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« Reply #15 on: Jun 22, 2024 09:56 pm »

Who Is on Donald Trump’s Revenge List? Rewriting history according to Trumps whims and personal vendetta. The president that clearly has attempted to denounce the New Testament with revenge instead of forgiveness. And yet he sells ‘Trump Bibles’!

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Who Is on Donald Trump’s Revenge List?
One of the central themes of Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential campaign has been the desire for vengeance against those who he believes have done him and the country wrong. “I am your retribution,” has become a staple of his stump speech, and it’s not just rhetoric. While Trump and his allies have decried what they say is the weaponization of the justice system against him, they have also made it clear that if he regains the White House, they absolutely plan to use the presidency and the Department of Justice to retaliate against their enemies — and it won’t just be Joe Biden. Below is a look at who Trump and his advisers have indicated they’ll target for revenge, including threats both explicit and vague.
➽ Joe Biden and family
Trump has repeatedly threatened to weaponize the power of the presidency to target Joe Biden and his family. “I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family,” he said after one of his indictments in 2023.
Trump insists that the Bidens are guilty of various crimes, including corruption, and he makes it clear that prosecuting them will be revenge for the various cases against him since leaving office.
“Look, when this election is over, based on what they’ve done, I would have every right to go after them, and it would be easy because it’s Joe Biden,” Trump told Sean Hannity in an interview early this month.
➽ Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg
Plans to go after DA Alvin Bragg have been underway since well before he charged Trump in the hush-money case, per a Rolling Stone report from March 2023:
Soon after being convicted in the hush-money case, Trump was asked in an interview whether he’d prosecute Bragg as president. “Alvin Bragg did some very bad things,” he responded, but that “I’m not going to say anything one way or the other” and “we’re going to see what happens.”
➽ New York Judge Juan Merchan
Trump has repeatedly publicly attacked Judge Juan Merchan, who presided over the Manhattan hush-money trial in which a jury convicted Trump on 34 felon counts of falsifying business records. Trump has called Merchan “corrupt” and “a devil” and “crooked.” Shortly after the verdict, Trump said:
➽ New York Attorney General Leticia James
Trump has also repeatedly attacked Tish James, who filed an ultimately successful civil fraud lawsuit against the former president over his business practices and has said she should be “looked at” by authorities and that the civil fraud case was “election interference.” In March, Rolling Stone reported that some in Trump’s orbit were already plotting ways to enact revenge along those lines if he’s elected president:
➽ New York Judge Arthur Engoron
Another possible target is Judge Engoron, who presided over the recent civil fraud trial against Trump in New York and ultimately ordered him to pay $355 million in damages. Trump has repeatedly called Engoron “crooked” and “corrupt” and has said that the judge “ought to be seriously looked at” by authorities.
➽ Special Counsel Jack Smith and anyone involved in the federal Trump investigations/indictments
Rolling Stone reported in August 2023 that a broad team of Trump allies — including MAGA-world lawyers, former Trump administration officials, and various Trump advisers — were building a list of people to target if Trump regains the White House, including Smith:
➽ Members of the House January 6 Select Committee
On June 6, Trump attacked the committee and accused its members of committing crimes in a Truth Social post, writing at the end of the post: “INDICT THE UNSELECT J6 COMMITTEE FOR ILLEGALLY DELETING AND DESTROYING ALL OF THEIR ‘FINDING!’”
➽ Journalists and media organizations
Trump continues to attack members of the media, or at least those he views as unfriendly to him and his causes, as “the enemy of the people.” In a September 2023 Truth Social post, Trump attacked NBC News, MSNBC, and the organizations’ parent company, Comcast, before adding:
During an appearance on Steve Bannon’s podcast late last year, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel, who according to the New York Times will likely have a senior national security role in a second Trump administration, vowed that the administration would go after journalists. Though Patel said a second Trump administration would “follow the facts and the law,” he also said:
➽ Nonprofits and charities that support migrants
In a November 2023 Truth Social post, Trump vowed that, “For any radical left charity, non-profit, or so called aid organizations supporting these caravans and illegal aliens, we will prosecute them for their participation in human trafficking, child smuggling, and every other crime we can find…”
➽ Retired Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley
In September 2023, Trump posted a message on Truth Social attacking Milley over phone calls the former top general made to China in October 2020 and January 2021 (two days after the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol) offering reassurance that Trump was not planning to attack China. Milley later said that both calls, at the time, were cleared by senior Trump administration Defense officials. But in his Truth Social post, Trump suggested Milley had in fact committed treason, writing that:
➽ Employees at the National Archives
Per a Rolling Stone report in October 2022, Trump has expressed an interest in purging the federal agency — which he has said is “woke and broken” —after it sought to recover classified documents Trump took from the White House at the end of his presidency:
➽ Mark Zuckerberg
In a February Truth Social post, Trump accused the Facebook/Meta CEO of interference in the 2020 election, citing an unproven allegation that the billionaire attempted to help Democrats via a nonpartisan nonprofit which donated millions of dollars to help bolster the operations of 2,500 local election offices ahead of the election.
“He cheated on the Election(s). The whole system is RIGGED. Why isn’t he being prosecuted?” Trump wrote.”
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« Reply #16 on: Jun 24, 2024 08:48 am »

"Case in point; Paul McCartney."

May I know what McCartney has done wrong?
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 24, 2024 08:57 am »



I believe we have a lot of people trying to rewrite history to shape the view of their own personal egos. That’s why we have so many political prisoners in the world. Leaders and politicians want their countries to appear attractive. Even musicians attempt to rewrite history. Case in point; Paul McCartney.

Looking at ourselves we do the same just on a more personal level. We have our own take on relationships. It may be quite different then the people we call our friends. They may have quite a different view than us. Quite different explanation of events, circumstances and the communication that took place.

Hello Weboflife, let us reread my initial comment before I answer your question because this was your question….

"Case in point; Paul McCartney."

May I know what McCartney has done wrong?

Now that we have reread my comment together and your question, I would like to know if you think McCartney has done wrong because my observation wasn’t that anyone did something wrong. My observation was that we all have  quite a different view than others. Including you and I. We also have quite similar views.

So my answer is that this is definitely the case of Paul McCartney as well. The only difference is that his views of what happened between the Beatles being quite different then George’s or or John’s cannot be very well disputed at this point since both his band mates are no longer here to respond. And he continues to make comments that his band mates can no longer reply about. If one of my colleagues or friends had passed to the other side I just think that it would be somewhat inappropriate to comment on their personal lives and what I did with them writing songs for instance when they no longer have a voice in the matter. I do think your question is valid though. I can just say that he (McCartney) has continued to make observations and comments that I’m quite sure George and John would have had quite a different view and opinion of if they were here today to be able to respond.

Some musicians have helped other people tremendously before passing to the other side and have had the finances and kindness to do so, there are many worthy examples of this like for instance George Micheal and Harry Chapin. Others have kept most their fortunes to themselves. This can certainly be said of Paul McCartney, in contrast to for instance George Harrison who donated $2 million dollars to SRF before passing and the way he spent his time promoting meditation instead of his attempting to promote and preserve his name for history. So my final comment about your question is that I believe that history will remember the kindness of George Harrison much longer then the contributions of the music of Paul McCartney. Just my opinion. Yours is just as important.
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« Reply #18 on: Jun 24, 2024 11:41 pm »

I agree, rich people have a karmic obligation to be generous, otherwise they totally missed the (karmic) point of being rich.
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« Reply #19 on: Jun 25, 2024 12:08 am »

I agree, rich people have a karmic obligation to be generous, otherwise they totally missed the (karmic) point of being rich.

Wow 😮 that’s an interesting way to put it mccoy. I believe that a large portion of us are being put through a test run of one sort or another. It may or may not interest you that a stellium of planets together in a birth chart shows a new earned freedom with energies, and the way we use those energies given determines its manifestation in proceeding forward and how those energies will separate and act upon one another in future scenarios. You and I both have that constellation in our tropical birth charts. And though not in the same sign in a sidereal chart, those plants still exert a common role together in manifestation.
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« Reply #20 on: Jun 25, 2024 03:54 am »

Thanks for the clarification, Steve. Mine wasn't really a comment, just a question.

I just watched a special documentary on the Beatles recordings hosted by a producer interviewing McCartney. On one of the episodes Paul talked about George letting Eric Clapton sing some of George's part in one of the Beatles songs, with Paul pointing out that George didn't care for the accolades, he was just happy to give his friend a part, not verbatim but my take on it. Paul went on to say George was a very wise man, acknowledging Georges keen spiritual leanings.

If you think of a crime scene and all the different witnesses, the police piece together the truth from the different perspectives of each of the witnesses point of view. We are all trying to make sense of our two worlds, the outer show and our inner show which can be even more deceptive than what comes from outside. That's my understanding of Master's teachings anyway, and I think the crime scene scenario backs this up.
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« Reply #21 on: Jun 25, 2024 04:33 am »

Thanks for the clarification, Steve. Mine wasn't really a comment, just a question.

I just watched a special documentary on the Beatles recordings hosted by a producer interviewing McCartney. On one of the episodes Paul talked about George letting Eric Clapton sing some of George's part in one of the Beatles songs, with Paul pointing out that George didn't care for the accolades, he was just happy to give his friend a part, not verbatim but my take on it. Paul went on to say George was a very wise man, acknowledging Georges keen spiritual leanings.

If you think of a crime scene and all the different witnesses, the police piece together the truth from the different perspectives of each of the witnesses point of view. We are all trying to make sense of our two worlds, the outer show and our inner show which can be even more deceptive than what comes from outside. That's my understanding of Master's teachings anyway, and I think the crime scene scenario backs this up.

Yea we often see a bit of ourselves in the outer reels. We come into this life working out desires and perhaps 🤔 creating some new ones along the way. The phenomenal success of those guys and the talent they left, led me at one time to ask the head monk of the monastery where I lived for 6 years. “How do such people come into this life with so much talent from an early age? His answer; ‘they attend various regions in the after life where they are trained to work on something of that nature’ to paraphrase him. So I would suppose that it would take many incarnations of work and experience as well as some degree of good karma to even be able to be able to go to those regions of the astral realm. Not to mention the infinite temptations of worldly life and fame that would hack away at their talent to express such innovative expression, once they were given the script. Such people are very complex and have many good and some challenging aspects to their persona. Through them we are often able to learn about ourselves as well, since everything we witness is part of our consciousness. Just as we have seen unkind words others have thrown at us as barbs, they also have had many unkind thoughts about one another yet there have been moments of understanding as well, and appreciation for all our life’s experiences.
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« Reply #22 on: Jun 25, 2024 05:45 pm »

“How do such people come into this life with so much talent from an early age? His answer; ‘they attend various regions in the after life where they are trained to work on something of that nature’ to paraphrase him. So I would suppose that it would take many incarnations of work and experience as well as some degree of good karma to even be able to be able to go to those regions of the astral realm. Not to mention the infinite temptations of worldly life and fame that would hack away at their talent to express such innovative expression, once they were given the script. Such people are very complex and have many good and some challenging aspects to their persona. Through them we are often able to learn about ourselves as well, since everything we witness is part of our consciousness. Just as we have seen unkind words others have thrown at us as barbs, they also have had many unkind thoughts about one another yet there have been moments of understanding as well, and appreciation for all our life’s experiences.

That's an astounding concept. So talent wouldn't be just the fruit of the experience of previous lives, but something far beyond, targeted development of those abilities to superhuman levels. And it would be valid for different areas, such as the sciences, and mathematics and so on...

I have something to add to your considerations above, a couple of things actually.

First, talent is not a universal gift. More clearly, it is not universally accepted by everyone on earth, just by a large number of people. For example, I never liked the music of the Beatles, to me they are not the manifestation of a particular musical talent. The same I'm sure would apply to many people. Notwithstanding, I'm aware that they are recognized as the absolute founders of pop music and loved by tens of millions, maybe hundreds.
My point is that if talented ones become too proud, they would do better to notice that many people do not care at all of their gifts.

Last, we see that very often such extremely talented people lose their mental balance, this is often because they do not recognize their talent as an expression of God, but rather as an expression of their ego.
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« Reply #23 on: Jun 25, 2024 09:01 pm »

“How do such people come into this life with so much talent from an early age? His answer; ‘they attend various regions in the after life where they are trained to work on something of that nature’ to paraphrase him. So I would suppose that it would take many incarnations of work and experience as well as some degree of good karma to even be able to be able to go to those regions of the astral realm. Not to mention the infinite temptations of worldly life and fame that would hack away at their talent to express such innovative expression, once they were given the script. Such people are very complex and have many good and some challenging aspects to their persona. Through them we are often able to learn about ourselves as well, since everything we witness is part of our consciousness. Just as we have seen unkind words others have thrown at us as barbs, they also have had many unkind thoughts about one another yet there have been moments of understanding as well, and appreciation for all our life’s experiences.

That's an astounding concept. So talent wouldn't be just the fruit of the experience of previous lives, but something far beyond, targeted development of those abilities to superhuman levels. And it would be valid for different areas, such as the sciences, and mathematics and so on...

I have something to add to your considerations above, a couple of things actually.

First, talent is not a universal gift. More clearly, it is not universally accepted by everyone on earth, just by a large number of people. For example, I never liked the music of the Beatles, to me they are not the manifestation of a particular musical talent. The same I'm sure would apply to many people. Notwithstanding, I'm aware that they are recognized as the absolute founders of pop music and loved by tens of millions, maybe hundreds.
My point is that if talented ones become too proud, they would do better to notice that many people do not care at all of their gifts.

Last, we see that very often such extremely talented people lose their mental balance, this is often because they do not recognize their talent as an expression of God, but rather as an expression of their ego.

Mccoy thanks for your additional reasoning and diplomacy, which like usual are a developed ability and ‘gift’ you’ve been given to navigate through the treacherous worldly realm of excess; too much sex, drugs, alcohol, social intrusion and proudness that accompanies all earthly attainments and therefore delusions. Most likely the attainments of such success for such salient individuals will be in historical accounts for perhaps a few hundred years at most, and then become footnotes in historical remembrance before disappearing altogether. I agree there are without much doubt many places of higher learning after this life just as we have some here in the material realm. The music of Bach, Beethoven, Debussy and Rodrigo have been an inspiration for many pop stars of our generation and some of it transcends time much more than some variations we have heard today. But as we move upward in the Dwapara Yuga most likely people like Amma, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and Alexei Navalny will be remembered even more for helping eliminate human suffering from the planet and standing up for the cause of truth and who showed the strength of their spirit, despite all the suffering they endured.

The writings, poetry and plays of Shakespeare, Herman Hesse, Yogananda and Kahil Gibran will most likely still be read far beyond the achievements of today. And the science of Einstein and Tesla will still be looked at when other passing phenomena are only a memory. Jazz and other forms of improvisation as well as music from remote places of the globe and cosmos will no doubt be influential in the future. Not many musicians or scientists had a universal enough perspective to get beyond the quagmire of the small lives they lived…the consciousness they were circumscribed into and the identity they succumbed to from their fans adoration.
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 28, 2024 12:17 am »

Web thought I’d send you this, you may or may not be interested;

"If I'm going to put on a show that lasts less than two and a half hours or three hours I don't even get on stage in a crowded arena, for an audience that often saved months to see me live.
I am fully aware of my role in popular culture, for the Beatles, for history.
I currently have 70 songs in my playlist that everyone knows and everyone would like to see me play.
I can't play all this for the time, yet my setlist has 40 tracks.
Trying to save the basics, appropriate what should be appropriate and dare in two or three tracks.
Yes, a lot of music and a lot of history get left behind, that's the weight I carry for being a Beatle.“

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« Reply #25 on: Jun 28, 2024 01:49 am »

Thanks Steve, always happy for Beatles updates. My parents brought me and my brother to Australia from England in 1971. They had the classic 60's look of 2 very cosmopolitan hippies. Avid Beatles fans too, so I listened to lots of Beatles in childhood.

I think I understand McCartney's frustrations, but we all have to deal with having to leave our history and efforts behind us on this mortal plane. We can take our developed strengths with us, but our flaws too. What I really appreciate is that we never waste a moment on spiritual effort, or so we're taught and I hope its true.

McCartney and the Beatles are idolized by millions. Thats a lot of pressure. George was reticent to release my sweet Lord because he didn't want to put himself on a spiritual pedestal. He said he would have preferred someone else to do it. But he had the moxy and I'm glad he did.
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Thanks Steve, always happy for Beatles updates. My parents brought me and my brother to Australia from England in 1971. They had the classic 60's look of 2 very cosmopolitan hippies. Avid Beatles fans too, so I listened to lots of Beatles in childhood.

I think I understand McCartney's frustrations, but we all have to deal with having to leave our history and efforts behind us on this mortal plane. We can take our developed strengths with us, but our flaws too. What I really appreciate is that we never waste a moment on spiritual effort, or so we're taught and I hope its true.

McCartney and the Beatles are idolized by millions. Thats a lot of pressure. George was reticent to release my sweet Lord because he didn't want to put himself on a spiritual pedestal. He said he would have preferred someone else to do it. But he had the moxy and I'm glad he did.

I like your perspective, yea we are learning from other souls as well. I am learning some piano styles through McCartneys talent and playing. If we seek perfection in our learning we should seek a Guru. I do not expect spiritual guidance from these guys. But I have learned much about music from their approach to playing and writing.
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« Reply #27 on: Jun 28, 2024 08:00 am »

Yes, being a muso I'm sure you could learn so much from them.

I do think we can take spiritual lessons from everyone...especially what not to do! And of course from our own mistakes. But when it comes to public opinion I love what Sri Ramakrishna told one of his disciples..."Spit on public opinion."
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« Reply #28 on: Jun 28, 2024 06:37 pm »

Yes, being a muso I'm sure you could learn so much from them.

I do think we can take spiritual lessons from everyone...especially what not to do! And of course from our own mistakes. But when it comes to public opinion I love what Sri Ramakrishna told one of his disciples..."Spit on public opinion."

Thanks Weboflife. It may be surprising but I believe that any talent I have to do anything significant has come from God. My effort to ‘ make anything happen, is a small part in the totality of anything that could turn out significant. That is why I constantly pray for grace. Thus the term ‘gifted’ which often is heard in relation to talent. And I would say your comment about ‘learning what not to do’ is more apt.

I’ve learned many things from observations of other famous people and seeing how they live and the results showing in their life. As no doubt i have by life experiences as well. I listen and emulate a wide variety of musicians and people of all backgrounds of life. The Beatles only being one. Recently musicians as, Gerry Garcia, George Harrison, George Micheal, John Lennon, Harry Chapin, the band AhHa and Crowded House have all been influential in music and song writing.. Some musicians have unusual skills at certain instruments, for instance Brian Jones and Elton John, others have a unique ability at expressing social issues like Bob Dylan, Jon Lennon and Joni Mitchell. And there are those that have shown incredible kindness and generosity such as George Micheal, George Harrison and Harry Chapin. Quite obviously I have not even begun to include actors and sports people and other professions where like some politicians; they have shown incredible courage, leadership and sacrifice. I’m limiting this to musicians in this particular entry. Rewriting history is not always a bad thing, as there are people who have a higher calling in life who seem to rewrite history in their own conscious awareness independent of the social milieu. These people are those that you and I mostly attempt to emulate in our lives. So yes your example of Ramakrishnas comment above rings true. Apparently you also find inspiration from others not associated with your specific religious inclinations.

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« Reply #29 on: Jun 29, 2024 03:44 am »

Yes, being a muso I'm sure you could learn so much from them.

I do think we can take spiritual lessons from everyone...especially what not to do! And of course from our own mistakes. But when it comes to public opinion I love what Sri Ramakrishna told one of his disciples..."Spit on public opinion."

Thanks Weboflife. It may be surprising but I believe that any talent I have to do anything significant has come from God. My effort to ‘ make anything happen, is a small part in the totality of anything that could turn out significant. That is why I constantly pray for grace. Thus the term ‘gifted’ which often is heard in relation to talent. And I would say your comment about ‘learning what not to do’ is more apt.

I’ve learned many things from observations of other famous people and seeing how they live and the results showing in their life. As no doubt i have by life experiences as well. I listen and emulate a wide variety of musicians and people of all backgrounds of life. The Beatles only being one. Recently musicians as, Gerry Garcia, George Harrison, George Micheal, John Lennon, Harry Chapin, the band AhHa and Crowded House have all been influential in music and song writing.. Some musicians have unusual skills at certain instruments, for instance Brian Jones and Elton John, others have a unique ability at expressing social issues like Bob Dylan, Jon Lennon and Joni Mitchell. And there are those that have shown incredible kindness and generosity such as George Micheal, George Harrison and Harry Chapin. Quite obviously I have not even begun to include actors and sports people and other professions where like some politicians; they have shown incredible courage, leadership and sacrifice. I’m limiting this to musicians in this particular entry. Rewriting history is not always a bad thing, as there are people who have a higher calling in life who seem to rewrite history in their own conscious awareness independent of the social milieu. These people are those that you and I mostly attempt to emulate in our lives. So yes your example of Ramakrishnas comment above rings true. Apparently you also find inspiration from others not associated with your specific religious inclinations.

“I am just an ordinary woman (or man). Any spiritual powers that manifest through me are not my own, but rather the Grace of the Divine.” ~ Sri Anandamayi Ma



Yes, I read up on a lot of the saints of all religions. My spiritual library just keeps growing...what will become of it when I move on is a question my wife wants answered? None of our children seem the least bit interested in matters spiritual, not yet anyway.

Crowded House were a great band, with some lovely songs. Just over the ditch from New Zealand.

I think with all the higher profile people and with everyone it's nice if we can see God in all people and all conditions. Not always easy, but with effort and sometimes pain it can be done.

I like your reference to 'gifted'. Yes it's really the Divine working through all. Any talent is just what you say...a gift.
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