Message #43009

[mccoy]

Re the Ukrainian war. In my opinion, you guys are both right.

This is a war of invasion, started by a corrupt superpower that flaunts having atomic bombs perfectly capable of destroying the West (not citing the fact that it would spell their doom as well). Ukrainians have inherited some of the Russian genes, they are the original Russians, so they have been pretty brutal in their defense, but they just had to defend, no other choice if a national identity had to be saved.
Russia also scared the sh1t out of other nations. She surprised me for sure, I believed some progress had been made from the times of Stalin. Very little, apparently.
It revealed itself for what she is. The ensuing alliance of Western nations was probably unavoidable.

On the other side, there was no effort at de-escalation from the American side, as I've already written, and this has surprised even military commentators. Usually, when a war starts, de-escalation is the first thing tried and may avoid death and ruin. Why this? Biden was the first one to escalate and ignore diplomacy. As evil as Putin may be, why ignore totally the rules of diplomacy? If diplomacy fails, then it is clear that everything was attempted to avoid the total ruin of a nation (Ukraine). We cannot say this attempt has been made. Why?
Even Arjuna tried a de-escalation with his cousins, and after they made clear they would have never come to terms, he unwillingly took up arms.

In my limited vision, of course Russia is the villain here, but the West, America first, seems not to have made all the possible to avoid harm from the villain.

I agree with Italy supporting Ukraine, but only because things are without another remedy now. Some blame for this conflict, for not having been able to avoid it, should be taken by America and Europe.