Saturn

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Hey dragonpie helps us all look at others and and ourselves more beautifully!
But the truth be known Saturn helps us see the picture more clearly. It helps us learn
about ourselves and make improvements.

So I will prove just how true this is by making myself into an example.    What do you think
good old mr. lessons (Saturn) is teaching me rite now?  Close your eyes and guess.
Then I will answer you in  a later post.  We all have much to share we just have to sometimes be careful
how we share it.     

You see nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so. No anxiety!
Saturn can be our friend if we see him as helpful. The problem
is that we all have so much ego that it seems difficult and painful
when Saturn comes around to help us let it go.

So Starling... no fair looking at my chart. Just take a wild guess and if any of you
can come up with an answer...post it after this. I already gave clues here.
If we understsnd what the universe is going to be helping us with, we
have a lot more chance of going with the flow and using it to our benefit.
That is exactly my intention here. I am making use of this planet and these posts
to explain its meaning. Saturn is the planet of time and how we use time.
It csn help us clarify and come to conclusions in lingering issues with others.
It defines reality so we get a clearer picture of what is happening in our life.

The Midnite Astrologer

See post below after going to the thread Saturn. It is the inspiration for this thread:
The planet Saturn brings understanding to many planetary configuratiins and transits.
It is doing that in my chart and soon will trigger the Neptune/Sun relationship of
Micheal and Sue.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Hello Starling it is a comfort to have your presence. It really depends on how someone responds to your helping them (we can surmise that by the angles.) understand themselves. Some people would be very receptive to that if they were making an effort to understand themselves.

But I thimk in some way you might be hidden from others in his life. The 12th is also the house of affairs. Hidden sorrows...yes but also hidden joys! I actually have a real wonderful friend and my Sun, Uranus and Venus set in her 12th. She loves to hear about it (her chart) and says I understand her more than anyone. All those planets are opposed by her natal Saturn Mars and Venus. Well what can i say...relationships are usually challenging... a Hey what do you think of my chart?t least the intense ones. Its a dynamic that creates growth and change. Eventually one partner starts to understand the purpose of the relationship and moves on. If there is a spiritual basis in the relationship it can go on for lifetimes. If not it would be a karmic relationship where debts are being worked out.  Any how there is so much more I see here between the two of you. Both of you need to find the truth about the relationship
that is evident in the Sun/Neptune configuration.

It will take more time. Hope you stay around a while this time. I have missed you. Hey what do you think of my chart?

Steve

Hey Steve, I have read this post over and over, and for some reason I feel disturbed with it. I guess it is the Neptune aspect that causes me to not see it clearly.....and I don't want to.... Really am trying to figure out your statement..... "But I thimk in some way you might be hidden from others in his life." We are rarely apart, he doesn't go anywhere...who could I be hidden from? Don't get this one? Thing is with our relationship, we very seldom have arguments things are calm and peaceful. We do have disagreements sometimes, but nothing that we get upset about.I accept him for him and he accepts me for me, and try as much as we can to let each other be ourselves..and not change the other.(however,subconsciously we have both changed) I think this relationship for both of us has brought about a  good change from what we both had before we met, we have grown alot together in the last 4 1/2 yrs.  He of course isn't into the astrology, he will listen to me when I tell him things about our charts, he knows I am interested and respects my interest..... but he doesn't believe in them   So in knowing that... how in the world will we be able to look at things with the same perspective? How will we ever find the truth about our relationship (sun/neptune configuration) I may be able to have some foresight by utilizing astrology...but don't know what to look for...esp with the mars/venus/ pluto thingy going on, all that does is make me suspicious naturally.....I hate that feeling, and believe me I CAN feel it...it is very strong and that already gives us issues with me mistrusting him when he hasn't done a thing....we have been there 2-3 times in the time we have been together.I feel very confused about all of this stuff and the mind gets to working overtime with it not healthy for our relationship to have these feelings. What can one do, but remind yourself that the feelings are the cause of this aspect( mars/venus/pluto) ? Anyways, I will take a peek at your chart, Uranus square Sun: Some obstacle? Jupiter conjunction Uranus: A sudden windfall?with Jupiter coming into aspect with Uranus.Must go for now....I am also pleased we have connected yet again, will try to stick around live gets busy sometimes, never seems as though there are enough hours to attend to everything we want....  ~Peace & Blessings~ Sue

dear sue, you and your beloved are just fine. had you not read whatever information it is concering you where would your mind be now ? from what i've read- you've stated both of you respect each other and are growing together. this is sincere love. so you don't have the exact perspective on something- what of it ? these things are changing anyway. i mean no disrespect but from what i've read it also seems like you're really bothered by something that can't be confirmed as a reality- only that this fear exist in your mind. the time you've been together tells me there is a certain level of trust that is to be admired and sometimes it's nice to be reminded and to retrace your steps. relax and nurture not only your partner but yourself as well.

i'm sure things are fine now and that you've even found a remedy for yourself before my posting- just wanted say something
thanks 

Hey Dragonpie,
Thank you for your words of encouragement....redirection does sometimes help I find I need that at times, my mind does wander and makes a thought much worse than it actually is. Relaxing......... ~ Peace & Blessings~ Sue

[Starling]

Hey dragonpie helps us all look at others and and ourselves more beautifully!
But the truth be known Saturn helps us see the picture more clearly. It helps us learn
about ourselves and make improvements.

So I will prove just how true this is by making myself into an example.    What do you think
good old mr. lessons (Saturn) is teaching me rite now?  Close your eyes and guess.
Then I will answer you in  a later post.  We all have much to share we just have to sometimes be careful
how we share it.     

You see nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so. No anxiety!
Saturn can be our friend if we see him as helpful. The problem
is that we all have so much ego that it seems difficult and painful
when Saturn comes around to help us let it go.

So Starling... no fair looking at my chart. Just take a wild guess and if any of you
can come up with an answer...post it after this. I already gave clues here.
If we understsnd what the universe is going to be helping us with, we
have a lot more chance of going with the flow and using it to our benefit.
That is exactly my intention here. I am making use of this planet to
explain its meaning.

The Midnite Astrologer

See post below. It is the inspiration for this thread:

Ok....well in knowing that your ascendent is in the same house as mine and from past post I have read...Saturn is transiting your 6th house like it is mine.....in recalling a post you made to me a while back....my guess would be you are being more aware of what you eat, inability to exercise how you like, is a concern for you putting on weight and staying healthy.....? Did I cheat? LOL    ~Starling~

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Fascinating you are rite but that is not why I put your qoute with dragonpie here.
It is related to your communication with him.

[Starling]

Fascinating you are rite but that is not why I put your qoute with dragonpie here.
It is related to your communication with him.

OK....His communication is keeping me focused on my own path, you are helping me to understand. Sticking to the path despite the distractions and doubts, I gain mastery regardless of the outcome, knowing that some goals require us to plod through dread to generate more inner discipline.  Saturn is the "Great Teacher" ....I think this statement is taught you something.... "We all have much to share we just have to sometimes be careful how we share it."   My guess is you feel you shared to much when you made a statement that triggered bad feelings about my relationship?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Fascinating you are rite but that is not why I put your qoute with dragonpie here.
It is related to your communication with him.

OK....His communication is keeping me focused on my own path, you are helping me to understand. Sticking to the path despite the distractions and doubts, I gain mastery regardless of the outcome, knowing that some goals require us to plod through dread to generate more inner discipline.  Saturn is the "Great Teacher" ....I think this statement is taught you something.... "We all have much to share we just have to sometimes be careful how we share it."   My guess is you feel you shared to much when you made a statement that triggered bad feelings about my relationship?

Saturn is square my natal Mercury rite now. So yes I am having difficulty with time  (Saturn)
and the dynamic (square) flow of ideas. I am trying to bring it all together but
at times it comes in piecemeal so it can be looked at in a discouraging  manner.
I am also recieving a lot of input from others that it is helping me with my communication.
The Uranus transit to my Sun is very active also and the block you spoke of is true. Sudden
input is coming in from friends (the 11th house) that is exposing those blocks. All in all
it is a very creative and insightful period. By no means boring. Yet the challenge of the squares
and the frenetic energy of Uranus is quite apparent. Not a dull moment!

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Dragonpie and Starling: I wasn't sure how to reply to reply #1 in this thread or if I should.
But after meditating I decided i felt I knew what to say.

Astrology and omens are not for everyone. Or only small doses for some.Can you imagine
what omens the Indians must have seen when the white man attacted them.
Not all omens are friendly. Yet there is a saying: the truth will set you free.

In relationships we go thru various trials together.  If our relationship is strong it will
endure and we will perhaps even be stronger for it. If not it is probably time to
move on and there are times we need to know that. If I were, as an astrologer to only hand out sweets
you eventually would get tooth decay. So sometimes I give warnings in what I see.
So far Sue has expressed an interest If that interest goes away then I will stop talking to her about it.

However I do agree with Eric on one essential point: that is it is best to not cause undo
anxiety in anorher human being. There is a balance in everything and I am learning this
as well. We may see that balance differently yet we are trying to help each other find it.
So in that sense I appreciate Eric's views in these topics. He often influences me.

Jitendra

[Starling]

Dragonpie and Starling: I wasn't sure how to reply to reply #1 in this thread or if I should.
But after meditating I decided i felt I knew what to say.

Astrology and omens are not for everyone. Or only small doses for some.Can you imagine
what omens the Indians must have seen when the white man attacted them.
Not all omens are friendly. Yet there is a saying: the truth will set you free.

In relationships we go thru various trials together.  If our relationship is strong it will
endure and we will perhaps even be stronger for it. If not it is probably time to
move on and there are times we need to know that. If I were, as an astrologer to only hand out sweets
you evenrually would get tooth decay. So sometimes I give warnings in what I see.
So far Sue has expressed an interest If that interest goes away then I will stop talking to her about it.

However I do agree with Eric on one essential point: that is it is best to not cause undo
anxiety in anorher human being. There is a balance in everything and I am learning this
as well. We may see that balance differently yet we are trying to help each other find it.
So in that sense I appreciate Eric's views in these topics. He often influences me.

Jitendra

"I appreciate your knowledge and wisdom in relation to the stars,and truly enjoy the art of Astrology and our discussions with one another, I always have. I guess I was disturbed by something that has crossed my thoughts..... before you ever said anything (like Dragonpie said ..." bothered by something that can't be confirmed as a reality- only that this fear exist in your mind.") I am looking for answers and I have a zillion questions, some of which  I expressed in my reply to reply #1 to you ( my true feelings on this subject) I wasn't just venting anxiety...even though I tend to cause" myself" undo anxiety....I firmly believe that "Everyone is exactly where they are suppose to be". Maybe when Saturn gets to this trigger point, I will find some answers? I like the statement "You see nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so." I so often struggle with this...Dragonpie gave me good advice "to relax and nurture not only my partner but myself as well". I thank you both for your words of inspiration. ~Peace & Blessings~ A Lady Leo

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Starling maybe we could share the concept of chart comparison some more. I do believe that your husband is not completly
open with you because of the third house  Neptune to your 12th Sun in his chart. But for what reason is another matter.
Perhaps he just not want you ro know all  his health concerns.

Yes I do believe clarification will emerge as Saturn approaches his Neptune square your Sun. Have you noticed transiting
Neptune on his 7th cusp? It often takes years and years to know people even when they are our mates. When we find out
things that are hidden we do not always leave people. Sometimes we find ways to incorporate these dimensions into our lives
and at other times we do need to alter our relationships significantly. But first we must learn what we are dealing with before
all of that and ruining the relationship with suspician.
 
Let us look at your chart in isolation. We see that Saturn makes a square to all your planets in Leo. So your chart shows more
concern for your health... just as mine shows the same for me.

We seek harmony and truth in our relationships

Midnite Astrologer