we've run out of popcorn all together?! 

Uwe, I couldn't find the other thread, so my comments here.

Mr. Turk, lawyer in human rights for more than three decades.....

I can understand his anguish but, really, my analytical mind cannot but classify him as politically very biased or personally extremely naive.

He seems to ignore (or deliberately chose to ignore?) many aspects like Hamas making shields of Palestinian children, The western society providing billions of dollars of humanitarian aids, derouted by Hamas to build up weapons and dig tunnels.

He compares the present military operation in Gaza to the genocide of the Tutsi, but if there is an attempted genocide here it is Hamas who is trying to do its best, emulating Hitler's ambitions.

He harshly criticizes the Israeli retaliation, calling it an attack, totally ignoring what caused this attack, maybe he didn't watch the news on the 7th of October?

My analytical self has decided that Mr. Turk should go back to the 1st grade and study history, regardless of his being a lawyer. I have decided that Mr. turk constitutes a weird, maybe grotesque character in the cosmic film.

Am I analyzing too much? Maybe. Perhaps I should relax and eat more popcorn. Or better peanuts and Almonds, hazelnuts, walnuts and so on...
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[Jitendra Hydonus]

Yes, nobody is talking about reconciliation. Hamas was right in cruelly murdering Israels because Israel previously murdered Palestinians, and this because of a previous massacre by Palestinians, occurred after a massacre by Israelis. In this context, Israel is right in taking retribution trying to obliterate the enemy.

Mccoy i see your point about a tit for a tat, however the reason for such retribution you offer does not add up to me. It ignores the fact that land was forcefully taken by Israel that was not theirs. If I came to Italy and plowed down your house and property and put up a subdivision for the poor how would you and your family react? Would you set up talks about reconciliation?

[mccoy]

Mccoy i see your point about a tit for a tat, however the reason for such retribution you offer does not add up to me. It ignores the fact that land was forcefully taken by Israel that was not theirs. If I came to Italy and plowed down your house and property and put up a subdivision for the poor how would you and your family react? Would you set up talks about reconciliation?

Steve, as spiritual individuals we should always prioritize reconciliation and forgiveness, not revenge. Reconciliation is not a novelty in history, for example  in India after the British occupation, after the bloody war in Liberia and more, there was goodwill from both sides.

To answer more directly to your question, spiritually speaking, what I would do in the place of Palestinians is to avoid all acts of terrorism, which are totally unacceptable always and especially so in this Dwapara age. I would support political groups which struggle for peace and reconciliation and for the assertion of human and civil rights. I would unceasingly make appeals to foreign countries against breach of rights. I would put myself at peace eventually, because if my karma is that of loosing my land and being confined into a smaller territory, I should accept it and avoid creating more karma which would end up in destruction and doom.

I studied the history of the Zionist take-up of Palestinian lands. It is sad. What was saddest, was that murder and killings soon erupted across the land. From both parties. This created an avalanche of bad karma which ended up in the present ruinous situation.

From the above historical standpoint, both parties are to be blamed for the present war. From the standpoint of very recent events, there has been clearly a party (Hamas) that wanted to create a new enlarged war against Israel, with the help of Iran, Hezbollah and the Sciite Muslims. So far they didn't succeed. The film is still unfolding though.

https://www.jns.org/hamas-leaders-feel-betrayed-by-iran-and-hezbollah/

[Jitendra Hydonus]

   Elon Musk told UK prime minister Rishi Sunak there “will come a point where no job is needed” as the billionaire entrepreneur described artificial intelligence as the “most disruptive force in history” in a wide-ranging conversation.


   Musk co-founded OpenAI in 2015 but left several years later over clashes over AI safety. He launched his own AI company, xAI, in July. The new company snapped up high-profile hires in the field, with a mission to “understand the true nature of the universe” and a focus on building machines with human-level intelligence, known as artificial general intelligence, or AGI

Mccoy and anyone interested; can you imagine why I would have included this information on this thread as a response?

Quoted from ‘Financial Times’

[guest587]

Despite this, "I was wronged so I must wrong you" attitude- someone or something still benefits. I can think of the military industrial complex for one. Investment companies and banks for another.

As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

~President Eisenhower

The five connecting narratives work to merge corporation and state in the new age, "blurring the line between elected and unelected decision making over the future of humanity."
https://sociable.co/technology/the-great-reset-the-great-narrative-programming-people-comply-unelected-globalist/

“A grand narrative functions to legitimize power, authority, and social customs” ~ Klaus Schwab