Dory

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Welcome Dory. Care to tell us a little more about your interesting life?

Jitendra

[yoshi]

 

[yoshi]

And you. You have never never had a fantasy? Never Never Land. Have you not been there? Be careful sometimes what you wish for comes true. Did your fantasy just become too real?

sure i have had fantasies....yet i come back to reality afterward.  i do not let my fantasies carry me off to never never land and not return.  there seems to be different never never lands also.....mental and non mental.   

[Jitendra Hydonus]

And you. You have never never had a fantasy? Never Never Land. Have you not been there? Be careful sometimes what you wish for comes true. Did your fantasy just become too real?

sure i have had fantasies....yet i come back to reality afterward.  i do not let my fantasies carry me off to never never land and not return.  there seems to be different never never lands also.....mental and non mental.   

One important element that is being left out here.  That is, that all fantasies, whether mental or non mental must filter thru the hues and temperament of the mental apparatus to b conveyed and shaped into thoughts and words. So reality is still conditioned by what the mind's filter puts into it. As long as we r in these physical bodies we cannot divorce ourselves from the brain which is the instrument for all communication and cognizing reality.  While in the body the brain processes all the inspirations it has from spirit.  If you see a deeply spiritual man/woman get dementia or a mental illness you see that he/she is no longer able to convey the wisdom that was once there. This i have witnessed living in a monastery.

However as Eric (timely in nature) said in a different story below we can still smile even if we cannot express the truth we have found. We also witness the truth  of someone by their actions and treatment of other human beings.

Jitendra



    Bowl of Saki, January 6, by Hazrat Inayat Khan

Commentary by Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan

Truth is that which can never be spoken in words and that which can be spoken in words is not the truth. The ocean is the ocean; the ocean is not a few drops of water that one puts in a bottle. Just so truth cannot be limited by words: truth must be experienced...

   from  http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/IX/IX_34.htm


...the truth cannot be put into words; all we can do is make an effort to render the mystery of life intelligible to our minds.

   from  http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/V/V_12.htm


Very often people ask, "What is the nature of truth, is it a theory, a principle, a philosophy, or a doctrine?" All theories, philosophies, principles, and doctrines are only a cover over the truth. The ultimate truth is that which cannot spoken, for words are too inadequate to express it.

   ~~~ "Supplementary papers, Philosophy V", by Hazrat Inayat Khan (unpublished)


There is a well known Eastern legend giving the idea of a soul who had found truth. There was a wall of laughter and of smiles. This wall existed for ages and many tried to climb it, but few succeeded. Those who had climbed upon it saw something beyond, and so interested were they that they smiled, climbed over the wall and never returned. The people of the town began to wonder what magic could there be and what attraction, that whoever climbed the wall never returned. So they called it the wall of mystery. Then they said, 'We must make an enquiry and send someone who can reach the top, but we must tie him with a rope to hold him back.' When the man they had thus sent reached the top of the wall, he smiled and tried to jump over it, but they pulled him back. Still he smiled, and when the people eagerly asked, 'what did you see there?' he did not answer, he only smiled.

This is the condition of the seer. The man who in the shrine of his heart has seen the vision of God, the one who has the realization of truth, can only smile, for words can never really explain what truth means.

   from  http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VIII/VIII_2_7.htm
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