Perhaps 🤔 at times we should look at ourselves and delve into the question of what brings us together as spiritual beings, but often separates us on ideological issues? I often asked this question of myself when Eric was around. I have my ideas. They are some what multiple faceted and are thoughts for another thread. At this point of our conversation I will attempt to stay on the topic, but just want to add here that as introspective seekers of the truth we often find other core reasons for even bringing up topics like this. I guess one of my points here is that this life perhaps was never intended to be a smooth ride. Maybe we are somewhat prisoners if our own devices and desires marooned on an island of restitution.
Steve, now I understand your support of transgenderism, that's because your strong concerns about overpopulation. So, the more the gay people and infertile transgenders, the lesser the concern. This appears to be a more logical argumentation than that based on age required to join the national guard. Not necessarily in the right sphere of thought, but belonging to a more logical reasoning.
And I really don't see a strong logic in the other arguments, that is, at 17 you may want to serve in a military structure but you may well be wrong on wanting to change sex. The two things are independent. You may be right on one thing and wrong on the other. Please note that some requirements must be met to join the guard, even as some requirements must be met to change sex.
About the morality issue, it is not very clear what you are alluding to. It may have been more clear to a citizen of the USA, but it is not to me, a citizen of another country.
If you are alluding to abortion, the discussion becomes more serious but I'm not sure abortion is part of your topic since you do not mention the specific term. I will not pronounce my opinion about abortion until you confirm that it is part of your argumentations.
mccoy; I wonder how much thought you’ve given to the point that some spheres of thought overlap? I mean by this that at some age we must be old enough to make decisions and be responsible for those decisions on our own, having known that society places requirements on us all through life. There are various biological, sociological, political and interpersonal requirements we face everyday. This is life as we have come to know it. Yet we ourselves make these decisions and must face the consequences of those decisions. How much do we feel we have the responsibility of telling others what their decisions should be?
I am of the opinion that if a man or woman is able to be drafted in the army they should be able to make their own decisions about their body and not be coerced by any political ideologies
Now Steve, please put up with my linguistic and conceptual maybe excessive fastidiousness. The following must be read in this key of punctiliousness.
Besides, your point is maybe a so-called
non-sequitur. That is , people may be old enough to go to the army, yet not mature enough to be able to make a correct choice, socially, psychologically, practically or karmically speaking, about their sexual identity.
Moreover, in most Western countries there is absolute freedom about one's choice, provided a panel of specialists (among which psychiatrists and psychologists) issues a positive judgment on the issue.
mccoy; no it may seem to you that I am engaging in non-sequiiters, but honestly I feel I have expressed some cohesive ideas here. I wouldn’t say that you haven’t, it’s just that yours appear hypocritical to me. And that is because I hear you can say that others have the right to kill but not to determine their own gender. You would have us believe that requires more maturity to make such a decision?
You can draft some one to kill others and themselves but you cant let them have the right to make their own decisions on their moral life. Does that make any logical sense to you? i mean is killing people less important as sexual orientation? Killing people is a moral decision the government can at any time thrust on its citizens. But you feel that the government also has the right to make decisions on their sexual orientation? At whatever age they choose?
Here is another sphere of thought that I see overlapping: There is also the very practical and ethical question of; How will we ever slow down the destruction of Mother Earth when we have leaders promoting the judgement of other peoples moral life and shutting down ‘planned parenthood’? No abortion is not part of this topic. That would have to be something you decide to start as a thread. The issues are very complex and not easily resolved. Open topic. See photo below…The results of right wing forced ethics and some religious propaganda....
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