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Sri Yukteswar Yuga Diagram; open thread please…

Looking at this pictorial ( if you touch the photo it appears larger ) we are in the beginning of the Bronze Age, going clockwise about 7 pm. As you can see we are still at a very low age comparatively speaking.

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Mccoy I would agree with you on all counts accept Nance Pelosi. Should we tell Chinese ‘statesmen’ they will not be tolerated going to Cuba? If we are not allowed to visit our friends-we are truly still in very dark times.

No from their state of consciousness they need energy from material sources and presently they are unable to get it from the source they rely on. When the flow of gas returns they could just as easily use it again. Fortunately they have a back up plan to laugh about when Trump made his many adversarial comments to others… which has caused much distrust in our country and unsettling attitudes of where and what we will do next, across the world.

Sorry Eric perhaps you can respond more clearly. It would be appreciated. Your last post is filled with ambiguity and differences difficult to respond to or assess.

Who knows maybe clarity will inspire us both! For now, I'm not interested in dragging out political discussion when that was not your intent. So what do you think this diagram means, what might we expect for humanities future? Are these eras cyclical? Is there anything else from Yuketswarji that describes the times we find ourselves in now?

For that I give an answer that Amma gave;

Inner attitude

Once we develop the attitude that "I am love, the embodiment of love," then we need not wander in search of peace for peace will come in search of us.“

And yes, about 10,000 years from now we will be in the highest Satya Yuga. When most people on earth will  know and live their divine order with the rest of human beings and then slow by slow, we will again descend and fall out of divine awareness as a race and will return slowly to the Kali Yuga we just started to come out of in the 17th century A.D.

More information on Sri Yukteswar’s Yugas…

The long count view of the yuga cycle with its vast time scale was challenged by the 19th/20th-century Indian yogi Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri, guru of Paramahansa Yogananda. Just read his book "The Holy Science" and it is the wide open reality of what we are today and we are going to be.


In his book, The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar explained that the descending phase of Satya Yuga lasts 4800 years, the Treta Yuga 3600 years, Dwapara Yuga 2400 years, and the Kali Yuga 1200 years. The ascending phase of the Kali Yuga then begins, also lasting 1200 years. The ascending phase of the Kali Yuga began in September 499 AD. Since September 1699, we have been in the ascending phase of the Dwapara Yuga, according to Sri Yukteswar.In The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar wrote that the traditional or long count view is based on a misunderstanding. He says that at the end of the last descending Dvapara Yuga (about 700 BC), "Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson [and]...together with all of his wise men...retired to the Himalaya Mountains... Thus there was none in the court...who could understand the principle of correctly accounting the ages of the several Yugas."

According to Sri Yukteswar, nobody wanted to announce the bad news of the beginning of the descending Kali Yuga, so they kept adding years to the Dvapara date (at that time 2400 Dvapara) only retitling the epoch to Kali. As the Kali began to ascend again, scholars of the time recognized that there was a mistake in the date (then being called 3600+ Kali, even their texts said Kali had only 1200 years). "By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva (or deva) years ("years of the gods"), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth. Hence according to these men 1200 years of Kali Yuga must be equal to 432,000 years of our earth."

Quoting from The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar states that our sun revolves round a grand center called Vishnunabhi, which is the seat of the creative power, Brahma, the universal magnetism. Brahma regulates Dharma, the mental virtue of the internal world. Sri Yukteswar states: ...the sun, with its planets and their moons, takes some star for its dual and revolves round it in about 24,000 years of our earth.... Essentially, When the sun in its revolution round its dual comes to the place nearest to this grand center, the seat of Brahma...the mental virtue, becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Spirit." Further, ...when the sun goes to the place in its orbit which is farthest from Brahma, the grand center...the mental virtue, comes to such a reduced state that man cannot grasp anything beyond the gross material creation. Paramahansa Yogananda, devotee of Sri Yukteswar, dates his forward in the book as 249 Dwapara (1949 AD). The period of 2400 years during which the sun passes through the 2/20th portion of its orbit is called Dwapara Yuga. Dharma, the mental virtue, is then in the second stage of development and is but half complete; the human intellect can then comprehend the fine matters of electricities and their attributes which are the creating principles of the external world."

https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/sri-yukteswars-teachings-on-the-yugas

What is vishnunabhi that Sri Yukteswar spoke of our Sun circling, that also is the direct cause of the yugas? I thought this section would be especially of interest to Eric and mccoy. Eric because he asked here (above and mccoy, because we have been studying the binary of our Sun for some time now, and the bottom of this entry brings an important perspective on our understanding and interests.

What is VishnuNabhi ?
In the modern Yuga theory proposed by yogis like Sri Yukteshwar Giri, Paramhansa Yogananda etc. they talk about Yugas being related to the seperation between the sun and something they called "VishnuNabhi". They said the "VishnuNabhi" is the source of creative power and as we move away from it, mental virtue decreases and we move from Satyug to Kaliyug.

( They also talk about it being cyclical and the distance constantly increasing and decreasing gradually and proposed a new theory of the Yuga cycle. But this is not my point right now. For now, I just want to know about this "VishnuNabhi" )

What is the object or spot in the galaxy/universe being referred to as "VishnuNabhi"?

Right now, it is being taken as the supermassive black hole at the centre of the Milky way galaxy by almost everyone. What is traditionally said about VishnuNabhi : "The navel of Vishnu" that can help understand what it is. What do the scriptures say? It need not be a physical object, but a special spot that holds some connection with the unmanifest dimension.
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The period of 2400 years during which the sun passes through the 2/20th portion of its orbit is called Dwapara Yuga. Dharma, the mental virtue, is then in the second stage of development and is but half complete; the human intellect can then comprehend the fine matters of electricities and their attributes which are the creating principles of the external world."

https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/sri-yukteswars-teachings-on-the-yugas

Kali yoga ended in 498 a.d. in 1698 A.D. Dwapara Yuga began. There was a transition time before  Dwapara yuga  began in 1698 A.D. Kali Yuga was Filled with war, famine and pestilence. We are now approximately 300 years into Dwapara Yuga. Dwapara Yuga ‘proper’ from 1898 till 4,098. In the Dwapara Yuga the annihilation of space will manifest.

The annihilation of space? Does it elaborate? I'm curious.

Yes Brother Achlinanda mentions that already we have gone from the airplane to the moon in the span of 50 years time. So what will the future bring? The Treta Yuga will bring the annihilation of time as well. Already I have many experiences with De Ja Vu which shows a clue of the dissipation of time as well.

Interesting. I'm not sure what going from the airplane to the moon means. Maybe you could explain it to me in laymans terms?

I wonder, is it possible to experience life beyond 3D while incarnate in 3D???

I believe the answer to be, yes.

Yes

The moon is much further than the distance an airplane flies and therefore we have already made great strides in overcoming space Think of it this way; since he made the comment we are now on other planets and have gone as far as Pluto.

On 3D… aren’t most our experiences expressed here beyond 3d?

I construe the 'annihilation of time' concept as the annihilation of space-time, which may be referred to as what we are doing right now. Discussing with space-time annihilated by the internet, which is electromagnetic transmission, which travels at the speed of light. We might do a video conference and annihilate spacetime as swell.

SY described Dwapara as the era of electricity, and we are witnessing the huge progress occurring in electronics and related applications.

Mccoy, those are wonderful examples. Thank you~

But I wonder, because things like telepathy are possible now- but will be more common place in a future where technology assist this reality... Like thoughts to text technology. Or thoughts to - whatever device, like thinking about turning on the lights to your house.

So... Could technological advances be misconstrued for literal interpretation?

Eric, I'm aware of Neuralink's research, that would fall into electronics, computer science and neuroscience, so it would constitute Dwapara stuff.

I'm not sure I understood your last question

Well, I think what I'm trying to ask is- can the annihilation of time and space be literal? Swami Vidyadhishanda has described monks that meditate in caves who can communicate with inter-dimensional beings. How is it that advanced life can operate outside of time and space? Might these creatures be less dense compared to lifeforms bound to linear time? Maybe one day we alleviate the load and transcend our 3D awareness. I'm not sure we need any technological, materialistic marvels to experience that. It seems one possible explanation of unidentified aerial phenomenon is that what we perceive in 3D is only a partial glimpse of a ship from a higher dimension.

Your points are valid, and I agree with them. Consistent and easy to understand. My point is, we don't need neuralink to realize the actuality behind telepathy. We don't need external devices to transcend space and time. What is astral travel??

OK, Eric, I understand, but before saying: "we don't need technology to experience telepathy or spacetime annihilation" we must be sure that we are actually capable of reading thoughts or teleporting our awareness everywhere we want. I may be very dumb or incapable, but after decades of meditation, I still cannot read thoughts or teleport my consciousness.

I don't think you're dumb. It's definitely a process, one that may take thousands of years to understand. I know topics like reincarnation were at one point shunned by religion. It's strange thing even today people are shy to share their experiences. What we have is a seed, and possibly a sprout. Yet we can look at Yogananda's example, who telepathically spoke with Sri Yukteswaraji form overseas in AoY. I do not claim to control my experiences. I don't claim mastery. I have had premonitions. Things that are random and make you question whether they have any importance. Like last night, I dreamt of my Sister. In my dream I tried to help her. After waking up, and by complete surprise, I learned she is coming to visit tonight.
There are events that happen in our lives that are hard to understand, and one day it'll come together and make sense. As if the hand of the divine had been there all along, a true guidance system.
I've had out of body experiences, and I have had moments where friends and I have confirmed things we were thinking about the other in the exact moment. LaurenLoo, a member here, has also experienced a bit of telepathy.

Our slightly scratching the surface, does not mean we are masters. Another example... I am always trying to go "UP" in my out of body experiences. To me this is a mark of my ignorance with the astral realm. When we are out of body, why do we feel the need to go up? Considering energy and mass are intertwined, these forms are just holograms. Waves. I've tried recreating my own OBE with little success, so it would seem there's something that needs understanding. But I am learning we don't always need to visualize, "projecting" out of our physical body.

Even the definitions of terms is not agreed upon. God being the most obvious example. So we have terminology we do not fully understand. Realms we've barley touched, and life experiences that are not welcomed in social circles.

To think we can experience telepathy like the Masters, or teleport like Babaji and his disciples, to me- is not impossible... I do think it is quite rare, and requires dedication and guidance. This entire topic is about entering in a new age. Maybe a thousand years from now this kind of knowledge will be more common place- and not dependent on external devices.

There is also a matter of Faith. One of my favorite expressions... If your faith is strong enough God will speak to you even in objects like stone. Yet if you haven't any faith, not even the God in Heavens can answer you. This power of belief, is a noble quality... And one that literally brings the magic of ALL GOD to life in most fascinating and wonderful ways.

Where you are and who you are is perfectly valid. Even the expression of doubt is a most healthy one. What matters is Living from the Heart. And in so doing, Love will reveal much.

I am learning more about the astral. I have my tentacles in all matter of interest, including in other forums. I am keeping an astral projection journal elsewhere... This persons reply has really helped me... And I think it says something about exploring uncharted realms with an open heart and mind.


http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/projection_journal_tides2dust_entries_past_experiences_notes_and_questions-t48007.0.html;msg377852#msg377852

Here, people from all over have come together to communicate about astral travel. Which validates your point and may even show the age we're in! How can I knock technological marvels? I am not trying to do that at all.. If anything, it is all a reflection of MIND. I am FOR technology. My gripe with technology is that it is MAN who has hindered our own progress, destroying zero point energy systems at an early age to prolong profit. Creating new systems that will enslave and not liberate. We have the technology to provide clean water, cure cancer and so much more... Yet we've kept the real marvels hidden- some are used for wars and others are used for those wealthy elite who consider themselves the "hands of destiny." Perhaps even another sign of the fact that we are still somewhat in dark ages. 

I wonder if you can go beyond the event horizon of a black hole by astral travel and return to describe the experience...

Again, I don't really have much control. I still think there needs to be a body similar to what we have in this physical reality and I'm learning that's not true. It's a process. I am having to unlearn what we learn in physical. Awareness isn't so... single-pointed. We are so anchored to our bodies we forget the larger Self capital S. I truly believe, ALL GOD. In the expression... Forms are many, Soul is One.

The only time I can recall shooting past the stars, was in 2008. I believe I was assisted, initiated by the peacock angel at the dream level. It took 10 years to realize that's what happened. And still I don't have the answers.

Whenever I try to go past the stars now, things become a blur and I fall out of the experience.

In 2008, when I shot past the stars- everything was tiny particles and geometric shapes. They moved in and out with the breath. That's when I realized the intimate reality of a Universe within.

Thanks to Steve for creating this forum, I was able to archive that experience here...
http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,822.msg4625.html#msg4625 3 dreams that have lead down a spiritual path

And even then I did not write about it until 2 years after the experience.

Mccoy, I wouldn't rely on others. Maybe you can pray to God and ask this question... Ask before you go to sleep, ask in prayer... Maybe answers will come. I like the astralpulse forum because it helps others who wish to experience an OBE.

In the end, I go back to my recent revelations... Truth is all there is and we're having a personal experience with it.

Your journey is unique, as are your interest- the way you understand and view life, and so much more. It's a beautiful thing.

<3 Pranams.

I have read (Robert Monroe) that in the higher ages most human beings here on earth are no longer confined by a body. Rather going into and out of bodies; they are used more or less as a reference point.

What I have found by observing your progress; is that you are a excellent social arbitrator. I am of the strong opinion that psychic feats, although quite fascinating, are not a sign of advanced spirituality. This is what I was told many times by monks and nuns. In fact their are those with ‘gifts’ of the spirit who do not use them wisely and therefore they ‘take a fall’ spiritually speaking. It can be a kind of ‘spiritual ego’ Still I can appreciate the experiences of Eric throughout his stay here and others with psychic abilities also. Although Paramahansa Yogananda spoke highly of the development of the reasoning capacity of human beings. He also spoke of the combination of reason and intuition as important to spiritual development. These qualities attract friends and people who seek council as they did for King Solomon. Even more important than psychic gifts developed by spiritual discipline.

We do not always choose what are gifts are in spirit , yet I have found,  if our interests take us in a certain direction because of our desires, we also may be given gifts and abilities in those areas. This I have found out through personal experiences. The test then becomes; how will we use such gifts and abilities. To serve our spiritual Self, or our desires?

To those who have been given: much is required! It is also expressed in the Bible slightly different;

The verse “From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked” comes from Luke 12:48 where it concerns knowing the Lord’s will for our life.

Darn right! With abilities, come responsibilities.

And with that, you say that a golden age is about 10,000 years from now... Wow.

And where we are, might well be reflected in this wisdom shared by Steve
Taken from,
http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,4401.0.html - Religious Gathekas
Hmm?

Since there are individuals no matter the age where it feels as if they're a message of Hope, I am talking about common place behavior and social constructs.

It interests me that at various times we can focus more easily on certain subjects and certain practices. The idea of the Yugas now has taken my interest.

Eric I would rather have the discussion you initiated at another thread continue here since you have included some very political actions and people in your last entry in another thread. Richard Nixon and Nelson Rockefeller are not any version of laudable spiritual integrity and cannot be mentioned without incredible distaste to most young people living during that time. Since you included my comment to Patrick-out of context - it really doesn’t warrant any response here.

I do think that this is a good place to discuss the yugas. Actions such as what happened at Attica and Kent State, reflect remnants of the Kali Yuga and dark ages hanging over into the bronze or Dwapara Yuga we presently are experiencing.

Thanks for all the information on your background! We grew up here with the horror of the Viet Nam War, not to mention all the other sham wars to protect the investments of the riche around the world. Afghanistan and Iraq included. I see Ukraine as something different, I mean, the U.S. also was involved with WWII but we were attacked by Japan and Ukraine was attacked by Russia. The French helped us in our Revolutionary War so I see it as part of other countries responsibility that enjoy freedom to help other free loving nations. And to not ignore their calls for help as we asked for help, in our war for democracy. Until we are one world any alien race would see us as quite barbaric. Yogananda predicted there would one day be a United States of the World. But recall that the Bhagavad Gita took place in a higher age then even now, and that too was a war.

My humble opinions here. Your country was towed away by a minority of power hungry people. The same thing that has happened here with Furhrer Trump. Fortunately we have kept him from expanding his ego ambitions for the future to overthrow our democracy in the same way that Hitler and his Nazi party caused hell to Europe.


Most spiritual authorities put Krishna’s birth at approximately 5,000 years ago, which was in at least, a period that was comparable to today, it was in the descending Dwapara Yuga. Today we are in the ascending Dwapara Yuga.

The Gita is generally considered to pre-date. The Christian era. The testimony of the Mahabharata itself is that the Kurukshetra War took place toward the end of the Dwapara yoga, when the world was on the verge of descending into the dark age of the Kali Yuga. ~Yogananda; God talks with Arjuna

I have to disagree with your assessment Steve, as a voice that surely represents more than my own- many people voted for Donald Trump and believe what is happening to him is the most unAmerican thing we've ever witnessed. That being said, I don't think Ukraine is different, but more so a protection of special interest and that the majority of Americans do not agree with the endless spending- I don't think we're creating or defending freedom but erecting a new system that is more totalitarian in nature.

Our constitution says we can legally overthrow a government if it becomes tyrannical. It would appear the US is in constant battle with itself, and should figure things out before it goes to war under the guise of preserving the freedom of other nations while we ourselves are witnessing an attack upon the ideals this nation was founded. Corporations and governments and corrupt DA's work together and have more control over individual liberties than what I think is permissible. Right now you can be persecuted for showcasing your Christian values(something this nation was founded on- the forefathers of the Constitution believed in Christian ideals) but you will be glorified for showcasing your LGBTQ religious identity. Bonus points if you're a person of color. This is just one example...

Sorry to interrupt with a not so popular opinion- but the overall message I am trying to relay is- myself and many others here do not support the Ukraine war, many here do not believe Joe Biden to be a legitimate president. We are a crippled nation, and we are losing more and more liberties every day. If we are at such odd ends as a people, what authority do we have to dictate wars of other nations?

The election was clearly not rigged and there is overwhelming evidence that Biden won by over 5,000,000 votes. And also an overwhelming electoral vote. What more can anyone say for poor losers? The only tyrants were the MAGA people. Make America Great Again, at the cost of the rest of the world. Thanks God there are folks in this country who want to see us have a great nation that recognizes the needs of others, and not just the selfish interests of Americans. A country that works together with other great countries to never let other countries invade and oppress other nations.

An outside observer from a far away planet would naturally see our world yet as a barbaric threat to cosmic order with not even yet able to have global community. But I see Paramahansa Yogananda’s prediction of a United States of the World becoming a reality in the near future with the United Nations and for instance NATO working towards such goals, and willing to defend other nation/states in their attempt to break the deadlock control of tyrants who want to control and manipulate people to selfish agendas of national interests over world order and a community of cosmic worlds working in divine order for our individual liberation. I see the days of glorifying tyrants, as Fuhrer Trump did through out his lifetime goals and temporary presence coming to an end, the days of glorifying ego which indeed Fuhrer Trump did in many of his speeches and his book. Ego is are ultimate enemy in the pursuit of divine enlightenment. Those who put their ego 😤 above the needs and aspirations of the common people will more and more be recognized as a curse against humanity and divine realization. It is not the ego we worship here, but rather humility and spiritual realization and expression.

Being Christian is only one path to this goal, and not the one and only one that so many Christians have touted for centuries on this planet. We now must look beyond such egotistical beliefs that do not tolerate the views of others, and which have caused some of the most excruciating suffering and caused a backlash against religion and spirituality around the world. I simply find no connection at all with a man that glorifies his own ego in the name of his religion.

“Love is what we are born with. Fear is what we learn. The spiritual journey is the unlearning of fear and prejudices and the acceptance of love back in our hearts. Love is the essential reality and our purpose on earth. To be consciously aware of it, to experience love in ourselves and others, is the meaning of life. Meaning does not lie in things. Meaning lies in us.”
― Marianne Williamson Presidential candidate for the U.S. in 2024.

And let me add that meaning does not end with personal ego as Donald Trump would have us believe. This is a very poor spiritual example to others. With letting go of ego comes the birth of spirituality. With ego comes selfish acquisition having more and more to ourselves, and false identity. His constant role model has been to belittle others. Let us instead know that…

We are not here to fix, change or belittle another person. We are here to support, forgive and heal one another.

Marianne Williamson

Ego says, "Once everything falls into place, I'll feel peace". Spirit says, "Find your peace, and then everything will fall into place".

We cannot give what we do not have: We cannot bring peace to the world if we ourselves are not peaceful. We cannot bring love to the world if we ourselves are not loving. Our true gift to ourselves and others lies not in what we have but in who we are.

Marianne Williamson, presidential candidate 2024

How horribly skewed and untrue. You only prove we are at odds end as a nation. You have tyrants posing as the saviors of humanity, and people who don't know the difference. Our freedoms are under attack and our moral authority is lacking, our nation has been occupied by a hostile threat. We are not saving the people of Ukraine, we are not defending freedom. We are under attack.

The entire World is under attack by a special interest looking to maintain their wealth as the kings of this global hegemony. Depopulation and Digital ID are the worldwide goal. They will succeed. But they will not maintain their power.

The US has fallen. It has yet to be seen whether we will ever restore our country as the land of the free and home of the brave. The banana republic is here.

Well I applaud ‘controlling’ population for the earths survival and ultimately our survival. And I would agree with you that there are group of people wanting to maintain their wealth and incidentally increase it, Trump being one of them. The hostile threat being his attempted overthrow of the government with his MAGA supporters. I do hope the banana republic is successful here. I consider that a compliment to the American people. It is about time we respect the sovereignty of nations others than our own. You may not think we are defending the freedom of Ukraine but ask the soldiers willingly sacrificing their lives to have freedom from the invasion of their country, by a tyrannical dictatorship. I do not consider myself a moral authority, do you? I agree with you; “our freedom is under attack” First amendment, freedom of speech and religion. So must we accept just the religious views of the Christian right just because they are the most powerful religion in the United States?

“We need a new burst of freedom, we need a whole uprising of consciousness among the American people,”

~Marianne Williamson

Back to working on myself.

Steve,

I suspect you also applaud the modification of human genetics to render people allergic to meat. Or to poison water supply and disrupt the endocrine system. Or to cull the population with experimental injections. Never mind the mental and physical health issues that unfold- so as long as that population is controlled by any means, right?

We have eugenicist who do not believe in God or have Faith in creation and believe it is their duty to commit the atrocities that have been perpetuated on a mostly unaware populace.

I suppose this is the drama we find ourselves in.

Here's a question I have...

Which is considered most dutiful? Fighting in some war with others over matters we don't really know- or taking the fight within to liberate ourselves from Ego/World Drama, to learn and to know God?

Fuhrer Trump?

Steve, the comparison is funny but I believe not very close to reality.

Trump is a picturesque guy who spoke what he thought and therefore hated by many. I don't like him particularly and he has shot himself in the foot after the facts of Capitol Hill, revealing to be not too cunning. However, he represented about 50% of Americans, who wanted in power a figure which was less political and more business-like. And who disliked the excesses of the left. He had to have some qualities to become the POTUS.

Hitler was a totally different ballgame. A sinister personage, inspired by a powerful demon, who was able to deceive most Germans and above all the Catholic Church. And he was proud of the latter. He was voted chancellor by 90% of Germans if I'm not wrong, Uwe will correct me in case.

Hitler was a demonic genius, dedicated to the obliteration of a whole ethnic group, who organized an invincible army. After a few years though his brain started to lose the initial efficiency, maybe it was the result of the demonic suggestions, which ended up destabilizing his mind. And causing his doom, together with the ruin of a whole nation, with the facts recounted by Uwe that are well known.

Trump seems to be nothing like that. He was not too cunning, nor evil, as the facts have shown.

First your suspecting is quite an assumption to make and it does not fit any speculative narrative I would imagine, so to avoid further speculation I find it better to ignore it. I will say that many such people that take your position justify it as a means of forcing others to close all avenues of birth control and curbing all government programs to have sensible financial aid to people attempting to solve the problem. This is all to avoid further suffering to others and ourselves through a rat mentality ( regarding overpopulation) of stuffing our earth with the invasive species we have now become.

Lastly sometimes we do not have a choice in our fights. They often come to us by provocation, anger from others, and misunderstanding, so we have no choice but to respond. Or to be further misunderstood by others observing our submissive lack of moral courage in the face of evil threats, treatment and ego aggrandizing aggression. And as the saying goes, a friend in need is a friend indeed. So yes I would defend you, if you were facing those kind of threats. Would you do the same for me? Answers Brother can be impossible if we are told what our choices are to be in our replies. There are always solutions that some people refuse to consider and choices some people make that do not involve spiritual solutions.

If you're asking me to answer my question- it is this,

I do not believe in fighting wars outside my self. I consider it more dutiful to find peace and faith in God than to kill other human beings. Men, Women... Children...

I am doing a justice to the world by not killing- by meditating, by practicing kindness and by sharing Gods Love as I come to understand it. I also believe I am liberating my self from the worlds drama, the continual churning of the wheel.

Personally, I think War is a tale as old as man- and by participating in it, you continue your life in the drama. You can source the GITA all you want- justify whatever you need. I am talking about my personal belief, and you are not forced to practice what I believe.

There may come a time where action is spurred from me and I am behaving differently from what I am writing. This is where I'm at right now.

I hope you watch the movie Man of God, I just shared it. People accuse him of so many things- doing nothing, not speaking up. Except that never stopped him from being Good to others and those around him. People begged him to take a place on the worlds stage- instead he worked miracles in places nobody wanted. God used him in ways different than what he wanted and what people expected.

People will accuse you of anything- I've experienced it, and recently- and thankfully I am not so attached that I feel I belong to this reality they are painting. But I notice, whether we want to or not, we are used in ways we don't always want or expect. And people form their meanings about us, for themselves... And they usually don't see us but something inside themselves that needs understanding.

By continuing to practice what I believe in, I am freed from the associations even if the other is totally convinced in their line of reasoning. It doesn't matter to me, it only matters I continue to seek, experience and learn God.

I had a young man threaten me with a gun on black friday last year. I had the option to pull him into me and physically defend myself. Instead I looked in his eyes and felt the Lord. He ended up walking away. Yes he was cussing up a storm and probably assumed I was some submissive push over. But no one was hurt, and both of us got to walk away and experience another day. I thank God for his blessings regularly...

The real president of the United States
Larry Fink
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mvh4o6x3-GQ&feature=share7

ESG's and control

I listened to some of this, there is a counter I have for it. Larry Fink says we can take care of the bullies, in the meantime how does he address the bully in his bunkers in Moscow? And how do we deal with the wealth and power of the wealthy class in this nation when people elect a man that is one of the wealthiest persons in the world and who, by the way, gave some of the greatest tax breaks to the rich in history?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/08/11/wealthiest-netted-billions-trump-tax-cut-they-helped-write-report

Wealthiest Netted Billions From Trump Tax Cut They Helped Write: Report
ProPublica's new investigation reveals how the pass-through businesses deduction benefited the nation's richest.
ANDREA GERMANOS
Aug 11, 2021

A ProPublica investigation published Wednesday shows how Republican lawmakers and industry groups maneuvered to secure in the 2017 GOP tax law provisions that delivered billions in tax cuts benefiting the nation's uber-wealthy, including top political donors.

"The flurry of midnight deals and last-minute insertions of language resulted in a vast redistribution of wealth into the pockets of a select set of families, siphoning away billions in tax revenue from the nation's coffers," wrote Justin Elliott and Robert Faturechi.

Formally known as The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, the legislation passed at "warp speed" and was signed into law by President Donald Trump at the end of 2017, slashing the corporate tax rate and the top individual rate. The law's critics dubbed it the GOP Tax Scam--a characterization strengthened by subsequent analyses showing how the tax code revisions brought about a massive economic windfall for the rich and corporations.

As you see from above ⬆️ the tax breaks given to corporations that Larry Fink mentions in the video were handed out by Fuhrer Trump. This is a honest look at the MAGA people who supported huge tax breaks fo the rich 🤑 to make America Great again? Think again.

There are politicians and politicians–those puny ones who cater to the mob sentiment and who put the national mansion on a loose foundation; but men like LINCOLN and Washington have always tried to solidify the foundations of the national mansions with the eternal rock of truth and spirituality.  ~ Paramahansa Yogananda


This is my take on it mccoy; Paramahansa Yogananda spoke a lot about the inception of this country and the purpose in history of such people like Washington who was given the chance to be a king or at least reign for a lifetime. He didn’t take it and held on to an ideal which changed the world forever including the politics of Italy today. Then we have this monster who comes into office and wants to revert history backwards by being an emperor again and praises fascism and political tyrants. The man is despicable mccoy. If it was up to him we’d be clearly back in the Kali Yuga and praising the ego again. He is an extremely dangerous person to humanity’s progress forward. He attempted to destroy democracy and put in thugs to run the government. He is everything this country was never envisioned as. He is a criminal and attempted to make the United States a dictatorship.

There is no hope for humanity if we let tyrants like XI, Jung Un,Trump and Putin thrive. We are now clearly in the Dwapara Yuga. It would be better to die violently then to go back to the days that empowered czars, kings and dictators. This tread is about the yugas. Let us clearly understand where we are historically. We are in the Bronze Age. Let us not have to be living again in the age, where ten thousand Christians were said to have been crucified by the Romans.

How ever true it was we don’t need any more Roman Emperor Decius’ on this planet. Donald Trump has no remorse, no conscience to tell him he did something wrong. For him; he is always right. He shows no spiritual qualities what so ever.
 
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Attributes: Crown of martyrdom, Martyr's palm
Canonized: Pre-Congregation
Feast: 22 June
Patronage: Persecuted Christians
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Steve, you made yourself clear and in a way, I agree with your reasonings but I'm afraid I'll have to stop here, since I don't live in the States, I could not follow all the vicissitudes of D. Trump and his presidency and I must trust you with your details.

I just think it's time to move on; sometimes, if I can say that and you take no offense, you seem too obsessed with him.

Time to move on when he’s dead and gone.
And I’m a poet who needs to show it!
The Fuhrer still wants to rule.
And make a kingdom
again of fools

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/feb/07/donald-trump-list-legal-cases


I take no offense;  in the same way that President Lincoln changed the idea of slavery forever in the world’s mind because of his obsession with emancipation so George Washington changed the idea of kingdoms because of his obsession with being free from King George. I’m in good company. Let freedom ring forever, from all tyranny!

Trump's Post-Election Pardons List: War Criminals, Crooked Politicians And Family;

Fuhrer Trump pardons many criminals; https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-pardons-allies-law-enforcement-mueller-investigation_n_5fe4eaf7c5b6acb5345775d5