The Yugas of Sri Yukteswar explained physically

[mccoy]

Thanks Steve for all the data on galaxy rotation,  if I remember well according to Sri Yukteswar  the sun, rotating around its dual, alternatively travels closer and farther from the grand center, which is a source of spiritual energy. That's the basis of the Yugas theory. Satya Yuga closer to Sagittarius A*, kaly yuga further form Sagittarius A*. Unfortunately, there is still no clue about the Sun's dual. Even the Binary Institute could not find any duals after substantial research.

I don't know how such a dual is escaping the refined astrophysical calculations. Otherwise, Sri Yukteswar might have been deceived in his interpretations by some other thoughts in the causal realm.

He remains a totally inspiring master anyway.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Thanks Steve for all the data on galaxy rotation,  if I remember well according to Sri Yukteswar  the sun, rotating around its dual, alternatively travels closer and farther from the grand center, which is a source of spiritual energy. That's the basis of the Yugas theory. Satya Yuga closer to Sagittarius A*, kaly yuga further form Sagittarius A*. Unfortunately, there is still no clue about the Sun's dual. Even the Binary Institute could not find any duals after substantial research.

I don't know how such a dual is escaping the refined astrophysical calculations. Otherwise, Sri Yukteswar might have been deceived in his interpretations by some other thoughts in the causal realm.

He remains a totally inspiring master anyway.

Don’t think so friend. Sagittarius A* is not the grand center Sri Yukteswar is talking about. It takes millions (24 million) of years for our Sun and planets in our solar system to rotate around our galaxy circling Sagittarius A* It takes 24,000 years for our Sun to rotate around the dual Sri Yukteswar refers to in the Holy Science. So satya yuga is not closer to Sagittarius A* but rather satya Yuga is closer to our dual Sun and source of spiritual energy. It would be somewhat like looking at two people running around each other while at the same time their position together changes slightly each rotation, because together they move a few inches each rotation around someone that is at a distance but in the center of them. Or imagine it like one hand of a huge clock with two specs, which are ants, are on the end of the hand of that clock. They circle one another on the tip of that hand. Still that hand of the clock is rotating around the center of the clock. Which would be Analogous to Sagittarius A* But the two ants are circling around each other on the tip of the hand. That would be their immediate center. Which would be their dual.

This may help you:

If you have difficulty seeing it here, go to the procession of the equinoxes explained by by Graham Hancock at you tube. The only difference between his explanation and Sri Yukteswar’s is he uses the wobble of the earth to explain the phenomena. Sri Yukteswar uses the rotation of our Sun around its dual to explain it.

So what I’m saying here to sum this up is; our earth is rotating around the Sun every year. And our Sun and the earth together rotate around another Sun. That Sun (that our Sun rotates around) and our Sun rotate around  Sagittarius A* which is the center of our galaxy. This is a scientific fact. If you have anything to refute it please show me. And the Bible is a very poor example of science. It says that the Sun rises every morning. Which now we find as humorous. We know the Sun only appears to rise but indeed it is the earth’s movement that gives this appearance.  Amma was very astute to give this answer when asked if the Bible is true; “Some of it.”

[mccoy]

Steve, I'm not very erudite on astrophysics, so I consulted Wikipedia, first in the voice: binary star

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_star#Configuration_of_the_system

The orbits of the components of a binary system vary according to the mass ratios of the components themselves and this is illustrated pretty clearly in the wiki page:

for stars of similar mass


for stars of different mass


There are other cases, but the essential mechanism is that the two stars rotate around a common baricenter. The rotation period may vary amply, from a few hours to hundred of thousand years.

Now, in SY's model, the sun is rotating around the baricenter of a dual system , in a 24000 years period. The sun may be also rotating around its dual, but this only if the dual is much higher in mass.

The whole galaxy is also rotating and the baricenter of the dual system (with both binary stars) rotates around the galactic center with a 230 million earth years period:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year

The first rotation is what interests us. the galactic rotation is irrelevant to SY's model, whereas it may be relevant to other models described in the Hindu scriptures (for example, the year of Bhrama).

Now, while rotating around the dual system baricenter, the sun goes periodically closer and further to the galactic center, which I think is SY's grand center. Closer causes a satya yuga, further causes a kaly yuga.

The grand center may be another celestial object which emanates spiritual radiations, but I doubt that it is the sun's dual, otherwise SY would have explicitly mentioned it.

The above is exactly the same as your conclusion in the preceding post:

That Sun (that our Sun rotates around) and our Sun rotate around  Sagittarius A* which is the center of our galaxy.

So, if our views are the same, I'm wondering now why your inception was a negative.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

In thee last explanation and model you appear to be describing it just as I did. In thee first one you said and I will quote;

Thanks Steve for all the data on galaxy rotation,  if I remember well according to Sri Yukteswar  the sun, rotating around its dual, alternatively travels closer and farther from the grand center, which is a source of spiritual energy. That's the basis of the Yugas theory. Satya Yuga closer to Sagittarius A*, kaly yuga further form Sagittarius A*. Unfortunately, there is still no clue about the Sun's dual. Even the Binary Institute could not find any duals after substantial research.

I don't know how such a dual is escaping the refined astrophysical calculations. Otherwise, Sri Yukteswar might have been deceived in his interpretations by some other thoughts in the causal realm.

He remains a totally inspiring master anyway.

Do you see above where you stated ;  “ Satya Yuga closer to Sagittarius A* , Kali Yuga further from Sagittarius A* “

In fact Sagittarius A* has nothing to do with Sri. Yukteswar’s model. In his Holy Science he is only referring to your model of two stars below as you provided (thanks).

for stars of different mass


The model you have provided above is the correct one. The small star is etching out an ecliptic … sometimes closer at other times further away. Similar to the path of Pluto around our Sun.Both those stars (the Sun and it’s dual) are also moving within a whole arm of the Milky Way Galaxy. Around Sagittarius A* which takes approx. 24 million years.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

In thee last explanation and model you appear to be describing it just as I did. In the first one you said and I will quote;

Thanks Steve for all the data on galaxy rotation,  if I remember well according to Sri Yukteswar  the sun, rotating around its dual, alternatively travels closer and farther from the grand center, which is a source of spiritual energy. That's the basis of the Yugas theory. Satya Yuga closer to Sagittarius A*, kaly yuga further form Sagittarius A*. Unfortunately, there is still no clue about the Sun's dual. Even the Binary Institute could not find any duals after substantial research.

I don't know how such a dual is escaping the refined astrophysical calculations. Otherwise, Sri Yukteswar might have been deceived in his interpretations by some other thoughts in the causal realm.

He remains a totally inspiring master anyway.

Do you see above where you stated ;  “ Satya Yuga closer to Sagittarius A* , Kali Yuga further from Sagittarius A* “

In fact Sagittarius A* has nothing to do with Sri. Yukteswar’s model. In his Holy Science he is only referring to your model of two stars below as you provided (thanks).

for stars of different mass


The model you have provided above is the correct one. The small star is etching out an ecliptic … sometimes closer at other times further away. Similar to the path of Pluto around our Sun.Both those stars (the Sun and it’s dual) are also moving within a whole arm of the Milky Way Galaxy. Around Sagittarius A* which takes approx. 24 million years.

If you open this thread, you will see I included a picture of Pluto’s orbit around the Sun. You will see it gets closer and further away in its orbit. In the same way our Sun does to its dual, which has been assessed to most likely be the star system Pleiades.

Steve, I'm not very erudite on astrophysics, so I consulted Wikipedia, first in the voice: binary star

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_star#Configuration_of_the_system


The grand center may be another celestial object which emanates spiritual radiations, but I doubt that it is the sun's dual, otherwise SY would have explicitly mentioned it.

The above is exactly the same as your conclusion in the preceding post:

So, if our views are the same, I'm wondering now why your inception was a negative.

Sri Yukteswar’s quote from the Holy Science; “…the sun with its planets and their moons takes some star for its dual and revolves around it in about 24,000 years of our earth a celestial phenomenon which causes the backward movement of the equinoctial points around our zodiac.” ~Sri Yukteswar

The Sun in its rotation around its dual comes to its place nearest to this grand center….dharma the mental virtue becomes so developed, that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of spirit.

~Sri Yukteswar

The cause of the procession (of the equinoxes) has not been finally established by modern astronomers. Some claiming it is due to a slight change in direction of the earths axis while others believe they have mathematical proof that the phenomenon is caused by the motion of the Sun in space along it’s on orbit, where by all the bodies of our solar system are being brought nearer to a Grand Central Sun around which our own Sun and every Sun or fixed star in the universe ( our sector of the Universe) is revolving.

All ancient nations considered Alcyone, brightest star of the Pleiades, to be this Grand Central Sun. To the Babylonians it was to Temennu, “the foundation stone”. The Arabs had two names for it-Kimah, the immortal Seal or type” and Al Wasat, “the Central One”. It was Amba, “The Mother” of the Hindus, and its present name of Alcyone  was derived from a Greek word signifying peace. It is so far distant from us at present as to appear to be a star of only the third magnitude. There is a significant passage in the Bible job 38: 4-31 about the constellation containing Alcyone where the Lord asked Job: “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?”

~ Tara Mata   ( quotations filled by Jitendra)

So, if our views are the same, I'm wondering now why your inception was a negative.

Would Sri Yukteswar see it that way?

I don't know how such a dual is escaping the refined astrophysical calculations. Otherwise, Sri Yukteswar might have been deceived in his interpretations by some other thoughts in the causal realm.

He remains a totally inspiring master anyway.

It was less the 100 years ago that astrophysics discovered Pluto. And only in the last year do we hear scientists not giving such a bad rap to those seeing UFOS. Saying they are weather balloons, stars, satellites and space debris…. Making the rest of us appear to be entertaining fantasies. And only recently that science has questioned the very basis of reality as we know it. There will most likely be many more corrections and ‘discoveries’ in the future.




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[mccoy]

It appears to me that we are still saying the some things, as a whole.

If you open this thread, you will see I included a picture of Pluto’s orbit around the Sun. You will see it gets closer and further away in its orbit. In the same way, our Sun does to its dual, which has been assessed to most likely be the star system Pleiades.

Yes, an elliptical orbit, perfectly circular is probably almost non-existing in celestial bodies. There always is a closer and a further distance from another point in the galaxy.
Please note the period of galaxy rotation around Sagittarius A* is told to be 230 million years, not 23 or 24 but please verify.

Sri Yukteswar’s quote from the Holy Science; “…the sun with its planets and their moons takes some star for its dual and revolves around it in about 24,000 years of our earth a celestial phenomenon which causes the backward movement of the equinoctial points around our zodiac.” ~Sri Yukteswar
The Sun in its rotation around its dual comes to its place nearest to this grand center….dharma the mental virtue becomes so developed, that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of the spirit.
~Sri Yukteswar

Now, the position of the grand center is not specified by Sri Yukteswar. Its mere definition (the grand, huge, supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy) suggests that it is Sagittarius A*. In my opinion, Tara Mata got it wrong. The Alcyone quadruple system is too close to the sun, it cannot be a barycenter of rotation for the whole galaxy.

t was less the 100 years ago that astrophysics discovered Pluto. And only in the last year do we hear scientists not giving such a bad rap to those seeing UFOS. Saying they are weather balloons, stars, satellites and space debris…. Making the rest of us appear to be entertaining fantasies. And only recently that science has questioned the very basis of reality as we know it. There will most likely be many more corrections and ‘discoveries’ in the future.

I agree, but today Astrophysics has very powerful instruments, and they could not reveal a sun dual yet, a dual which should be relatively close. Even a black hole or a dwarf star has mass and detectable radiations.
The issue of aliens is different. Something physical which has never been proved, is practically non existing. There is simply no hard evidence. So we may speculate that probably there are aliens, but where are they? Around the earth? Pure, unsupported speculation. In our galaxy? Maybe, but then so what if they are not reachable or we cannot communicate. In other galaxies? Then who minds, they are so far to be practically non existing.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I again call your attention to these quotes;


Quote from: Steve Hydonus on May 30, 2022 11:03 pm
Sri Yukteswar’s quote from the Holy Science; “…the sun with its planets and their moons takes some star for its dual and revolves around it in about 24,000 years of our earth a celestial phenomenon which causes the backward movement of the equinoctial points around our zodiac.” ~Sri Yukteswar
The Sun in its rotation around its dual comes to its place nearest to this grand center….dharma the mental virtue becomes so developed, that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of the spirit.
~Sri Yukteswar

The whole time Sri Yukteswar is talking he is referring to the procession of the equinoxes. Never do I see him referring to the center of the Galaxy which is Sagittarius A*

Based on your understanding from current scientific research. It is evident to me you are putting Sri Yukteswar’s view of the procession of the equinoxes as suspect. I do not think this is sacrilegious mccoy. You have a perfectly good reason to question his views. I just think 🤔 that you would be better off to admit it rather than telling me our views are on the whole the same.

You have arrived at different conclusions brother….

“Now, the position of the grand center is not specified by Sri Yukteswar. Its mere definition (the grand, huge, supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy) suggests that it is Sagittarius A*. In my opinion, Tara Mata got it wrong. The Alcyone quadruple system is too close to the sun, it cannot be a barycenter of rotation for the whole galaxy.” ~mccoy

Nobody here has said that Alcyone is the “barycenter of rotation for the whole galaxy.” Although it may well be the ‘ ‘barycenter of rotation’ for the 24,000 year changes in the yugas . How did you arrive at the assessment that I was talking about the whole galaxy? I am not. I am talking about the movement between two smaller areas in the galaxy. Some source of rotation is obvious… by way of the procession of the equinoxes. That is a scientific fact at this point.

‘Sun in its rotation around its dual comes to its place nearest to this grand center….dharma the mental virtue becomes so developed, that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of spirit.’  ~Sri Yukteswar

You appear to keep mixing the ‘grand center’ Sri Yukteswar was referring to as the center of two ‘duals’ with the grand center of our galaxy. Which is at the center of of Sagittarius A*. This is not the case. We are talking about apples and oranges here. And , for that reason I have split away this topic from Sagittarius A*

This is not what Sri Yukteswar is saying. He is saying the ‘grand center’ of our rotation around its dual. Which has not as yet been ascertained by science. It is ok to recognize our differences here mccoy. We are both attempting to understand one another. My assessment of your view is that you see no evidence of another ‘grand center’ to explain the procession of the equinoxes and the resulting affects on social, scientific and spiritual evolution for humanity. I have this response; in the short time that we have a view of history there is tremendous validation for Sri Yukteswar’s views, In spite of the current lack of understanding by the scientific community. One thing however, seems quite certain. That is that the procession of the equinoxes is taking place. Sri Yukteswar’s explanation is that it is happening because of the orbit around our ‘dual’. Most scientific data, so far, would have us believe it is because of a wobble in the earth’s axis. If that were true it certainly would be quite a different phenomenon than the Sun and earth rotating around their dual! Yet science (in Carl Sagans view) admits that the Veda’s and the Hindus knew about these great cycles way before modern science.

[mccoy]

Steve, of course, this is just a friendly discussion, I am a huge fan of Sri Yukteswar and I admire his model, but I think that SY himself would just expect us to apply God-given logic and current scientific knowledge. I am pretty sure about it. The Jnanavatar was very impersonal in his logic.

Re. precession of equinoxes, if there are incoherences or not in the current scientific model vs SY's model. I know there are scientific objections to the causal mechanism hinted at by SY (the rotation around a sun's dual), but I choose not to debate it. Right now, I'm not interested to go into details and I am all right with SY's causal hypothesis.

Re. galaxy revolution period: all right, you think it's not relevant, but in the words of Tara Mata you cited I though I saw something hinting at a center about which all fixed stars rotate.

Re. the nature of the grand center. I pulled out of the cardboard box my copy of the Holy science. After consultation, I'm going to post more and write what are my impressions.

[mccoy]

OK, this is the sentence in question:

The sun has also another motion by which it revolves round a grand center called Vishnunabi, which is the seat of the creative power, Brahma, the universal magnetism. Brahma regulates dharma, the mental virtue of the internal world. When the sun in its revolution round its dual comes to the place nearest to this grand center, the seat of Brahma (an event which takes place when the autumnal equinox comes to the first point of Aries), dharma, the mental virtue, becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Spirit.

Now, there seem to be two revolutions, one around the sun's dual, the other around the grand center. No details are provided. Also, Sri Yukteswar does not describe the location details of Vishnunabi. It may be a grand center astrally speaking, that is a hub of spiritual radiations, in an unspecified location in the galaxy. It may be the center of all the galaxy, but it is not specified.

OK, now one issue is the revolution of the sun (and its dual, probably) around the grand center. Does the binary system revolve around Sagittarius A*? That's a positive, all the stars in the galaxy rotate around the galactic hub.

So, the point which satisfies this requisite (a point around which the binary system rotates) is probably Sagittarius A*.

One problem with this interpretation is that the difference in the galactic perihelium and aphelium is relatively little, so it is not very reasonable that such a small delta-distance relative to the galactic radius may influence so much the mental virtue.

But then, we should demonstrate that the sun binary system rotates around some barycenter different than the galactic hub....