Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding

[mccoy]

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Mccoy and anyone interested; can you imagine why I would have included this information on this thread as a response?
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Steve, actually, no, I'm missing the link

[Jitendra Hydonus]

[quote author=Jitendra Hydonus link=topic=8808.msg43785#msg43785 date=1699021845
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Mccoy and anyone interested; can you imagine why I would have included this information on this thread as a response?

Steve, actually, no, I'm missing the link… mccoy

Mccoy I recognize your post as having some valid points. But I do not see how there will possibly be reconciliation until we come to a higher age when selfish people like Elon Musk recognize they are not so important to be apart of a few people who own more than 50% of the wealth of a country like the United States. It is very clear to me that capitalism has not worked as a form of government and one day there will come a time that the general population will recognize that nothing is as important as all of our citizens, not just the ones who have most of the wealth and power. Those who have supposedly gained that position by work. Since work itself will become obsolete. Actually we as the general population are enabling these selfish people to create horrible karma for themselves by allowing them so much that others starve and fight for a place to live like the Palestinians are doing today; and that is “the link”.

[mccoy]

... Actually we as the general population are enabling these selfish people to create horrible karma for themselves by allowing them so much that others starve and fight for a place to live like the Palestinians are doing today; and that is “the link”.

Ah, OK, thanks for the elucidation, although I dont' know if such a direct link can be envisaged clearly.

 
Personally, presently I regret not to be able to share your criticism about Elon Musk, I admit though I do not know very, very much about him, so I cannot express an articulated opinion about him.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

... Actually we as the general population are enabling these selfish people to create horrible karma for themselves by allowing them so much that others starve and fight for a place to live like the Palestinians are doing today; and that is “the link”.

Ah, OK, thanks for the elucidation, although I dont' know if such a direct link can be envisaged clearly.

 
Personally, presently I regret not to be able to share your criticism about Elon Musk, I admit though I do not know very, very much about him, so I cannot express an articulated opinion about him.

Not very many people see the connection between their greed, vibrational frequency, apathy and world conditions and conflicts. If they did this world would be completely different!

[guest587]

I thought this was well written,

Dogma is a belief doctrine dictated by a church. And if you are born into a dogmatic family, then you are raised to believe their dogma. As a result, you will see all conflicting religious dogma as evil, you will be divided and conquered.

The main religions used to divide and conquer mankind are the three Abrahamic religions.

Judaic dogma teaches the Jew that they are a member of the chosen race destined to rule over everyone else as a teacher of god’s law. Islamic dogma teaches that all of mankind must somehow submit to Islam. And while there are reportedly forty thousand different denominations of Christianity, most Christian dogma teaches that Christian’s will live in paradise for eternity while everyone else burns in hell.

Many people raised in these religions have been able to personally connect with god and liberate themselves from the divisive dogma. But many others are stuck in group-mind-think. They conflate holy scripture and a priest class with god and put their faith in a doctrine written by man. It has become the ultimate form of mind control and so whoever controls the holy land, controls the world.

In Revelation 2:9 of the King James Bible it warns of, “the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” We are beginning to see this today with the Zionists, who say they are Jews, and are not.

With the help of the United Nations, the British Crown, the Vatican, the NAZIs, and the Rothschild banking dynasty, the land formally known as Palestine was conquered with bloodshed, lies, and bureaucracy. The Zionists, who claim to be secular, declared the land to be Israel, home of the Jews and successfully thrust the once thriving Middle East back into the Middle Ages. The relatively peaceful region was soon transformed into an unending war zone. Decades of US war crimes radicalized many of the Muslim population into becoming terrorists.

Certain radical sects of Judaism and Christianity believe that two-thirds of the Jews must perish. It appears as if the Zionists created Israel as a sacrificial altar to make this happen. Repeating the lesser-magic mantra of what they want to make manifest.

Today we are seeing Zionists begging for genocide. Calling out to “Kill them all” and gas-lighting us into thinking there never was a Palestine, while saying we should “Flatten it” and turn it into “Glass”

We are seeing Christian pastors cheer for mass murder. Pastors saying that “Israel should make the Gaza Strip a parking lot.” And several Evangelical pastors who speak as if Christ will only return if we provide him the blood sacrifice taught in their extreme dogma.

As Israel pushes forward, radicalized young Muslim men who have had their homes destroyed by American bombs are now spread throughout Western nations. The stage is set for the holy war and many are willing to murder in the name of their dogmatic beliefs.

Extremists of all three religions are being used by the hidden hand to foment this war, while the Catholic church has been making preparations for a one-world-religion solution.

Divided we will be conquered. But united we could learn to live as one. In peace. God help us all.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/religious-mind-control-and-the-impending-holy-war/

You don't have to agree with everything written here, but I think I align with Greg Reese's attitude that dogmatic beliefs are the cause of much division- despite it all people have been able to liberate themselves by way of personal connection and personal belief with God. Still, there are those who cling to what is written by man with a militant fervor and condemn others in their ignorance.

I guess this is just another indicator of our consciousness at this time.

[mccoy]

This is a lucid description of the situation by Jordan Peterson (interviewed by Piers Morgan), whom I admire for his logical rigor, articulate speech and religious background. The first 10 minutes are very explanatory but it is well worth to listen to the whole interview. I didn't know that the protests of Harvard students and professors have backlashed against them. Pretty heavily.
Peterson's thesis (which is shared by many analysts I heard) is that the attack from Hamas was spurred by Iran, in order to jeopardize the Abraham accords for peace. The Palestinians populace in this situation has become 'cannon fodder'. Peterson also shares the idea of an extremely antisemitic Hamas organization, which supports the same ideology the nazis supported (extermination of jews everywhere).
Peterson offers a rational narrative that is devoid of ideological biases.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

mccoy you have brought up the Abraham peace accords many times as some important agreement that was successfully implemented by the U.S. and lauded the superficial peace plans of Fuhrer Trumps administration. Let us look at that document here Brother;

The Abraham Accords Declaration:

We, the undersigned, recognize the importance ofmaintaining and strengthening peace in the Middle East and around the world based on mutual understanding and coexistence, as well as respect for human dignity and freedom, including religious freedom.
We encourage efforts to promote interfaith and intercultural dialogue to advance a culture of peace among the three Abrahamic religions and all humanity.
We believe that the best way to address challenges is through cooperation and dialogue and that developing friendly relations among States advances the interests of lasting peace in the Middle East and around the world.
We seek tolerance and respect for every person in order to make this world a place where all can enjoy a life of dignity and hope, no matter their race, faith or ethnicity.
We support science, art, medicine, and commerce to inspire humankind, maximize human potential and bring nations closer together.
We seek to end radicalization and conflict to provide all children a better future.
We pursue a vision of peace, security, and prosperity in the Middle East and around the world.
In this spirit, we warmly welcome and are encouraged by the progress already made in establishing diplomatic relations between Israel and its neighbors in the region under the principles of the Abraham Accords. We are encouraged by the ongoing effmis to consolidate and expand such friendly relations based on shared interests and a shared commitment to a better future.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Abraham-Accords-signed-FINAL-15-Sept-2020-508-1.pdf

The document above looks worthless to me in its attempt at solving practical matters. Am I missing something?

For instance; where does it address the arrogance of the Trump administration in setting up a new capital of Israel on Palestinian land?  Where does it address all the land pilfered by Israel from Palestine to build permanent homes for Israel? Is it any wonder that the Arab world would not abide by such a document ? I ask these simple questions.

Brother mccoy; it is not my intention to discredit your views because I may be wrong, but rather to understand your thoughts and views about a man that has presumably taken part in any successful peace plans for the the United States or any country in the world for that matter. He is a criminal and committed treason against democracy in the United States, an insurrection and is wanted now by his own government for 90 felonies. His whole term was an utter failure 😞 to encourage democracy and compassion for the freedom loving and vulnerable people around the world. Rather, it encouraged dictatorship and spiritual oppression in every corner of our planet and encouraged the wanton destruction of the planet’s ecosystem. At least Hitler loved his dog. Fuhrer Trump has loved nothing but himself and his jaded views that he refuses to acknowledge in any shape or form.

Your support and spiritual insights are welcome always at this site, whether they are in agreement with mine or not. I understand your deep spiritual beliefs and journey…. And know that despite any differences we share you will be a devoted chela of our Gurus and Masters.

[mccoy]

Steve, the accords were just a first step of an agreement which has never been attempted before. The issues you cite were probably in schedule, before this recent war. The Arab world did like the accords. Only Iran did not want the accords because they are shites, enemies of the Sunnites Arabs, the majority, and archenemies of Israel. This is not only my view but the view of many journalists and analysts here.

The accords have not been achieved personally by Trump, but by his administration. To be later stalled by the Biden administration for political reasons.
Trump: not a spiritual man for sure, but a businessman. So, he chose people who were successful businessmen or technicians to implement his ideas.

The accords have been, by words of all people here in Italy (third-party, neutral observers), a masterpiece of diplomacy started by the Trump administration and stalled for obscure reasons by the Biden administration.

I still don't know why you cannot acknowledge the good things started by Trump. He might have been obnoxious, detestable, stubborn until the end, but not everything he did was bad. Not my opinion, again, the opinion of most analysts in a context not tainted by ideology.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, the accords were just a first step of an agreement which has never been attempted before. The issues you cite were probably in schedule, before this recent war. The Arab world did like the accords. Only Iran did not want the accords because they are shites, enemies of the Sunnites Arabs, the majority, and archenemies of Israel. This is not only my view but the view of many journalists and analysts here.

The accords have not been achieved personally by Trump, but by his administration. To be later stalled by the Biden administration for political reasons.
Trump: not a spiritual man for sure, but a businessman. So, he chose people who were successful businessmen or technicians to implement his ideas.

The accords have been, by words of all people here in Italy (third-party, neutral observers), a masterpiece of diplomacy started by the Trump administration and stalled for obscure reasons by the Biden administration.

I still don't know why you cannot acknowledge the good things started by Trump. He might have been obnoxious, detestable, stubborn until the end, but not everything he did was bad. Not my opinion, again, the opinion of most analysts in a context not tainted by ideology.

mccoy it is because he (Trump) can not admit being wrong or having made any moral and legal mistakes. He continues to believe he won and he is the legitimate president. He lives his own reality apart from any reality that even his administration believed in. In fact he either fired, or most of his staff left him with much criticism of his actions, policies and practices. Please remember, even Adolph Hitler loved his dog. And I’m sure Trump enjoyed sexually assaulting and misusing women which he was accused of and had to pay (to keep them quiet) many times. Not my opinion tainted by ideology but that of many women who have stepped forward saying they were rapped by him. I’m sure there were women that liked his abuse, or at least his money. But even that gets old with time. Besides Brother mccoy with your moral indignation about some other person we are both familiar with, I’m surprised that ideology means anything and Trumps depraved moral sentiments would make you flinch. There’s a difference between consensual sex and forced sex that people like the Fuhrer get away with only because of the abuse of money and power.

To take this talk a step further, we should look at this pathetic example of a patriot even be negotiating anything for this country that remotely sounds like anyone’s military. Here is a man who when it came to being drafted to fight for America: Trump made up injury to dodge Vietnam service, his former lawyer testified, and when asked his famous answer; “Would you want a president dumb enough to be drafted?” He also remarked about a Viet Nam war hero; Trump mocked McCain’s status as a war hero, stating that “I like people who were not captured.”

Since you brought up Trump’s administration… let us see just what one of the ones that negotiated many of the Fuhrer’s agendas had to say about him: “God help us”….

Never forget what Trump has said about veterans

Fishkill, N.Y.: John Kelly (photo), four-star Marine general and Donald Trump’s former chief of staff, recently confirmed what had been widely reported and multi-sourced — that Trump has open contempt for veterans, and by extension, active-duty military personnel. It should surprise no one that Trump is the same liar, self-promoter and hypocrite in dealing with veterans as he is with any other group. He sees veterans as a voting box to easily check off by claiming he’s the best patriot ever! He is a seditious autocrat and veterans who pay attention know that.

Kelly confirmed that Trump refused to attend the memorial service for Marines killed at Belleau Wood during World War I. They were “losers,” and besides, it was raining. Late Sen. John McCain ( decorated as a wear hero) was a “loser” for becoming a POW in Vietnam while former President George H.W. Bush was a “loser” for being shot down in World War II. Trump attacked the valorous reputations earned in combat in Vietnam of Marine and Army company commanders. He recently suggested the execution of the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Trump ordered that severely wounded veterans be barred from award ceremonies because “who wants to see that?” and “they make me look bad.”

Samuel Johnson wrote that “patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” Trump is a fake patriot who denigrates real ones. Kelly heard and remembered all of Trump’s contempt for veterans and has confirmed it. His last words in an interview about Trump and the nation were “God help us.” Gerald Browne

Attorney General Barr for Trump…

Barr has since said Trump is unfit to serve as president in 2024, even calling his thinking a “horror show” at an event earlier this year.

“If you believe in his policies, what he’s advertising is his policies, he’s the last person who could actually execute them and achieve them,” Barr said in May during a City Club of Cleveland luncheon. “He does not have the discipline, he does not have the ability for strategic thinking and linear thinking or setting priorities or how to get things done in the system.”

Bill Barr Attorney general for the Fuhrer

The Earth’s temperature briefly rose above a crucial threshold that scientists have been warning for decades could have catastrophic and irreversible impacts on the planet and its ecosystems, data shared by a prominent climate scientist shows.

For the first time, the global average temperature on Friday last week was more than 2 degrees Celsius hotter than levels before industrialization, according to preliminary data shared on X by Samantha Burgess, deputy director of the Copernicus Climate Change Service, based in Europe.

‘Climate change is a hoax of the Chinese government’ ~ Fuhrer Trump

After a three-year delay, the US has become the first nation in the world to formally withdraw from the Paris climate agreement.

President Trump announced the move in June 2017, but UN regulations meant that his decision only takes effect today, the day after the US election.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54797743#Overview

https://www.abc57.com/news/scientists-sound-the-alarm-as-the-world-briefly-smashes-through-2-degree-warming-limit-for-the-first-time

[mccoy]

Steve, do you realize that you have almost become a slave of Mr. Trump? Every time Trump is mentioned, you cannot but rise a huge barrage of criticism. You cannot abstain from this compulsion. Isn't that a form of mental slavery?

Amidst the well-known grotesqueries, he must have done something good, statistically, even if by error.

By the way, his misbehavior with ladies is well known, but, AFAIK, even John Kennedy when away from his wife asked his NSA agents to take whores to him at night. Weird but true. He is regarded as one of the greatest American presidents regardless.

May be you 'll have the patience to listen to this podcast, one of the senior advisers of Trump, the one who proposed the Abraham Accords. Maybe not, but it is undeniable that Trump's administration spawned some good things.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Trump the anti-war president was always a myth

Thanks so much UWE. The link was appreciated and expresses my viewpoint much better than it appears I have myself.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

It appears to be a walk on the razor's edge, in general. While much of the western population doesn't feel heard anymore by their rulers, many of the so-called extreme parties (left or right) are gaining political weight. It is a classical scheme that's taking place all around the globe right now.

Look at Argentina today. Yet I think, Trump might have ended the war in Ukraine if he were president. Despite all his shortcomings I still believe he could have done it. As for his foreign policies he's been less to blame for the divisive state of the international world than the current neocon-current. Multi-polarity, wars, etc. ...

Perhaps so but at what loss to the Ukrainian people? Chamberlain also delayed fighting Hitler but ultimately Churchill had to fight the dictator. In the same way problems with Putin will not end until he is terminated.

Such mindsets as neo con and left and right ideological persuasions are breaking down today. It is much harder to pigeon hole people. The term multi polarity has more of a meaning in international affairs; but I see that as a temporary phenomenon… im not a fortune 🔮 teller of world affairs… a Nostradamus of sorts. I’m just attempting to make sense of it and attempting to promote a view that keeps what I see as transparent evil out of American Democracy which is explicit in the outer behavior of Fuhrer Trump. There is no democracy in this autocrat. And I have never veered from that view since his days as a so called actor, in which he attempted to act out as a President as well.

I’m more of the view of Paramahansa Yogananda when he stated that one day there would be a United States of the world. I definitely do not think he meant by that, we would have our ( United States ) rule the world but rather countries would grip together like NATO today and defend one another against tyranny and oppression by dictatorship.

[mccoy]

Back to the plot of this cosmic TV series...

A few analysts and military people here were pretty skeptic about Israel's military capabilities in an urban environment.

Yet, they surprisingly advanced very rapidly and took hold of most enemy positions. No big traps, just a few casualties.

A good plot always hides a few surprises.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

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UWE thanks for informing us of just how much devastation the Israeli military has proportedly inflicted on Palestine.

[mccoy]

I try not to be influenced by a film, but I see Hamas as the villain of the cosmic film (with reasoned logic), and Hamas attracted a destructive response from its enemy, Israel.

Was the devastation beyond proportion? I think not, it was, in the deranged logic of war and survival, proportionate, or maybe it was below proportion.

Journalists in Europe have been invited to Israelian embassies were videos of the cruelties of the HAmas attacks on civilians were showed. Many scenes from the webcams worn by terrorists. One of the Italian journalists, after the private show, told: "I saw the abyss".

We won't see the cruelties in the media. In Italy (and Europe, I think) it is forbidden to show scenes of torture, cruelties and pornography.

So, back on the cumulative explosive power of Israeli bombs dropped on Gaza, I see it as a natural reaction, aimed at the destruction of the enemies bases, which were purposedly built under schools, hospitals, and private homes.

Again, in this cosmic plot, Israeli's reaction does not seem too harsh and disproportionate to me.