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« Reply #15 on: Nov 24, 2024 09:57 pm »

Steve, my comment is that Mr. Michael Cohen does not appear to be a man of moral rectitude and honesty. He lied multiple times and he was convicted.

So, when Wikipedia reads:

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Cohen said he violated campaign-finance laws at Trump's direction "for the principal purpose of influencing" the 2016 presidential election.

What value has the report of a liar?

I also listened to a podcast with prosecutors on the accountancy minutiae of legal fees, reimbursements, non-disclosure agreements and so on. Mr. Trump also apparently was ill-advised by his attorneys.

All we can say about Mr. Trump is that he didn't exhibit great discrimination in hiring Mr. Cohen.

On the other side, Mr. Trump did exhibit discrimination in refusing to make him chief of staff...

I also read the lengthy Wikipedia voice, I couldn't find many relevant points about alleged crimes from Mr. Trump
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 24, 2024 10:27 pm »

Tracking the criminal cases of Dishonest Don.

For the first 234 years of the nation’s history, no American president or former president had ever been indicted. That changed in 2023. Over a five-month span, former President Donald Trump was charged in four criminal cases. Together, the indictments accused him of wide-ranging criminal conduct before, during and after his presidency. One of those indictments has now led to the first criminal conviction of a former president; the other three remain pending. This is POLITICO’s guide to the four Trump criminal cases:

https://politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/


Mccoy this is for your review. Since you seem to have a hard time understanding the validity of my statements. And continue to deny the criminal investigations into Donald Trump and some how find validity to his being beneficial to the United States of America.
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 25, 2024 05:49 pm »

Thanks Steve for linking this well-written page on the Politico Journal. I've read first the 'hush money' issue, since it's the only verdict of guilt issued, first degree of judgment as clearly illustrated in the article.

I'll tell you that the case seems to be meaningless, for a person accused to be like Hitler. It is some administrative misdimeanour which has been turned criminal by political biased prosecutors, in my opinion. It is all explained in the Politico article.

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n New York, the bare-bones crime of falsifying business records is a misdemeanor. But it becomes a felony if the defendant falsified the records with the intent to commit or conceal a separate underlying crime. Prosecutors charged Trump with felony-level falsifying business records, and they said he falsified the records to conceal a separate violation of a New York election law that prohibits conspiring to promote a political candidate (in this case, Trump himself) through “unlawful means.” The hush money to Daniels, prosecutors said, was unlawful because it violated campaign finance laws. And they said Trump’s reimbursement arrangement to Cohen violated tax laws as well.

34 felony counts of New York Penal Law § 175.10: Falsifying business records in the first degree

The politico article, well written and I apparently unbiased, also reports strengths and weaknesses of the case.

I've listened to a Megyn kelly podcast with the accountancy minutiae of the case, it's downright ludicrous that they charged Mr. Trump with a crime when it was just an administrative misdeamenour. Also, as I wrote previously, according to the prosecutors interviewed in the Megyn Kelly show, he was probably ill-advised by his first attorney.

All in all, this first case which proliferated into 34 criminal felonies constitutes a blatant abuse of the judicial power, carried out by Democrat judges and jurors, in a state where Democrats by far prevail, undoubtedly with the purpose to eliminate Mr. Tump from the political arena.

We can discuss all other cases, but this first one is a joke.

I'll link the Megyn Kelly show which is full of legal technicalities, the first part must be skipped because there si an interview with an influencer.

From 51 minutes.

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« Reply #18 on: Nov 25, 2024 08:49 pm »

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I’m not sure what you mean by “ the only verdict of guilt issues “ since Donald Trump has never admitted to any guilt for anything that I am aware of, which only strengthens my view that he is an egomaniac which has led his judgment so far astray.

Other X users replied to that X post in agreement, with comments such as: "No he hasn't" and: "Yep!! Not Convicted." One user elaborated: "Zero convictions, I can't stand liberals and Democrats man they make me physically sick man I love Megan Kelly thank God they pushed her this way."

In short, it is inaccurate to say that Trump has never been convicted of any felonies. In May 2024, he became the first former president to be convicted of felony crimes after a New York jury found him guilty on 34 counts of falsifying business records to conceal a $130,000 hush-money payment to an adult-film star to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. Therefore, we have rated this claim as false.

Trump was found guilty and therefore convicted of felony crimes. However, as of this writing Trump had not been sentenced by Merchan, who put the case on hold until Nov. 19, 2024. Merchan is reportedly having the lawyers on both sides of the case weigh in on what should be done after Trump's election victory. A tentative sentencing date has been set for Nov. 26, 2024, but there is a range of scenarios for what could happen next.

Merchan could potentially wait to sentence Trump until after his presidential term is up, or he could overturn the verdict based on a U.S. Supreme Court decision that gives presidents broad immunity from criminal prosecution. Merchan could also dismiss the case, or alternatively go ahead and sentence Trump.

Regardless, Trump was found guilty on all 34 counts and therefore has been convicted of felonies.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-convicted-felonies/

This article explains legal matters in much more detail so you can understand that though you may feel his crimes were influenced by a political viewpoint, many of his crimes had nothing to do with any political viewpoint but rather crimes committed in business when he himself was a democrat.
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 25, 2024 11:35 pm »

Steve, yes, there has been some linguistic confusion on my side, since I believed that convicted was synonymous of 'sent to prison'.

The definition of convicted seems to be the following.

a formal declaration by the verdict of a jury or the decision of a judge in a court of law that someone is guilty of a criminal offence.

And so, yes he was undoubtedly convicted, subject to appeal.

But again, this is not very impressive, I mean, would you criticize Hitler for some irregularities with 11 checks, 11 invoices and 12 vouchers? Wouldn't you rather criticize him for 6 million Jews atrociously killed?

So, I see Trump's detractors as desperately clinging to this conviction, which in their eyes made him a criminal similar to Hitler. Seems so absurd, yet it's true. Desperation.

Am I missing something? The case is pretty controversial, and counting each check, invoice, and voucher as a crime seems a tiny bit of an exaggeration. And wanting to construe the case as criminal rather than administrative, wanting at all costs to see the intent to commit fraud.

In my considerate opinion, there is one simple explanation. The conviction has been a political one, not a judicial one. The judge guided the jurors to the conviction, and the judge wanted Mr. Trump to be out of the political Arena.

I saw it happening in Italy. To date, judges try to compromise political enemies. Ditto for government bills, non actuated by judges.

Bottom line, yes, it was a real conviction, but there are many reasons why Mr. Trump cannot be called a criminal, first of all, until all the judicial stages are completed, that is until the appeal is not concluded, the conviction is suspended.

Second, because the conviction had clearly a political cause more rather than a judicial one.

Third, a real criminal is something like a recognized rapist, robber, homicide, and so on. Not someone who commits irregularities on checks, invoices, and vouchers.

The media have been good at insisting on such conviction. Mr. Trump has been even better at withstanding all this abuse.
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 26, 2024 02:37 am »

I suppose it depends on if your were the object of his crimes. If you were you would feel betrayed and manipulated if not also aggravated assault perpetuated against you. And against the democracy that has been crafted in a free loving country.

You think the convictions have a political cause. I have no such sense of that. On the contrary Trumps revenge is the real political motivation. And the women who were raped and used by him have a totally different perspective on the crimes committed then you do. The police that attempted to maintain order during the insurrection certainly have a different take on the crimes than you. And we have heard their testimony.

In many of the cases now there will not be a conviction. Why because Trumps self appointed Judges gave him the immunity of a king to his crimes.
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 26, 2024 10:15 am »

Steve, I do understand your animosity and that you would much rather like to have a president with an impeccable story of good behaviour and rectitude. That was Obama, a quintessential figure of a president. But do we like better an image, an icon, or we rather prefer substance?

Obama at the end of his mandates did not exhibit, with a few exceptions, overwhelming excellence as to ruling the USA. His global politics was catastrophic. He allowed the neo Marxists to spread out, with the subsequent virus of wokism, critical race theory, transactional theory and absurdities. He did not rein in these pernicious underlying currents.
In a few words, he kinda of failed as a president, in my view.

At the other spectrum, Trump is a convicted felon, he acts crazy at times, he says crazy things at times, really not a perfect figure of a president, but during his mandate there were no wars initiated, he started the Abrahama accords, he tried to uplift economy and so many more things which I do not know.

So, if there is a previous record of good outcomes, or just non-disastrous outcomes, why people do criticize him so harshly, demonizing him and comparing him to Hitler? I find no other logical solution than political enmity.

I have no knowledge that he raped any women. Unless it's a derogatory term to describe what other presidents like Bill CLinton, John Fitgerald Kennedy and many others did.

Again, Steve, I insist that there is some karmic issue between you and this figure, as detestable as he may be, the substance is not that of an antichrist at all. You may say: I don't want such a boor as a president, I understand it. But that's an ad-personam judgment, not an objective judgment on his policy.

I also understand that you have issues with some of his policies, like non-intervention on climate, like fossil fuels exploitation, demographic growth and so on. But these should be addressed separately from personal judgments.

You may say again, "I do not want a convicted felon as the POTUS." I may retort, "He was convicted according to judicial rules, and then he outsmarted the enemy judges by applying more rules issued by friendly judges. We need such a cunning person as the head of the first global superpower. We need him to tackle the real demons outside: Putin, Kim Jung, and Xi Jinping."
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 26, 2024 02:43 pm »

You are entitled to your opinion. But do not put words in my mouth that were never there. Just because my views of the man do not reflect yours, does not mean I hate someone. Do I say you hate Obama? No. You have different views. Your views reflect those of most right wing people here in the United States. You use Marxism as a bad word. That is a typical right wing view. Do I say you have an animosity towards left wing views? No Lucca. I am attempting to engage in a constructive discussion with you for both of us to gain from. Actually some of the Marxist ideas are similar to the teachings of Jesus when it relates to sharing. A philosophy that Donald Trump has no understanding of because he is such a selfish man. Instead of helping the poor and middle classes he gave some of the largest tax breaks in history to the most wealthy people in the United States.

Please read this article to see how the egotistical and selfish motives have hurt the middle and lower classes and benefited the highest 1% of the wealthiest individuals in the United States. Not only that, but these huge tax breaks that both Bush and Trump were and are a part of have severely limited and exhausted funds used for all funding to help the middle and lower class families in the United States, added to the fact that these tax breaks have also exhausted government funds to protect the environment, build infrastructure and support social services…. Trump is nothing less than a total disaster to our country’s services. He is a hero of the richest individuals in this country and nothing less than a detriment to all other classes economically. Team Trump Wants the Poor to Suffer to Fund His Tax Cuts for the Rich.

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Steve, I do understand your animosity and that you would much rather like to have a president with an impeccable story of good behaviour and rectitude. That was Obama, a quintessential figure of a president. But do we like better an image, an icon, or we rather prefer substance?

Obama at the end of his mandates did not exhibit, with a few exceptions, overwhelming excellence as to ruling the USA. His global politics was catastrophic. He allowed the neo Marxists to spread out, with the subsequent virus of wokism, critical race theory, transactional theory and absurdities. He did not rein in these pernicious underlying currents.
In a few words, he kinda of failed as a president, in my view.

At the other spectrum, Trump is a convicted felon, he acts crazy at times, he says crazy things at times, really not a perfect figure of a president, but during his mandate there were no wars initiated, he started the Abrahama accords, he tried to uplift economy and so many more things which I do not know.

So, if there is a previous record of good outcomes, or just non-disastrous outcomes, why people do criticize him so harshly, demonizing him and comparing him to Hitler? I find no other logical solution than political enmity.

I have no knowledge that he raped any women. Unless it's a derogatory term to describe what other presidents like Bill CLinton, John Fitgerald Kennedy and many others did.

Again, Steve, I insist that there is some karmic issue between you and this figure, as detestable as he may be, the substance is not that of an antichrist at all. You may say: I don't want such a boor as a president, I understand it. But that's an ad-personam judgment, not an objective judgment on his policy.

I also understand that you have issues with some of his policies, like non-intervention on climate, like fossil fuels exploitation, demographic growth and so on. But these should be addressed separately from personal judgments.

You may say again, "I do not want a convicted felon as the POTUS." I may retort, "He was convicted according to judicial rules, and then he outsmarted the enemy judges by applying more rules issued by friendly judges. We need such a cunning person as the head of the first global superpower. We need him to tackle the real demons outside: Putin, Kim Jung, and Xi Jinping."
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« Reply #23 on: Nov 26, 2024 06:51 pm »

Steve, this time I did not use the word 'hate'. I just said 'karmic issues'. Also, I don't know if I put words in your mouth, if it was so I didn't realize.

I said the above, 'karmic issues' because Mr. Trump became sort of an obsession with you, since the 2016 mandate, I remember that well.

At this point I accept the fact that as youur obsession is impersonal, that is you do not like at all what Mr. Trump represents, his attitude, his policy, his ideologies. It seems strange though that you cannot find a single positive thing he made.

Sorry to interrupt, I gotta run, going to continue this.
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« Reply #24 on: Nov 26, 2024 07:05 pm »

Steve, this time I did not use the word 'hate'. I just said 'karmic issues'. Also, I don't know if I put words in your mouth, if it was so I didn't realize.

I said the above, 'karmic issues' because Mr. Trump became sort of an obsession with you, since the 2016 mandate, I remember that well.

At this point I accept the fact that as youur obsession is impersonal, that is you do not like at all what Mr. Trump represents, his attitude, his policy, his ideologies. It seems strange though that you cannot find a single positive thing he made.

Sorry to interrupt, I gotta run, going to continue this.


I see your post above more closely represents my attitude. And you have found some positive characteristics for Dishonest Don. For me finding positive traits for him are similar for people finding positive traits for Adolph Hitler, Vladimir Putin or Jung Un. While there are positive attributes even if it is the fact that Adolph Hitler was purported to be a vegetarian, we still knew he needed to be stopped in his aggressive and selfish ways. In the same way I have never stopped showing my disgust for Trumps insensitivity, selfishness and egomania. If you choose to see it as an obsession…. I simply refer you to the life of Jesus Christ who was also ‘obsessed’ about the Pharisees and scribes. Or Krishna who was ‘obsessed’ about having Arjuna fight to return his kingdom back to righteousness.

I would think by now that you and others would see that the United States has not just had an election but rather it has chosen evil forces that are destroying the very fabric of democracy and the clause ‘one nation under God’ In fact i am not obsessed but rather i recognize this nation has taken a tragic turn towards evil and despotism. The reason I am not affected badly because of it, is that I recognize that all nations and empires must eventually fall. Whether that takes place is dependent on factors we have yet to see. That is; will this nation turn back to honesty, integrity and trust in its processes? This will not be fulfilled when such evil forces have taken grip of power.
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I would think by now that you and others would see that the United States has not just had an election but rather it has chosen evil forces that are destroying the very fabric of democracy and the clause ‘one nation under God’ In fact i am not obsessed but rather i recognize this nation has taken a tragic turn towards evil and despotism. The reason I am not affected badly because of it, is that I recognize that all nations and empires must eventually fall. Whether that takes place is dependent on factors we have yet to see. That is; will this nation turn back to honesty, integrity and trust in its processes? This will not be fulfilled when such evil forces have taken grip of power.

Steve, it's funny in a way, but my vision is opposite to yours. Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong, and of course right and wrong could be partial outcomes, something will turn out to be right, other things will turn out to be wrong, It's inevitable, unless this presidency will be a perfect one. I doubt it will.

It is not that the people of the US have chosen evil forces, they've chosen what has been displayed to them. Wokism has been refused by the majority, as well as borders open to illegal immigrants and continuous engagement of wars.

In my view, Trump may be an Avatar, disguised in a materialistic incarnation with many flaws. It happens. It is almost sure that William the COnqueror was Yogananda. The conqueror did not exhibit spiritual qualities.

In this elections there has been a portentous war between the legion of evil spirits, who influenced the public opinion and used the democrat rulers as tools, and the legions of God. Had Mrs. Kamala won, the road was ready for chaos and anarchy in the American streets. Also, the road would have been paved to far more sinister and ruinous outcomes, like a nuclear war.

The faction of Mr. Trump has won by following the suggestion of angelic astral beings, they suggested to Susan White the right campaigning strategy, they made appeal to more serious and real problems than gays and transgenders' rights and pampering of these pathological cases. They made appeal to safety, peace and prosperity. The angelic astral beings also guided the lateral movement of Mr. Trump's head when the almost lethal shot was triggered. The legion of evil spirits for sure influenced Mr. Crooks and obfuscated the minds of the security men. This direct intervention caused a counter-intervention from the legions of God.
The outcome was a resilient, pugnacious, invincible figure of a presidential candidate. This moved the needle.
Also, the astral angelic beings influenced Mr, Trump to choose Mr. Musk, a visionary businessman and super-organizer, as one of his main aides. This moved the needle even more.

That one was an epic battle between good and evil, won for a little by the legions of God.

We'll see what happens in the future, if total chaos and doom will erupt in America and the world as a direct consequence of Trump's policies, then I'll concede that you are right and that Satan blinded my discrimination.
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« Reply #26 on: Nov 28, 2024 03:35 am »

Mccoy the America you describe does not at all resemble what i see. The difficulty with your assessment is it ignores the sufferings most Americans face. And it centers on the success and money machine of the rich 🤑 who really have no regard for those in lower economic strata. Most Americans are apart of a slave working class, just able to eke out enough money to eat and pay rent. While a small amount of the population own most of the wealth and real estate. So your model of success may appear shiny from a distance but lose all luster from a closer view. Would you consider Rome a successful empire at its height of power? If so you will be expressing what I am talking about. There were slaves and many parts of society that were suppressed which the early Christians were exposed to during Christ’s time. Though the Roman’s were successful certainly those crucified on the streets could not say the same. This is the type of false success that the current administration who have been elected exemplify.

Crucifixion was a common form of execution in Roman times, particularly for slaves, rebels, and those accused of serious crimes such as treason or piracy. It was primarily used as a means of punishment and deterrence.

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Victims: The majority of those crucified were non-Romans, including slaves, foreigners, and criminals. Free Roman citizens were typically spared this form of execution unless they were guilty of severe crimes.
Historical Context: The most famous crucifixion is that of Jesus Christ, which occurred around 30-33 AD. This event highlights the use of crucifixion in the context of political and religious dissent.
Frequency: While exact numbers are difficult to ascertain, historical accounts suggest that thousands of individuals could be crucified during major uprisings, such as the Spartacus revolt (73-71 BC), where it is estimated that 6,000 slaves were crucified along the Appian Way.
Legal Framework: Crucifixion was codified in Roman law, and its use was regulated by the authorities. The Romans viewed it as a fitting punishment for the most serious offenses.
In summary, crucifixion was a widespread and brutal practice in Roman society, used primarily for punishment and as a means of instilling fear among the populace.

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Mccoy the America you describe does not at all resemble what i see. The difficulty with your assessment is it ignores the sufferings most Americans face. And it centers on the success and money machine of the rich 🤑 who really have no regard for those in lower economic strata.

Of course, Steve, my description is very simplified, also I'm not living out there, I only receive indirect recounts from people living there, recounts which must at times be filtered.
Re. the rich: the issue si complex, I can see that some of them are stingy and just money-obsessed, in a pathological way. Others are more balanced and generous.

The really rich ones though usually provide jobs and wealth with their business ideas. A perfect society should welcome rich people and businessmen but have no poor people. Such societies are very rare, a couple of examples I know are Sweden and Luxemburg.
Italy is not like that, Italy has presently too many poor people.

Re. the Roman empire, it was a society which developed right in the middle of the Kali Yuga. Are you referring to that in light of Mr. Musk's recent declared obsession on it?
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Mccoy the America you describe does not at all resemble what i see. The difficulty with your assessment is it ignores the sufferings most Americans face. And it centers on the success and money machine of the rich 🤑 who really have no regard for those in lower economic strata.

The really rich ones though usually provide jobs and wealth with their business ideas. A perfect society should welcome rich people and businessmen but have no poor people. Such societies are very rare, a couple of examples I know are Sweden and Luxemburg.
Italy is not like that, Italy has presently too many poor people.

Re. the Roman empire, it was a society which developed right in the middle of the Kali Yuga. Are you referring to that in light of Mr. Musk's recent declared obsession on it?

Yea and many elite people from the U.S. clones attempt to write off the successes of countries that make their whole society more happy by saying that a socialist system would only work in a small country. Why limit the possibilities of socialism in this way? The Indians in America did not need Elon Musk to exist and create their own jobs before the white man disrupted this country. Essentially such people like Elon Musk, Donald Trump and Bill Gates came and ‘stole’ the means of production for their own extravagant life styles. I do not have any problem lumping these people together. I do not have to separate them into Republicans and Democrats. There are also many ‘lower class’ people who are selfish. The wealthy do not have a monopoly on selfishness, but rather a monopoly on ‘maya’ and ‘avidya’. People existed fine on this continent far before those ‘creating jobs’ appeared. Most people that have stimulated the economy by creating ideas that put them to work only created more hardships and misery for the general public. That is why these people - for the most part - do not meditate. They have only created more diversionary tactics for the masses delusional activities and useless desires…. As well as ignorance for themselves.

Yes I am making a comparison with Musk, Trump and those excelling in the destruction of the values of a wonderful original idea for democracy. They are only leading this nation in a free fall towards a loss of democracy, freedom and the empire that once thrived here; just as the Romans saw their empire crumble. Instead of helping the rest of the world, they are promoting a philosophy of selfishness that extends beyond the borders and will only hold back the promise of the Dwapara Yuga. But these type of dips in spiritual awareness only last for a while and then again the spiritual progress will return as we begin to see spiritual beings evolve towards caring societies.  Unlike what is now taking place in this country because of misplaced priorities, which Paramahansa Yogananda saw happening here back in the early part of the 20th century. I’m sure there were people in your country who saw the fall of its empire because of those creating jobs and controlling the lives of others as well. Such people, for the most part , are really promoting a stronger materialistic approach and attitude that deteriorates their own countries progress.

I do not see myself as obsessed with such people or having any hidden agendas against them as you appear to insinuate, that those disagreeing with them feel. But rather pity them for creating the karma for themselves that only perpetuates their own ignorance. Such people will never have any experiences of spiritual awakening or psychic enlightenment this lifetime or for life times to come before recognizing the happiness of others and not just their own…. Which is sought from material accomplishments instead of spiritual understanding.
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« Reply #29 on: Nov 28, 2024 05:58 pm »

I'm not a clairvoyant so I cannot see what is going to be the direction American society will take now, or the outcome of this new presidency.

But I saw the direction taken by last presidency and it was very, very weird. Contrary to commonsense. It was a rapid decline of an empire into a science-fictional dystopic world.

I cannot stand it when reason and common sense are overtaken by ideology. This was happening in America and Italy/Europe as well.

I'm not a priori against any political parties, but when they become the champions of irrationality, I must take distance, wide distance.
 
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