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« on: Nov 19, 2022 07:22 pm »

I was curious what you guys think... If there are ever any examples throughout our history where Masters might have been tricked by philanthropists, politicians, or mislead even by their own foresight?
Like being given a glimpse of something, but having interpreted the vision wrong or not completely grasping the meaning?

Can a Master ever be wrong?
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 19, 2022 07:40 pm »

I was curious what you guys think... If there are ever any examples throughout our history where Masters might have been tricked by philanthropists, politicians, or mislead even by their own foresight?
Like being given a glimpse of something, but having interpreted the vision wrong or not completely grasping the meaning?

Can a Master ever be wrong?

I think the question should be reversed when referring to Masters; can devotees be trusted to be right when contradicting a Masters advice?
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 19, 2022 09:00 pm »

Thanks for the question. I don't claim to be a devotee but can say plenty of students and teachers have been wrong.

What do you think? Are masters or avatars even capable of being wrong?
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 19, 2022 10:30 pm »

I think yes, masters can be wrong, like when Yogananda took Kryiananda as a disciple. That's my conclusion. Yogananda had his discrimination obfuscated by Satan himself.

There are more examples, like associating with traitors like Dhirananda and Nerode. Notwithstanding Sri Yukteswar's advise.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 19, 2022 10:47 pm »

I think yes, masters can be wrong, like when Yogananda took Kryiananda as a disciple. That's my conclusion. Yogananda had his discrimination obfuscated by Satan himself.

There are more examples, like associating with traitors like Dhirananda and Nerode. Notwithstanding Sri Yukteswar's advise.

You are welcome with your opinions mccoy. I am very grateful to Kriyananda for placing a free version of the AOY on the internet and starting the communities the Master said were necessary for the future. My understanding is that he won most of the law suits in the legal battle with SRF.

That is just one example. Yet I see that you see things in total contrast mccoy. I have a different outlook. Not all life is black and white. And I’ve been told by monks at SRF that Judas was also a spiritually high human being who lived with the guilt of being responsible for the death of Jesus for many incarnations, but he was liberated in the last century.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 20, 2022 12:43 am »

Thank you Mccoy for answering the question plainly. I appreciate that.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 20, 2022 08:27 am »

Thank you Mccoy for answering the question plainly. I appreciate that.

It’s nice to have experiences with people who meet your needs. I’m happy to see that here and am grateful for the happiness of all our friends here.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 20, 2022 11:09 am »

I think yes, masters can be wrong, like when Yogananda took Kryiananda as a disciple. That's my conclusion. Yogananda had his discrimination obfuscated by Satan himself.

There are more examples, like associating with traitors like Dhirananda and Nerode. Notwithstanding Sri Yukteswar's advise.

You are welcome with your opinions mccoy. I am very grateful to Kriyananda for placing a free version of the AOY on the internet and starting the communities the Master said were necessary for the future. My understanding is that he won most of the law suits in the legal battle with SRF.

That is just one example. Yet I see that you see things in total contrast mccoy. I have a different outlook. Not all life is black and white. And I’ve been told by monks at SRF that Judas was also a spiritually high human being who lived with the guilt of being responsible for the death of Jesus for many incarnations, but he was liberated in the last century.

It's nice to have different views otherwise our perception would not be challenged.

Kriyananda did some good things, I myself enjoyed very much my stay in Ananda, Nevada city, Como in Italy, Assisi in Italy. The fact is that the motive of his deeds were driven by Satan. The conclusion is that even the evil plots of Satan can produce something good. Conversely, even the good plots of the higher intelligences may have some negative outcome. This is planet earth. Perfection is impossible. Perfection makes dwelling on planet earth impossible. There are other planets which are just about perfect, like the Hyranialoka in the astral plane.

I also agree to disagree on Judas. He was sure highly evolved, but he had some negative traits which were leveraged by Satan. His role was fundamental in God's plot, but he had to pay karmically for having willingly accepted Satan's influence. A hefty karmic penance, then he was off the karmic hook and back to his previous lofty spiritual state. It sounds just about fair...
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 20, 2022 02:08 pm »

I think yes, masters can be wrong, like when Yogananda took Kryiananda as a disciple. That's my conclusion. Yogananda had his discrimination obfuscated by Satan himself.

There are more examples, like associating with traitors like Dhirananda and Nerode. Notwithstanding Sri Yukteswar's advise.

You are welcome with your opinions mccoy. I am very grateful to Kriyananda for placing a free version of the AOY on the internet and starting the communities the Master said were necessary for the future. My understanding is that he won most of the law suits in the legal battle with SRF.

That is just one example. Yet I see that you see things in total contrast mccoy. I have a different outlook. Not all life is black and white. And I’ve been told by monks at SRF that Judas was also a spiritually high human being who lived with the guilt of being responsible for the death of Jesus for many incarnations, but he was liberated in the last century.

It's nice to have different views otherwise our perception would not be challenged.

Kriyananda did some good things, I myself enjoyed very much my stay in Ananda, Nevada city, Como in Italy, Assisi in Italy. The fact is that the motive of his deeds were driven by Satan. The conclusion is that even the evil plots of Satan can produce something good. Conversely, even the good plots of the higher intelligences may have some negative outcome. This is planet earth. Perfection is impossible. Perfection makes dwelling on planet earth impossible. There are other planets which are just about perfect, like the Hyranialoka in the astral plane.

I also agree to disagree on Judas. He was sure highly evolved, but he had some negative traits which were leveraged by Satan. His role was fundamental in God's plot, but he had to pay karmically for having willingly accepted Satan's influence. A hefty karmic penance, then he was off the karmic hook and back to his previous lofty spiritual state. It sounds just about fair...

And what were  the motives of his deeds to support Paramahansa Yogananda’s works? What are the motives of his works to continue in the service of the Master despite a fringe group alway berating him and his organization? What is the motive of his work to the Autobiography of a Yogi online so like the BIBLE it is accessible to everyone, even those who may not be able to afford it? What is the motive of all his videos about Paramahansa Yogananda?

In fact I will go a step further and say I myself have seen that dark forces have been in my life. Does that mean that all my intentions here are marred forever? Or does it mean I am still attempting to take some of darkness out of my life and become enlightened? Am I doomed to be a tool of Satan because I continue to meditate and attempt to keep my mind on the Master and higher forces?

Aren’t we all under some energies of maya ( Satan if you like ) until we we ourselves become enlightened?

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 20, 2022 06:19 pm »

I would like to add, if anyone is to incarnate here- a 3D system governed by nature/duality- then no doubt an action will be perceived as contradictory or wrong, even if it is the right one. Someone will do what they think is right, and another will say it was wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 20, 2022 07:07 pm »

I would like to add, if anyone is to incarnate here- a 3D system governed by nature/duality- then no doubt an action will be perceived as contradictory or wrong, even if it is the right one. Someone will do what they think is right, and another will say it was wrong.

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« Reply #11 on: Nov 20, 2022 07:27 pm »

And what were  the motives of his deeds to support Paramahansa Yogananda’s works?

Because he was like a parasite, living off the teachings of the great masters and the elaborations of Paramahansa's work. A parasite has a survival interest in supporting its host. Anyway, I cannot see much support, that was more some kind of leverage of his short period as a disciple, neglecting his disastrous deed as a vice-president.

What are the motives of his works to continue in the service of the Master despite a fringe group alway berating him and his organization?

What were his motives pretending to be in the service of master, actually doing the opposite: pure narcissism mainly, a need of spiritual power, a need of revenge (for being expelled from SRF). Sure he didn't prove to be in the service of masters when he acted as a sexual predator in his village, it was a service to his own infalted ego and obscure, demonic desires.


In fact I will go a step further and say I myself have seen that dark forces have been in my life. Does that mean that all my intentions here are marred forever?
I have this reasoned impression that Kriyananda was an accomplice of dark forces well into his mature age. He has been a tool of Satan, with the aim to infiltrate the forces of evil into the SRF.

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 20, 2022 07:37 pm »

Perhaps you know mccoy… I cannot say that I do and I have found it to be a risky business justifying or judging and evaluating the motives and actions of those people who have had a seemingly good affect on my personal life. There may be karmic repercussions.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 02, 2023 06:48 pm »

Coming back to the original question of this thread, "Are Masters Ever Wrong?"

All masters are also still human beings. - Not speaking of any masters who might have fallen from grace in the eyes of a general public here.


If they are true masters, I found they can still be wrong.

This is an agreed-upon fact, I also became aware of when asking my personal masters about this.

They can especially be wrong (I have found), when it comes to general future predictions regarding world matters, and sometimes also their own fate, like giving their own date of demise, years ahead of the time.

What this shows (to me) is, that predetermination and living karmas aren't always in line, and there is always a potential for an adjustment of one's life conditions, i.e. to live longer than previously felt, or die earlier e.g.

General future (world) predictions seem to be much more of an unpredictable mess in this regard.

Speaking of this, although we all here might have felt that a true master can read ourselves like an open book, the omniscience-part in SAT-CHIT-ANANDA (truth-consciousness-bliss) may well be somewhat different than what meets our eye on our first intellectual glance, which our own (untrained) minds are able to grasp from early on, especially when we blindly believe in omniscience of a true master.

Just my 2 cents.

I would add one important factor that Amma (a true Master) put in the equation; God’s Grace. An unpredictable phenomena that is rather arbitrary from a human standpoint. Although, in all predictions and events taking place in the world, including personal events, Amma advised to pray for God’s grace.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 13, 2023 02:07 am »

Sometimes, a mystic or a master, will say one thing and do another. As an instrument of God, sometimes the spontaneous and hard to reason behavior appears to satisfy a greater picture we are not able to comprehend. Maybe it makes sense later, maybe even the mystic or master does not know why they behave in a seemingly contradictory manner... But in the end, we can say it was Gods will.

God uses us as he sees fit. Masters and disciples, Saints and sinners...

Perhaps a wrong action, isn't necessarily wrong.
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