The Dark Ages of Vaccine Information

[guest587]

Vivek Ramaswamy was censored when answering a debate question. The question is whether this censorship was intentional... There is a fox reporter who says she was forced to resign because she could not question her sponsors- or risk exposing them. It makes you wonder if there's any validity to the thought that Big Pharma and MSM have partnerships that mean promoting each other in the name of financial gain. If it's true, certainly you would not be allowed to question the side effects of one of your biggest sponsors/donors.

Interestingly enough... The part that Vivek was cut off from had to do with him saying that vaccine manufactures *should* be held liable, and the first thing he'd do as president is repeal all the special interest in an effort to do without crony capitalism.

https://banned.video/watch?id=657766a21b7347401e2cdffa

Coincidentally, or not, this also just came out today"

https://banned.video/watch?id=65785a469d56bcbc21cb0e55 "Italian Health Minister Gave Orders To Conceal Vaccination Deaths – Now Under Investigation For Murder"

It seems we're still in the dark ages of vaccine misinformation.

[guest587]

"The FDA has recently been caught having knowledge at the time of vaccine rollout that the injections caused severe heart problems including myocarditis.

It seems that the more information that comes out, the more governments are willing to cover up vaccine data despite a constantly growing public outcry demanding answers.

There is little to no justice after nearly 4 years since lockdowns began. 3 years since injections were rolled out, causing mass death worldwide despite obvious foreknowledge of said injuries and deaths.

Now, we learn that not only are mask mandates returning in many places worldwide but vaccine mandates are still being enforced in Hollywood while Brazil forces infants to be injected or their families lose welfare"
https://banned.video/watch?id=6586191ed73929b3eeedf356

[mccoy]

Here in Italy there as so few COVID19 vaccines that it would not be possible to mandate them. Besides, presently the government is all against mandatory vaccinations.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Here in Italy there as so few COVID19 vaccines that it would not be possible to mandate them. Besides, presently the government is all against mandatory vaccinations.

mccoy thanks for your words about Italy and any of its political, economic and social views. I have learned tremendously about life and have widened my colloquial focus and experience with a view from friends of other cultures.

[guest587]

Bret Weinstein tells Tucker Carlson

“I saw a credible estimate of something like 17 million deaths globally.”

Tucker: “That’s like the death toll of a global war.”

Weinstein: “Yes. Absolutely. This is a great tragedy of history. And, amazingly, there's no way in which it's over.”
https://twitter.com/ReedCooley/status/1743657070342054019

https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1743643731054456872

https://twitter.com/Resist_CBDC/status/1743445917309833612

[mccoy]

The balance between the benefit and the collateral effects...

The above is no news, some doctors have been honest when speaking to the public, I remember clearly one of them saying on the TV that there is no zero-risk drug or vaccine.

What is unacceptable is that governments (including the Italian) were actively engaged in concealing the collateral effects.

This lack of transparency and democracy has probably led to the collapse of a few. In Italy, the present government was in part elected by opposing the mandatory vaccination strategy of the former government.

N.B. I am not against vaccination, I'm against mandatory and uninformed vaccinations. What should have been done, a campaign of information and transparency, then let the people decide for themselves. Most people in Italy were scared of the virus, so a very high percentage of vaccinations was guaranteed anyhow, no mandate necessary.

In favour of mandatory vaccinations, I can say that the internet became such a chaotic place filled with the wildest absurd facts against the vaccine. But this should have been fought with a proper, well-advised campaign in the media, not by following the methods od a dictatorship.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

The balance between the benefit and the collateral effects...

The above is no news, some doctors have been honest when speaking to the public, I remember clearly one of them saying on the TV that there is no zero-risk drug or vaccine.

What is unacceptable is that governments (including the Italian) were actively engaged in concealing the collateral effects.

This lack of transparency and democracy has probably led to the collapse of a few. In Italy, the present government was in part elected by opposing the mandatory vaccination strategy of the former government.

N.B. I am not against vaccination, I'm against mandatory and uninformed vaccinations. What should have been done, a campaign of information and transparency, then let the people decide for themselves. Most people in Italy were scared of the virus, so a very high percentage of vaccinations was guaranteed anyhow, no mandate necessary.

In favour of mandatory vaccinations, I can say that the internet became such a chaotic place filled with the wildest absurd facts against the vaccine. But this should have been fought with a proper, well-advised campaign in the media, not by following the methods od a dictatorship.

Just wonder when did any government have a mandatory vaccination?

[mccoy]

Apart from total lock-downs, in this country, you weren't allowed to go to a public facility, to school, or to travel on public transport without a valid vaccination pass, nor go to a public restaurant and many stores (decision at the discretion of the owners of the stores, restaurants). International travel was restricted to showing a valid vaccination status for many months. Hospitals and homes for the elderly of course, were even more restricted. In most of these, short-tests were necessary on top of a valid vaccination-pass to enter at all. Wearing a mask (in some cases an N-95 one) applied to all situations above...

Stronger restrictions applied for public care and health workers. They were forced by the government to either be vaxxed, or loose their jobs.

And yes, I took the vax 3 times because otherwise no social life would have been possible at all, not even with my partner (pharmacist) or my kids (social workers).

So yes, Steve the vax-mandates have worked, and worldwide billions of mrna-shots were delivered.

Same in Italy and, I believe, most European countries.

After having had willingly my first two shots, I was compelled (without much freedom of choice) to have a third. Otherwise, I would have been suspended from my job with no salary, for an undetermined length of time. Also, like Uwe said, no social life was possible. On top of it, it was not very easy to get the shots because everyone was in line for it and I barely was in time before the suspension from salary. And, with my two shots, I was treated like an anti-vaxxer with zero shots!

What made me even more upset, was the fact that my son, although having had two vaccinations and having been infected twice by the natural virus, had to take a third shot, against every conceivable scientific evidence that natural virus plus 2 shots made you highly immune.

By the way, my son is autistic and extra shots might have made him more irritable and aggressive.

I was so supremely irritated by this anti-scientific, incompetent, and dictatorial behavior of my former government, that my satisfaction was great when it crumbled down, having had personally a role (although negligible) in its demise by voting for the opposition.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Apart from total lock-downs, in this country, you weren't allowed to go to a public facility, to school, or to travel on public transport without a valid vaccination pass, nor go to a public restaurant and many stores (decision at the discretion of the owners of the stores, restaurants). International travel was restricted to showing a valid vaccination status for many months. Hospitals and homes for the elderly of course, were even more restricted. In most of these, short-tests were necessary on top of a valid vaccination-pass to enter at all. Wearing a mask (in some cases an N-95 one) applied to all situations above...

Stronger restrictions applied for public care and health workers. They were forced by the government to either be vaxxed, or loose their jobs.

And yes, I took the vax 3 times because otherwise no social life would have been possible at all, not even with my partner (pharmacist) or my kids (social workers).

So yes, Steve the vax-mandates have worked, and worldwide billions of mrna-shots were delivered.

Alright I did not witness that type of restriction here in the states. Life was quite normal for me and I never had to show a vax card to anyone. Although people were encouraged to take the vax and told to isolate themselves from others if and when they had Covid.

[guest587]

I've had a different experience from Steve. Many small businesses were effected. When COVID and lockdowns were first announced, we had to have "essential worker" cards on the off chance someone tried to say we weren't allowed out and about. Fortunately that didn't stick. There were mask mandates, and there was much pressure placed on the public to get the experimental injection. So much pressure that I was forced to resign my second job because the employer wanted everyone to take the shot.

My Grandpa received 1 dose of Pfizer and immediately suffered heart failure. Heart conditions run in the family, and I was mysteriously hospitalized three years ago. It wasn't COVID- but I did not want to take the shot for fear of heart complications. A customer of ours, his wife suffered a severe neurological disorder after taking the shot. I took all that was happening around me as a sign from the Universe to trust my instincts and not take it. When I voiced my concerns to the employer, she didn't care. She was living in fear. That's okay, it's her business- her decision. But at this time, whistleblowers were coming forward with information about the injection linked to myocarditis which was suppressed and the whistleblowers were vilified.

The Army tried to mandate it and took a huge loss because of it. They've since, "rescinded" the decision.

A member here, LaurenLoo was physically assaulted when society tried enforcing mask mandates. The media did not help and even held round table discussion questioning how to go about in imposing restrictions on those who would not comply. They even suggested we be denied the ability to grocery shop. (Yes, this suggestion happened on CNN) Using words like, "anti-vaxxer" was a part of the campaign to get people to enroll themselves in the experimental injection. They also offered us, "krispy kreme" donuts like we're dumb, obese children- thinking this would incentivize us. They also offered lottery type rewards for those who would get the shot. They had to change the definition of "vaccine" because this was a new technology that did not fit the standard description.

The media, politicians and larger corporate thugs hyped up a lot of fear and aggression. I had a gentleman try to accost me because I would not wear a mask. I did so as a statement. Because even Fauci had flipped on the science. Presently, you can find science for and science against mask mandates. Despite being around people who had COVID, and working in the public on a regular basis- I did not catch COVID until a year or two later. And I only wore mask when it was absolutely forced. And even then I was able to find breathable mask- because I can not breathe with a mask, and I don't like the idea of recirculating and accumulating additional bacteria in my lungs and naval cavities.

I would not have been allowed to attend jury duty when I was summoned if I did not comply with their mask requirement. And they would have marked me as absent despite my appearing in the court house.

Oh yeah, my local grocers(Kroger's, a chain) punished their unvaccinated employees by denying their benefits/health insurance.

There was much backlash here- and I support the rights of a people who do want to follow the dictates of an unelected authority. Some speculate this was a beta test for something even more nefarious. I suspect it's the on-boarding or forced enrollment for a digital ID, where CBDCs and social credit scores are the only way to get along in modern society. Something we've been warned about.

As it stands, we've not really had enough time for the "long term" data from the experimental injections to accumulate. And those who do try to report any damning data- such as the man who worked for New Zealands health care system- are met with further oppression by their governments. Be they vilified, arrested, or worse.

[mccoy]

As far as I understood, in America, the situation was different in different states. California and New York were very similar to Italy and Europe, as well as Canada.

In those states, the evident strategy was to make the unvaccinated feel (and actually be) like Pariahs.

I don't think there was any conspiracy, just a dystopic situation most people would never have imagined. And this with a relatively innocuous, although very infectious, virus.

What would have happened with a much more aggressive one, like the Spanish flu, or a little like Ebola? Society would have helplessly crumbled down.

This is a lesson for the future, if something similar happens, with worse viruses.

[guest587]

Howdy Lucca. Good points. I would add I think Canada had it worse- Justin Trudeau vilified his own people and during that Trucker convoy- a protest over mandates, citizens had their bank accounts shut down. "Emergency Powers"

The real mccoy. First, I want to say- I am excited by your jamaican bean experience. Second- I appreciate your humbling sympathies for the human condition. While I can see why you say you don't think what happened was a conspiracy- I do see the makings of a real conspiracy. Can it be both are true? It only takes a handful of important and influential people with ill intentions to execute a conspiracy, whereas other parts of the world are just trying to make do with what they have(or doing what they're told).

Not trying to speak about crazy stuff, such as Ivermectin, HCQ, nor the sensible use of Vitamins, Zinc, etc (this link yet deserves a deeper look) I'd like everyone to listen to this interview for educational purposes in medicine, regardless of the interviewer and his political "aura", if you haven't already done so:

https://tuckercarlson.com/the-tucker-carlson-encounter-bret-weinstein/

These are all good links to consider. Both in the quotes and below-

https://banned.video/watch?id=659c8a4d1a2540668c17374d (a really informative video)

The link above goes over the UN pandemic treaty written with the help of those in the Biden administration where even our news has come out with headlines like: "Draft of pandemic treaty fails to protect basic rights"

If you don't want to watch the whole thing- here is a 4 minute clip that drives the point home...

https://rumble.com/v462kmo-inspired-emergency-broadcast-worldwide-soft-coup-imminent.html

"The proposed amendments to the International Health Regulations & the new Pandemic Treaty, both scheduled to be ratified in May of this year would give the WHO unprecedented powers over its member nations & remove any and all existing human rights restrictions - a de facto world government."

A lesson for the future- that sounds right. I only wonder if we learned anything, or if we're going to allow the same bullying and dystopic nightmare to dominate our lives? 

[guest587]

https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/100-reasons

The World Health Organization is attempting a GLOBAL POWER GRAB by seeking to have the 194 member nations of the World Health Assembly a completely new international agreement commonly referred to as the proposed “Pandemic Treaty” in addition to seeking to adopt proposed amendments to the International Health Regulations.

The proposed “Pandemic Treaty” would give the WHO control over “pathogens with pandemic potential” as well as control over the means of production within the Pharmaceutical, Hospital, Emergency Industrial Complex. It is an absolute abomination that must be stopped.

The proposed amendments to the International Health Regulations would make the WHO’s proclamations legally-binding rather than just advisory recommendations. The proposed amendments seek to institute global digital health certificates, dramatically increase the billions of dollars available to the WHO and enable nations to implement the regulations WITHOUT respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of people.

Agreement by a simple majority of the 194 member nations is all that is needed to adopt the amendments because, as amendments to an existing agreement, neither the advice and consent of the United States Senate, nor the signature of the President would be required.

These proposed amendments are being negotiated in secret without any opportunity for comment by people from around the world.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Eric, I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with your above statement but please do not put billboards up at the site. If I do it or anyone else please let me know, and we will discuss this in the members only section. I see that you did not enlarge the so-called billboard but at the same time the views you hold are not the views of everyone and certainly may not be the views of ‘God’ so I ask you not to put up large billboards on the site thank you.

[guest587]

Steve, this is a post I am sharing as it relates to the conversation- a free exchange of information. No one here is forcing their opinions on anyone and certainly the producer of the image did not say his views should be your views.

If you'd like a separate discussion on God and judgement, I found this quote pretty interesting:

"The desire to judge remains compelling throughout the experience of your third density. The ability to judge correctly is not given to any which draws the breath. There is no spiritual use in judgment. When that desire to judge comes upon you, attempt to see it for that which it is, the small self within incarnation attempting to put into order the chaos of perceived stimuli. Release, when possible, that desire to control which has you judging, and turn instead within to that fire which burns at the heart, at the holy of holies, locked within you by silence."
https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1987/0118

Moving forward: you can always delete any image I share if it's too large- we're friends and I'm not worried about it. I went ahead and removed the authors declaration.