Silencing the Body

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I have found that Kriya Yoga is the best technique for me to silence the body and as a result to interiorize the mind on inner perceptions. At times my body falls asleep while awareness is still active.

[mccoy]

I have found that Kriya Yoga is the best technique for me to silence the body and as a result to interiorize the mind on inner perceptions. At times my body falls asleep while awareness is still active.

Unfortunately, I had many difficulties in silencing the body that way, negative karmic influences I presume.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I have noticed that the mind out of control is a result of wrong thinking and wrong reasoning that causes restless thoughts that intrude on the consciousness of the devotee in meditation. Quite often a total change in consciousness is needed to bring the mind back into control and once again experience the bliss and peace that Passeth all understanding in meditation.

[mccoy]

Steve, it didn't work in my case, I tried everything. However, I must say that even though I've not been bestowed with experiences and bliss and silencing, perhaps I've been bestowed with wisdom, or Jnana. I find that my general grasp of the cosmic movie and God's vast spheres of thought is much more complete and refined now than when I was a youngster. Of course there si the empirical input of age, but I feel that is not all.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, it didn't work in my case, I tried everything. However, I must say that even though I've not been bestowed with experiences and bliss and silencing, perhaps I've been bestowed with wisdom, or Jnana. I find that my general grasp of the cosmic movie and God's vast spheres of thought is much more complete and refined now than when I was a youngster. Of course there si the empirical input of age, but I feel that is not all.

As you know we have very different views of the cosmic movie. I have a complex history of past meditation experiences because I feel I had most of my spiritual experiences when I was younger. But at the same time I felt that I had struggles staying awake and nodding off during meditation. Today, partially I believe because of not working so much, I do not find myself falling asleep at all during meditation. But I am not sure about my experiences. Although I must say I feel more balanced about the stress involved in living. And more comfortable with myself in that sense.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I also feel that since we are somewhat bound by physical bodies we should recognize that the bodies acclamations often determine a rather inspiring meditation or a struggle with our thoughts.

For instance I am often much better off in the vibration and presence of other devotees meditating and chanting together. Or if that is not possible-picking a time of morning when it is quiet 🤫 and others are sleeping as well as noise and traffic are at a minimum. Also finding settings out in nature that are conducive to natural sounds and atmospheres that enhance meditation.

There is another factor involved here. They are cosmic forces in the manifestation of planetary movements that can also influence and affect our meditation practice. As I’ve mentioned before mccoy you are going through a major astrological transformation of personal values. This is taking a toll on the mind’s activity as well.

[mccoy]

There is another factor involved here. They are cosmic forces in the manifestation of planetary movements that can also influence and affect our meditation practice. As I’ve mentioned before mccoy you are going through a major astrological transformation of personal values. This is taking a toll on the mind’s activity as well.

Of course we cannot exclude this other possibility

[weboflife]

Kriya is an amazing tool to silence the mind to a greater or lesser degree depending on circumstances leading up to meditation, as Steve has pointed to. This morning for example I had a somewhat hard time in the preliminary techniques and even struggled with thoughts when doing my kriyas, so I guess there was that expectation that stillness is going to be tough. And monkey mind did roll on somewhat but there was also profound stillness and even a little bliss intermixed in there. When I looked at the clock I had exceeded the allowed period and I was somewhat amazed at how quickly it all passed. I then felt a strong connection in the ensuing devotional period, although I'm a little loathe to mention these things as it is very private and I'm conflicted as to whether I should even press "post".

[mccoy]

Weboflife, I think it's all right, after all you didn't provide details regarding your experiences. From my side, I realize that my mind must be refractory to meditation and Kryia. After 40 years of practice, it never had that effect on me, never silenced body and mind, never caused some deep metaphysical states.
Maybe, as I was hinting in another post, the effect of my efforts was a subtle augmentation of the qualities of discrimination and wisdom, I find I can elaborate information, grasp more of the cosmic drama, and form conceptual models probably very close to God's vast spheres of thought.

The above might sound dictated by mental pride but I'll make it very clear that I would greatly prefer having metaphysical experiences and deep states of bliss instead of these glimpses of greater wisdom.

However, we know that, what God provides, we must accept.

[weboflife]

O yes, McCoy, we just need to be receptive to whatever comes our way, She gives and we take or swallow as the case may be.

And don't get me wrong, I have much trouble with meditation. I've had a little glimpse into what might be possible. but I can be awfully cerebral and trapped in a mire of thoughts for hours at a time without any hope of focusing. A troubled youth and no doubt many lives of living in a state of letting the mind go wherever it pleases. I'm only 20 years into the kriya journey, some days I feel 20 more lives at least of practicing the technique will be needed. But that's negative thinking, I'm trying to learn to just give all I can and expect nothing...easier said than done! And if all I can give is a scattered mind and attention then I offer it at the end as that's all I have to give.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

O yes, McCoy, we just need to be receptive to whatever comes our way, She gives and we take or swallow as the case may be.

And don't get me wrong, I have much trouble with meditation. I've had a little glimpse into what might be possible. but I can be awfully cerebral and trapped in a mire of thoughts for hours at a time without any hope of focusing. A troubled youth and no doubt many lives of living in a state of letting the mind go wherever it pleases. I'm only 20 years into the kriya journey, some days I feel 20 more lives at least of practicing the technique will be needed. But that's negative thinking, I'm trying to learn to just give all I can and expect nothing...easier said than done! And if all I can give is a scattered mind and attention then I offer it at the end as that's all I have to give.

It is more important to give the mind to meditation then politics.Worldly people make us into worldly thought machines.The restless thoughts of the western mind are stirred  up by politicans who have nothing better to do than to stir up the minds of all the citizens with thoughts for the public with conquest and the filth of greed and covedness: hardly a recipe to spiritual awakenig. It shows a lack of understanding of service to Mother Earth and humanity, rather instead glutony, acquisition and greed for more power and so called wealth in physical terms instead of spiritual understanding.No wonder most of the wealth  comes out of the east and from specificaĺly India where buzz words and thoughts are how to find humilty and grace rather than making 'America Great Again' ánd filling the coffers of the rich with more maya and delusion and the rest of society with desire to emulate such ignorance.

[mccoy]

And if all I can give is a scattered mind and attention then I offer it at the end as that's all I have to give.

yes, I agree, that's the right attitude!

[weboflife]

O yes, McCoy, we just need to be receptive to whatever comes our way, She gives and we take or swallow as the case may be.

And don't get me wrong, I have much trouble with meditation. I've had a little glimpse into what might be possible. but I can be awfully cerebral and trapped in a mire of thoughts for hours at a time without any hope of focusing. A troubled youth and no doubt many lives of living in a state of letting the mind go wherever it pleases. I'm only 20 years into the kriya journey, some days I feel 20 more lives at least of practicing the technique will be needed. But that's negative thinking, I'm trying to learn to just give all I can and expect nothing...easier said than done! And if all I can give is a scattered mind and attention then I offer it at the end as that's all I have to give.

It is more important to give the mind to meditation then politics.Worldly people make us into worldly thought machines.The restless thoughts of the western mind are stirred  up by politicans who have nothing better to do than to stir up the minds of all the citizens with thoughts for the public with conquest and the filth of greed and covedness: hardly a recipe to spiritual awakenig. It shows a lack of understanding of service to Mother Earth and humanity, rather instead glutony, acquisition and greed for more power and so called wealth in physical terms instead of spiritual understanding.No wonder most of the wealth  comes out of the east and from specificaĺly India where buzz words and thoughts are how to find humilty and grace rather than making 'America Great Again' ánd filling the coffers of the rich with more maya and delusion and the rest of society with desire to emulate such ignorance.

Hey Steve, I agree it can be a quagmire getting involved in the western obsession with power and politics but I tend to stay away from these things nowadays. I get news headlines and perhaps watch the news once a month. I subscribe to the New York Times mainly because I like their word puzzles (very mundane, I know, but we do need balance) and occasionally I'll read an article if it interests me. Otherwise the power struggles I surrender to God, I'm sure we are in safe Hands no matter how bad things can appear. I realise you feel you have a mission in exposing the darkness as you see it and I do wonder how that mindset affects your own meditation at times but that's your concern, not mine. I know I would be getting caught up thinking about all of this when I should be meditating but that's probably superimposing my own picadillos onto you.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I don’t really see it that way Web. I actually find it thought provoking to introspect on just how much exposing the darkness that surrounds us affects for instance omeditation. I know in one way it makes me feel empathy for people like Kara Murza  who have shown incredibly high degrees of ethical and moral standards to the rest of humanity. So often I pray for such people.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I'm sure we are in safe Hands no matter how bad things can appear. I realise you feel you have a mission in exposing the darkness as you see it and I do wonder how that mindset affects your own meditation. - Weboflife

Words of wisdom dear friend and may i add a verse from tbe Bible that agrees with your observation?

Psalm 37[a]

Of David.

1 Do not fret because of those who are evil
    or be envious of those who do wrong;
2 for like the grass they will soon wither,
    like green plants they will soon die away.
3 Trust in the Lord and do good;
    dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
4 Take delight in the Lord,
    and he will give you the desires of your heart.
5 Commit your way to the Lord;
    trust in him and he will do this:
6 He will make your righteous reward shine like the dawn,
    your vindication like the noonday sun.
7 Be still before the Lord
    and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
    when they carry out their wicked schemes.
8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
    do not fret—it leads only to evil.
9 For those who are evil will be destroyed,
    but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land.
10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
    though you look for them, they will not be found.
11 But the meek will inherit the land
    and enjoy peace and prosperity.
12 The wicked plot against the righteous
    and gnash their teeth at them;
13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
    for he knows their day is coming.
14 The wicked draw the sword
    and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
    to slay those whose ways are upright.
15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
    and their bows will be broken.
16 Better the little that the righteous have
    than the wealth of many wicked;
17 for the power of the wicked will be broken,
    but the Lord upholds the righteous.
18 The blameless spend their days under the Lord’s care,
    and their inheritance will endure forever.
19 In times of disaster they will not wither;
    in days of famine they will enjoy plenty.
20 But the wicked will perish:
    Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field,
    they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.
21 The wicked borrow and do not repay,
    but the righteous give generously;
22 those the Lord blesses will inherit the land,
    but those he curses will be destroyed.
23 The Lord makes firm the steps
    of the one who delights in him;
24 though he may stumble, he will not fall,
    for the Lord upholds him with his hand.
25 I was young and now I am old,
    yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken
    or their children begging bread.
26 They are always generous and lend freely;
    their children will be a blessing.
27 Turn from evil and do good;
    then you will dwell in the land forever.
28 For the Lord loves the just
    and will not forsake his faithful ones.
Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed[c];
    the offspring of the wicked will perish.
29 The righteous will inherit the land
    and dwell in it forever.
30 The mouths of the righteous utter wisdom,
    and their tongues speak what is just.
31 The law of their God is in their hearts;
    their feet do not slip.
32 The wicked lie in wait for the righteous,
    intent on putting them to death;
33 but the Lord will not leave them in the power of the wicked
    or let them be condemned when brought to trial.
34 Hope in the Lord
    and keep his way.
He will exalt you to inherit the land;
    when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it.
35 I have seen a wicked and ruthless man
    flourishing like a luxuriant native tree,
36 but he soon passed away and was no more;
    though I looked for him, he could not be found.
37 Consider the blameless, observe the upright;
    a future awaits those who seek peace.[d]
38 But all sinners will be destroyed;
    there will be no future[e] for the wicked.
39 The salvation of the righteous comes from the Lord;
    he is their stronghold in time of trouble.
40 The Lord helps them and delivers them;
    he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
    because they take refuge in him.