The Danger of another Donald Trump Presidency

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I've listened to the cited interview with Lex Friedman, and I've listened to some recent public discourses and a public interview with Tulsi Gabbard. He's different, maybe his recent brush with death has made him wiser.

The democrats have done everything to suppress this inconvenient tycoon who 8 years ago slipped the power from their hands. They never forgave him about it, and especially the fact that he did not accept to follow the heeds of those who actually detain power and maneuver the party, even in this instance: Obama, Clinton, and others less known.

I recently had an injection of wisdom from the Jnanavatar which made me reconsider the political outlook in America.

The main social platforms subtly trying to influence the voters. Oftentimes, not even too subtly. Tulsi Gabbard, a former Democrat, supporting Trump and elucidating with rationale her motives.

A formerly unpopular, calculating woman with an egregious record and no participation in any primaries candidate as president and hailed as a saint, compliments of the puppeteers who are in command and are guiding her. Those who will vote her will do that just because they hate Trump, obviously not because she's the first choice for the nation.

It's a complex situation and I am realizing that Fuhrer Trump is a very small demon compared to Comrad Kamala and the legion of evil spirits who are controlling her.

Mccoy, ‘hate’ is a strong and divisive word, that I have never used here, despite the fact that the danger of a Trump presidency I see as tantamount to the Russian leader Putin becoming the leader of Russia. Both of them seek unlimited power. And wield evil into a strong force that eliminates democracy as we know it. Both of them are smooth orators, promoting their own brand of personal power over the masses and either have implemented the imprisonment of their opponents or have called for it depending on their ability to do so. As you know much of these plans have been discussed in Fuhrer Trumps plan for the future written in the hands of his henchmen…. since I’m not sure that the Fuhrer himself has the ability to write and elucidate just how his power to govern will manifest as much as his henchmen have in the 2025 manual for the future. Furthermore, their minions silence 🤐 and punish the views of others, in a misguided attempt to promote their own.

I would be curious to know how you ‘feel’ you have had an injection of wisdom by the Janavatar Sri Yukteswar. Although I am not in any way belittling your experience, last time you mentioned that experience you weren’t sure of its significance. But now you are coining some of that experience to the ‘political outlook’ in the United States. Perhaps your insights will benefit us all. We both in some ways mirror our concerns. So I am quite ok with differences that may arise. I believe that you are able to handle your emotions regarding worldly affairs much differently than I have seen some others here at this site who resorted to antagonistic disparaging remarks for those of differing views. And they have imploded themselves because of such passing emotions.

While I myself do not find myself a strong advocate for Kamala Harris, I find that her stance far surpasses the anti democracy and pro autocratic rhetoric and views of Fuhrer Trump. So I am waiting for a response from you as to why you have also included this remark in your last entry;

“It's a complex situation and I am realizing that Fuhrer Trump is a very small demon compared to Comrad Kamala and the legion of evil spirits who are controlling her.” ~mccoy

What has Comrad Harris done that is so malicious? One difference I see here between us mccoy is that I have pointed out the character flaws and false statements Fuhrer Trump has made countless times. I have even pointed out why I have not appreciated the Biden/Harris team over the years. Although I see no such information you have provided only a slanderous attempt of defamation. So I’m looking for something more substantial from you friend.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Trump threatens lawyers, donors and election officials with prison for 'unscrupulous behavior'
Sep. 7, 2024, 9:20 PM ED

Trump and his allies filed dozens of unsuccessful cases after the 2020 election in an attempt to overturn the results.

MOSINEE, Wis. — Former President Donald Trump, who makes frequent false claims that the 2020 presidential election was stolen through rampant fraud, warned Saturday that he would attempt to imprison anyone who engages in "unscrupulous behavior" during the 2024 race results.
The threat was issued in a post on Truth Social, his social media website, and repeated his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, accusing Democrats of "rampant Cheating and Skullduggery."
“The 2024 Election, where Votes have just started being cast, will be under the closest professional scrutiny and, WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again," he wrote.
He continued, “Please beware that this legal exposure extends to Lawyers, Political Operatives, Donors, Illegal Voters, & Corrupt Election Officials. Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country.”
The threat was one of the most wide-ranging that he's made while running for president after his 2020 defeat — going beyond threatening old foes and issuing warnings to those involved with the current election.

https://apple.news/A4rK7a3upSr6lP1aexet9-Q

[mccoy]

I would be curious to know how you ‘feel’ you have had an injection of wisdom by the Janavatar Sri Yukteswar. Although I am not in any way belittling your experience, last time you mentioned that experience you weren’t sure of its significance. But now you are coining some of that experience to the ‘political outlook’ in the United States. Perhaps your insights will benefit us all.

Steve, to date I don't know what was the reason, if there was a reason, of SY's 'visit' out of the blue. After that though, I distinctly felt an improvement in cognitive functions and above all in discriminative and logical reasoning. Perceiving this association, it is legitimate to believe that there might have been a causative link, since SY is the incarnation of wisdom, logic, and discrimination. In other words, if the Jnanavatar visits you, it is likely he will leave you with some enhanced level of wisdom.

Of course, an association does not prove a causation and I may be extrapolating too much. I try to follow an objective process of reasoning but there might be some subjective bias, I surely cannot exclude it.

[mccoy]

Mccoy, ‘hate’ is a strong and divisive word, that I have never used here, despite the fact that the danger of a Trump presidency I see as tantamount to the Russian leader Putin becoming the leader of Russia. Both of them seek unlimited power. And wield evil into a strong force that eliminates democracy as we know it. Both of them are smooth orators, promoting their own brand of personal power over the masses and either have implemented the imprisonment of their opponents or have called for it depending on their ability to do so. As you know much of these plans have been discussed in Fuhrer Trumps plan for the future written in the hands of his henchmen…. since I’m not sure that the Fuhrer himself has the ability to write and elucidate just how his power to govern will manifest as much as his henchmen have in the 2025 manual for the future. Furthermore, their minions silence 🤐 and punish the views of others, in a misguided attempt to promote their own.

Steve, we can just substitute 'hate' with 'extreme dislike'. Even 'extreme, reasoned, considered dislike'.

The 2025 project has been officially rejected by Fuhrer Trump in his interview with Lex Friedman. You doubt that he wrote it, agree and I doubt that he read all the about 1000 pages of the document. Maybe, he didn't even read the first page.

Fringes of extremists in the two factions are surely present, but if a bunch of minions of Fuhrer Trump tries to silence and punish the others, this silencing is a well-organized strategy of the party of Comrad Kamala, it has been so since the election of Fuhrer Trump and it has become undeniable in Covid times, until the most recent eloquent evidence given by Mr. Zuckerberg in congress.

[mccoy]

What has Comrad Harris done that is so malicious? One difference I see here between us mccoy is that I have pointed out the character flaws and false statements Fuhrer Trump has made countless times. I have even pointed out why I have not appreciated the Biden/Harris team over the years. Although I see no such information you have provided only a slanderous attempt of defamation. So I’m looking for something more substantial from you friend.

You are very right Steve, Comrad Kamala has done nothing malicious, since she has apparently done nothing at all. Her only fault lies in being a puppet of the real Democrat Lords (Obama and company, supported by huge congolmerates like Google, bezos and so on) who want to enforce their dystopic reality upon the whole world. This is not conspiracy theory, this is an observation of daily facts, in America and here in Europe and Italy. the lefts in the world want to enforce at all costs their subjective vision of a world ruled by woke concepts, green rules above anything, absolute inclusion rules, there is no fixed biology at birth, God was wrong in doing that, We are going to fix it.

Steve, as a man of God-given logic I really cannot embrace those theories and the attempt to establish this new world order.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I will express to you my initial impression of your last statement. It reminds me of some of the statements that Eric used to make here, minus the anger. Certain keywords appear to have great meaning to you but only sound slanderous to me because they seem to lack substance. The far right have used such terminology all my life, including my father. When I would investigate such terminology it lacked any basis for much discussion. Terms like …. Oh she’s red or a communist. And in this case ‘woke’. One needs to elucidate such terms and describe the policies they cover. I found that communist was a common term that most right wing Americans used to belittle people that cared about others and wanted to have programs to do so. What does woke mean to you? To me it is just a way of describing some view someone doesn’t like because it does not fit into their view. So I would say first I would have to understand the meaning behind the words. But such words as conglomerates says little to nothing to me. Trump and Musk are extreme conglomerates. Look at the huge conglomerate Musk owns and directs, PayPal, Tesla and space x …. And all the hotel and businesses Trump owns.

In fact I did business with eBay for years and had tremendous inadequacy from PayPal. I did not know till now that Musk built that empire. That company not only offered no protection to me but literally ignored me. And I was unable to reach them to talk about my situation. NO SERVICE. Everything was handled on line. No real service. Donald Trump has an endless record of stiffing companies that he made deals with and inflating the values of his properties which even Cohen, his lawyer admits. Project space x can only be used if you are 🤑 rich. It is a project that further defines people by economic value. Tesla the same thing only the rich can afford it.

You speak of silencing others. Yes the Trump people have that as their main strategy. I am a witness of it in the small community I live in. They had their campaign set up in the park to remove our Democrat governor in Michigan. I went and thought I could talk with them about it and reason with them calmly but ended up in jail for it with a $750 fine. Their lies about me were part of the process that came to that. Their lies also resulted in the attempted kidnapping of Witmere our governor. See for yourself it you’d like….

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/09/18/whitmer-kidnapping-trial-verdict-guilty-acquitted/70889492007/

Dystopic is another word you use that can be easily applied to the people you appear to support. Dystopia is an unfair word to use if it only applies to the people who do not support someone’s particular views. You say there is ‘no fixed biology at birth’. There is for me thank God I have the choice! “We are going to fix it.” The only people that want to fix it are the far right. They want to fix our free choice. So we cannot make it.

‘Green rules about anything’ mean while I pick up littered plastic bags all over the country side because people just don’t care. Two states the size of Texas filled with plastic in the Pacific Ocean and still most everyone uses plastic bags in grocery stores. I guess we should let people destroy are habitat in the name of freedom? Or would it be more accurate to call it license to do as we please? Regardless of how it effects others? This is license to do as we please with no regard for others or Mother Earth. When people have no notion of stewardship to our planet should we let them destroy it with no consequences?

What has Comrad Harris done that is so malicious? One difference I see here between us mccoy is that I have pointed out the character flaws and false statements Fuhrer Trump has made countless times. I have even pointed out why I have not appreciated the Biden/Harris team over the years. Although I see no such information you have provided only a slanderous attempt of defamation. So I’m looking for something more substantial from you friend.

You are very right Steve, Comrad Kamala has done nothing malicious, since she has apparently done nothing at all. Her only fault lies in being a puppet of the real Democrat Lords (Obama and company, supported by huge congolmerates like Google, bezos and so on) who want to enforce their dystopic reality upon the whole world. This is not conspiracy theory, this is an observation of daily facts, in America and here in Europe and Italy. the lefts in the world want to enforce at all costs their subjective vision of a world ruled by woke concepts, green rules above anything, absolute inclusion rules, there is no fixed biology at birth, God was wrong in doing that, We are going to fix it.

Steve, as a man of God-given logic I really cannot embrace those theories and the attempt to establish this new world order.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

In the debate last nite, Fuhrer Trump bragged about all we’ve (The U.S.)  done for the world, but fails to even begin to understand the fall out of our countries outcome on climate change. We are the ones that started it all.

Since he thinks the catastrophe of climate change is a hoax, it is worthless to even consider giving him a thought since all during the debate he encouraged more harmful ways to ruin the world environment and blamed Biden/Harris for having programs to encourage a green planet. The man is totally delusional about reality. About climate change and about losing an election he believes he won and about the needs of other class of citizens other than the tax breaks he will continue to give to the super wealthy, and the lack of support he will give to other free loving and serving people.

His views are closely aligned to Marie Antoinette, and his slogan could easily be for all the rest of us; “Give them Cake”

“Let them eat cake” is the most famous quote attributed to Marie-Antoinette, the queen of France during the French Revolution. As the story goes, it was the queen’s response upon being told that her starving peasant subjects had no bread.
Did Marie-Antoinette Really …
britannica.com

[mccoy]

I wonder, why Kennedy and Gabbard joined the army of Fuhrer Trump? Perhaps they realized there are worse Fuhrers around...

Woke: unfortunately some ideas are labeled, whether we like it or not. There is a lengthy Wikipedia voice on it.

By 'Woke' I mean the ideology supporting absurd ideas like that gender should be a free choice, not an imposition of karma. This is just a small aspect of this ideology that goes against all God-created laws of logic and that is fully supported by the Democratic Elite, of which Comrad Kamala Harris is an emanation.

Tim Waltz is an example of 'woke' politician. It says it all about Comrad Kamala.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#:~:text=Woke%20is%20an%20adjective%20derived,and%20denial%20of%20LGBT%20rights.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I wonder, why Kennedy and Gabbard joined the army of Fuhrer Trump? Perhaps they realized there are worse Fuhrers around...

Woke: unfortunately some ideas are labeled, whether we like it or not. There is a lengthy Wikipedia voice on it.

By 'Woke' I mean the ideology supporting absurd ideas like that gender should be a free choice, not an imposition of karma. This is just a small aspect of this ideology that goes against all God-created laws of logic and that is fully supported by the Democratic Elite, of which Comrad Kamala Harris is an emanation.

Tim Waltz is an example of 'woke' politician. It says it all about Comrad Kamala.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#:~:text=Woke%20is%20an%20adjective%20derived,and%20denial%20of%20LGBT%20rights.

My simple reply is that I can not speak for God. If you feel you can do that I leave it to you.

[mccoy]

My simple reply is that I can not speak for God. If you feel you can do that I leave it to you.

However, we have all the writings of the great masters, Yogananda, Sri Yukteswar and SRF. They do not discuss politics but they provide a coherent logical framework which we can try to apply to politics.

I repeat, anyone being a different individualized expression of God sees the world with different eyes. My eyes are sensitive to logic and, besides noticing absurd ideas, have an aversion for particular attitudes such as hunger for power, propaganda, willingness to enforce one's own vision of the world, believing that such vision is the only viable one and all other visions must be deleted.

The above traits I'm seeing in the Democrat elite presently represented by st. Kamala, sanctified by the holy deities of the Democrats Elite.

I also see the negative traits in Fuhrer Trump, but they are of a more basic, naive, material and impulsive nature, not the calculating, sinister  schemes of the left.

Last but not least: your personal negative experience with the MAGA people. Nasty people unfortunately are present in all political groups. Such people should be avoided. Not confronted with logic. They do not understand logic and do not like to discuss. They exist unfortunately in all ideologies.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

My simple reply is that I can not speak for God. If you feel you can do that I leave it to you.

However, we have all the writings of the great masters, Yogananda, Sri Yukteswar and SRF. They do not discuss politics but they provide a coherent logical framework which we can try to apply to politics.

I repeat, anyone being a different individualized expression of God sees the world with different eyes. My eyes are sensitive to logic and, besides noticing absurd ideas, have an aversion for particular attitudes such as hunger for power, propaganda, willingness to enforce one's own vision of the world, believing that such vision is the only viable one and all other visions must be deleted.

The above traits I'm seeing in the Democrat elite presently represented by st. Kamala, sanctified by the holy deities of the Democrats Elite.

I also see the negative traits in Fuhrer Trump, but they are of a more basic, naive, material and impulsive nature, not the calculating, sinister  schemes of the left.

Last but not least: your personal negative experience with the MAGA people. Nasty people unfortunately are present in all political groups. Such people should be avoided. Not confronted with logic. They do not understand logic and do not like to discuss. They exist unfortunately in all ideologies.

You have brought up some points here now so I can respond to each one individually. Yes nasty people are unfortunately in all groups. The irony of the far right though is that they promote the idea of law and order but in fact will use law and order to suppress any one that disagrees with them, violating the principles of honesty and kindness that our Masters promote. Yes I would agree that it is best to avoid such people but it is impossible to do so when they do not function ‘logically’ as you termed it, but instead disrupt the function of free elections in an attempt to regain power without the support of free elections that have already occurred and decided the outcome in voting.

You conveniently left out our param gurus when speaking about their reluctance to talk about politics. Both Jesus and Krishna had missions of massively changing the political landscape of their time because of the political forces that were emerging at that time. In the Bhagavad Gita. Krishna instigated a movement to put Arjuna back in his rightful place as King. Stopping the overthrow of government that occurred as an outcome of misguided power struggles. That is essentially my point in the latest election where Trump attempted to usurp power and take it in his own hands. Not only using legal means but supporting an armed militia insurrection. And although Paramahansa Yogananda did not directly get involved in politics he certainly aligned himself with people who did like Mahatma Gandhi. He also made comments about the political situation and processes through history that clearly indicated his views on various political issues. Jesus was Ofcourse a political threat to the Jewish hierarchy and the Roman Empire. If he had not been why would have it been so important to crucify him? So with those words I believe I have logically refuted your statement that our gurus were not political in their life events.

I see the hunger for power as personified in Fuhrer Trump in that he is willing to use any means available to wield power and perpetuate his interests in the name of ‘making America great again.’ Notice he is all about America at a time that their should be a dramatic shift in paradigmatic out look and not putting my countries interests above all other countries.

In fact there is no naiveness in his plans as well. They are well thought out and documented in his agenda project 2025. This ‘calculating sinister propaganda’ is the Mein Kampf of the far right. The  Fuhrer in this case being the representative of this movement, not having the intelligence to be its architect. And like all despots in the past he facilitates between supporting its principles and not, depending on what facilitates his rise to solidifying his power. The only guiding philosophy for him being the opportunistic means of becoming a ‘King’ and destroying the foundations of democracy. Putting instead representatives (for instance in the Supreme Court) that give him immunity to prosecution in his implementation of any means necessary to achieve ‘monarchy’.

[mccoy]

steve, I accept your logic that some of the great masters have carried out political activities in some times of their lives.

If you are willing to reason about that, I'm willing to discuss about the great Paramhansa Yogananda fervently condemning communists. I've always appreciated his words. Whenever I smell communist, soviet propaganda, I develop a sudden distaste.

And, unfortunately, the modern left parties all conserve in some measure some reek of communism and the old soviet Union. The ideals, or the methods. That's why I am biased against left wings. Because our great master warned us against that and because historically they always exhibited a disproportionately immense greed for power and imposition of their ideology.

Some of the above I see in the American democrat elite. Hence, by the words of the supernal Yogananda, I strongly distrust them. In a reasoned and logically explainable way. Supported by the facts.

[mccoy]

I see the hunger for power as personified in Fuhrer Trump in that he is willing to use any means available to wield power and perpetuate his interests in the name of ‘making America great again.’ Notice he is all about America at a time that their should be a dramatic shift in paradigmatic out look and not putting my countries interests above all other countries.

In fact there is no naiveness in his plans as well. They are well thought out and documented in his agenda project 2025. This ‘calculating sinister propaganda’ is the Mein Kampf of the far right. The  Fuhrer in this case being the representative of this movement, not having the intelligence to be its architect. And like all despots in the past he facilitates between supporting its principles and not, depending on what facilitates his rise to solidifying his power. The only guiding philosophy for him being the opportunistic means of becoming a ‘King’ and destroying the foundations of democracy. Putting instead representatives (for instance in the Supreme Court) that give him immunity to prosecution in his implementation of any means necessary to achieve ‘monarchy’.

We see the apparent reality with different eyes. To me, the negative qualities you mention are stronger in the democrat elite as personified presently by Comrad Kamala. What convinced me at last was Tulsi Gabbard, with her logic and clear interpretation of political reality in America.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Interestingly enough I personally liked Tulsi Gabbard and RFK. And I will continue to watch and read her ideas and those of Robert Kennedy both of which I find have many constructive criticisms of the current mood of American politics and political currents, I just do not see them as finding fulfillment in their support of the Fuhrer regime. I see them as disillusioned with the Democratic Party because they were not given expression in their views through the Democratic Party. And that is a major flaw with the Democratic Party. This can also be said of many Republicans who have left their support of Donald Trump and are now supporting Harris. It has also torn apart the right and conservatives.

What I do see as a fatal flaw in both RFK and Tulsi Gabbard though is the support of ending our support of the struggle for democracy in military aid to Ukraine. So I am now asking you mccoy-with your thoughts of the cruelty of Putin and recognizing his evil intents-How can you take her philosophy and put it together with the lack of support she exemplifies in our democracy for helping others with their needs to function independent of aggression by outside forces, in this case Russia and Putin.

Latest….

Donald Trump threatens to imprison Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and others. Experts are worried.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-threatens-imprison-biden-090658476.html

[mccoy]

What I do see as a fatal flaw in both RFK and Tulsi Gabbard though is the support of ending our support of the struggle for democracy in military aid to Ukraine. So I am now asking you mccoy-with your thoughts of the cruelty of Putin and recognizing his evil intents-How can you take her philosophy and put it together with the lack of support she exemplifies in our democracy for helping others with their needs to function independent of aggression by outside forces, in this case Russia and Putin.

Latest….
Donald Trump threatens to imprison Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and others. Experts are worried.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-threatens-imprison-biden-090658476.html

I do concur with your analysis about Gabbard and Kennedy (whom I dont' know much though). We might even be talking about disgruntled ex democrats, but it would appear that the disgruntlement is justified in a way.

Ukrainian War: Tulsi Gabbard explains it in a clear way, she says that America did not make her best to avoid the war and, as I've written previously, it is indeed the truth, both America and Europe. Biden even invited an escalation after the invasion. But after the invasion it was already too late. Europe and America should have seen it before and act to avoid it. It was a failure of the American president and of the European politicians.

Trump says that if he had been in charge there would have been no war and I agree on that. Now he suggests that it may be too late, even though he has undisclosed plans.

Putin remains a dangerous demon but so far the war is completely destroying Ukraine. Better destroyed than conquered you may retort, but I counter retort that it would have been undoubtedly better whole and unconquered.

The above is the rationale behind Gabbard's criticism of the so-called warmongering of the Democrats. Not just cease to support Ukraine, but trying to stop the whole war.

Last, it is so evident that Trump has been persecuted from the first days of his presidency. He dared to challenge the masters of the world and win. The investigation about the alleged support from Russia (without any conclusive evidence), the over 30 charges, similar within them, his continuos demonization and so on, it's all proof of the persecutions he had to undergo.

Biden, Harris, Pelosi, in a few words the Democrat elite has been trying to incarcerate him, it's easy to understand that, in his way of saying what he feels, he would like to incarcerate them if given the possibility. It might even be that he will be incarcerated before the elections though. But It's a way he has to take verbal revenge and I cannot blame him for that.