Tyrants

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Mccoy If what you are saying is true; that Hitler won by 90% of the vote, we have a situation much worse, here in the states, because Trump lost by over five million votes, and his electoral vote, which he intended to overthrow was much worst. He lost 306 Biden to 232 Biden. Unlike Hitler, we are talking about a man here who attempted to overthrow the will of the people and conspired to destroy our democracy. I suggest you look at the links here, there are many other charges here also.

Including computer crimes;

How alleged computer crimes figure into the latest indictments


This Jan. 7, 2021, image taken from Coffee County, Ga., security footage, appears to show Cathy Latham (center, turquoise top) introducing members of a computer forensics team to local election officials at the county elections office in Douglas. (Coffee County via AP)

Four people who pushed the false claims that former President Donald Trump won the 2020 election face charges of conspiracy to commit computer theft, conspiracy to commit computer trespass and conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy, according to the indictment released Monday night in Georgia.

https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2020-us-presidential-election-results-live-map/

Former President Donald Trump and 18 of his allies have been indicted by a grand jury in Georgia on criminal charges stemming from Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’s sprawling investigation into their attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in that state.

The indictment lists 41 felony counts, including violation of the Georgia's RICO (or Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) Act; false statements and writings; conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer; and influencing witnesses, among others. Trump has been charged with 13 counts — including a charge of violating Georgia's RICO (or Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) Act.

[Click here to read the full 98-page indictment]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-indictment-georgia-live-updates-19-defendants-rico-fani-willis-gop-reactions-125158188.html

Fuhrer Trump?

Steve, the comparison is funny but I believe not very close to reality.

Trump is a picturesque guy who spoke what he thought and therefore hated by many. I don't like him particularly and he has shot himself in the foot after the facts of Capitol Hill, revealing to be not too cunning. However, he represented about 50% of Americans, who wanted in power a figure which was less political and more business-like. And who disliked the excesses of the left. He had to have some qualities to become the POTUS.

Hitler was a totally different ballgame. A sinister personage, inspired by a powerful demon, who was able to deceive most Germans and above all the Catholic Church. And he was proud of the latter. He was voted chancellor by 90% of Germans if I'm not wrong, Uwe will correct me in case.

Hitler was a demonic genius, dedicated to the obliteration of a whole ethnic group, who organized an invincible army. After a few years though his brain started to lose the initial efficiency, maybe it was the result of the demonic suggestions, which ended up destabilizing his mind. And causing his doom, together with the ruin of a whole nation, with the facts recounted by Uwe that are well known.

Trump seems to be nothing like that. He was not too cunning, nor evil, as the facts have shown.

Dean testifies during a hearing on Capitol Hill in 2019. (Saul Loeb/AFP via Getty Images)

John Dean, who served as White House counsel for President Richard Nixon, said Monday night that the indictments against former President Donald Trump and his allies in Georgia are “much bigger than Watergate.”

Appearing on CNN, host Kaitlan Collins asked Dean whether he sees echoes of the Nixon-era scandal in the Georgia case.

“It’s much bigger than Watergate,” Dean said. “It’s of a whole different dimension. It goes to the very foundation of democracy. Nixon abused some powers, he exceeded his authority when he shouldn’t, but he wasn’t taking on the basics of the country.”

Read more of Dean's comments via the Hill here.

[mccoy]

Steve, thanks for having moved the Trump topic in a more suited thread.

I think you are a little too obsessed with Donald Trump, former builder, and owner of TV stations. You are actually demonizing him but with abundant overestimation.

Hitler was so smart to win by 90% of the votes, and he was a true demon.

Trump was so little smart not to win even a second mandate.

I won't go into the details of the indictments, since he probably did something very wrong, but in policy, it is a very used strategy to tear down opponents by presenting multiple charges with the aid of politicized attorneys. It happened in Italy as well.

Again, you are devoting probably too much energy to someone who in my opinion has not been smart at all, shooting his own foot and paving the ground to the moves of his enemies. Presently you are apparently also beating a dead horse. Unless the horse will resuscitate for some magic occurrence, maybe because of the martyrdom he will be bestowed by the exaggerations of his very enemies...

[guest587]

Yes, it is quite tyrannical what they are doing to President Trump. They gave a similar treatment to Alex Jones. Many of the lies are being exposed now. We know Joe Biden is not the legitimate president. We know the US is compromised. Just recently RFK JR admitted the US has bioweapon labs in Ukraine- something that was at one point heavily criticized as misinformation. He went on to admit we have biolabs here that are extremely dangerous.

What other lies will be exposed? Donald Trump was not wrong to say we have a two tier justice system. Should we focus on the Biden crimes that are coming to surface... Including details from, "the laptop from hell" which were intentionally suppressed during his presidential run?

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"The Fulton County, Georgia, court’s website briefly published – and then removed – a document on Monday listing criminal charges against former President Donald Trump. The release of the document came before the grand jury had finished convening."

According to Reuters, Fulton County posted charges to their docket BEFORE the grand jury had even finished,” reported Human Events editor Jack Posobiec. “This means the grand jury has been completely tainted.“

“How can they objectively vote on charges when they’ve already heard of the decision to charge? They tampered with the Grand Jury.”
https://www.infowars.com/posts/democrats-screw-the-pooch-georgia-court-releases-trump-indictment-before-grand-jury-finished-vote/

Official statement by presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy

Here we go again: another disastrous Trump indictment. It’s downright pathetic that Fulton County publicly posted the indictment on its website even before the grand jury had finished convening. Since the four prosecutions against Trump are using novel & untested legal theories, it’s fair game for him to do the same in defense: immediately file a motion to dismiss for a constitutional due process violation for publicly issuing an indictment before the grand jury had actually signed one. He should make a strong argument on these grounds & it would send a powerful message to the ever-expansive prosecutorial police state. As someone who’s running for President against Trump, I’d volunteer to write the amicus brief to the court myself: prosecutors should not be deciding U.S. presidential elections, and if they’re so overzealous that they commit constitutional violations, then the cases should be thrown out & they should be held accountable.

Don't they realize what they're doing to Donald Trump means creating a rise in the very thing they're against? You're so worried about Hitler but it would seem Donald Trumps enemies are creating the charisma he needs by attacking him in such a way that they are building the foundations of this Hitleresque self-fulfilling prophecy. Just saying.

*Shrug*

[guest587]

Is Trump right to call Joe Biden the Manchurian candidate?

Something many of us never saw on the news-

Inventor Jovan Pulitzer was the star of the show this week when he testified before Georgia lawmakers.

On Wednesday during his live testimony before the Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Elections, Pulitzer remotely accessed a Dominion Voting Machine — LIVE during his testimony.

Pulitzer confirmed that the Georgia runoff IS connected to the internet.

He established a two-way communication from a polling pad in a voting center.

“At this very moment at a polling location in the county, not only do we have access through the devices to the poll pad–the system, but WE ARE IN,” Pulitzer said.

On Thursday during a livestream, Pulitzer revealed the electronic voting machine was communicating with a vendor in China.

Pulitzer also said that he will soon be breaking two huge reports on the voting machines soon.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/must-watch-video-jovan-pulitzer-reveals-electronic-voting-machines-georgia-communicating-vendor-china/

https://www.sott.net/article/446543-More-evidence-of-election-fraud-revealed-at-Georgia-hearing-Jovan-Pulitzers-team-hacks-Dominion-committee-votes-to-audit-State-Farm-ballots

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Eric, I have no challenges with you continuously attempting to justify or find problems with our voting process. In fact I would have liked to have seen the results decided by the American people, in a popular vote, instead of the electoral college…. A system we presently use. Had it been so Fuhrer Trump would have never made it to first base. He lost so overwhelmingly both times. Yet the fact that the Fuhrer defrauded the United States government is a different matter. Not to speak of all the people he has defrauded in his life and the ego mania he epitomizes as well as the tyrants he glorifies.

Steve, thanks for having moved the Trump topic in a more suited thread.

I think you are a little too obsessed with Donald Trump, former builder, and owner of TV stations. You are actually demonizing him but with abundant overestimation.

Hitler was so smart to win by 90% of the votes, and he was a true demon.

Trump was so little smart not to win even a second mandate.

I won't go into the details of the indictments, since he probably did something very wrong, but in policy, it is a very used strategy to tear down opponents by presenting multiple charges with the aid of politicized attorneys. It happened in Italy as well.

Again, you are devoting probably too much energy to someone who in my opinion has not been smart at all, shooting his own foot and paving the ground to the moves of his enemies. Presently you are apparently also beating a dead horse. Unless the horse will resuscitate for some magic occurrence, maybe because of the martyrdom he will be bestowed by the exaggerations of his very enemies...

mccoy you are entitled to your opinion and if it is right, I’m sure the guru’s will continue to expose my obsessions until they are taken care of in my spiritual journey. If the ‘horse does resuscitate’ it will only be because wise people said nothing when evil was let lose upon the world stage. One thing you may want to keep in mind; MAGA people that supported Fuhrer Trump put me in jail with a large fine, for what I considered to be a first amendment right; freedom of speech.

Edmund Burke;

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”
The persons advancing the evil, whether in command or the rank-and-file, must be strong and determined; and the lukewarm must be either cowed into submission or willing to go along because the evil seems to prosper,” Bromwich told Reuters.

Furhrer Trump is determined and willing to cower his opponents into submission with his abusive language and acts against them, and with him others get the impression that evil propers because of the way he made his money and it was given to him.

[mccoy]

One thing you may want to keep in mind; MAGA people that supported Fuhrer Trump put me in jail with a large fine, for what I considered to be a first amendment right; freedom of speech.

OK, I understand that it is very personal and the fruit of an injustice suffered, but I believe that not everyone on the side of Trump is like that, even as not everyone on the side of the Dems supports the riots erupting for true or alleged injustices to minorities. Riots damaging the same minorities for whom the protests and riots were happening.

And again, all observers (in Italy as well) agree that Trump may come out a martyr out of the attempts to demonize him.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

One thing you may want to keep in mind; MAGA people that supported Fuhrer Trump put me in jail with a large fine, for what I considered to be a first amendment right; freedom of speech.

OK, I understand that it is very personal and the fruit of an injustice suffered, but I believe that not everyone on the side of Trump is like that, even as not everyone on the side of the Dems supports the riots erupting for true or alleged injustices to minorities. Riots damaging the same minorities for whom the protests and riots were happening.

And again, all observers (in Italy as well) agree that Trump may come out a martyr out of the attempts to demonize him.

Have i ever said that everyone on the side of Trump "is like that"?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

One thing you may want to keep in mind; MAGA people that supported Fuhrer Trump put me in jail with a large fine, for what I considered to be a first amendment right; freedom of speech.

OK, I understand that it is very personal and the fruit of an injustice suffered, but I believe that not everyone on the side of Trump is like that, even as not everyone on the side of the Dems supports the riots erupting for true or alleged injustices to minorities. Riots damaging the same minorities for whom the protests and riots were happening.

And again, all observers (in Italy as well) agree that Trump may come out a martyr out of the attempts to demonize him.

On the contrary mccoy there are many MEGA people who have made me into a martyr. But you will not here about those people. Instead of lynching them like what was done in the old days they just push them out of society on false charges and destroy their reputation with lies. Somewhat as Trump did to McCain and attempted to do with Obama to name only two. But his behavior has always been to ruin the reputation of others. And many of his followers take him as an example. That is what makes him so dangerous to the world.

This believe this is Trumps philosophy in a nut shell:



MAY 1, 2017
What Is Donald Trump’s Governing Philosophy?
More than 100 days into his presidency, it seems fair to ask.

Not long ago Trump adviser Stephen Miller declared “the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.” Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, and Hamilton would have been appalled.
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By Robert Reich / RobertReich.org

Donald Trump. (Andrew Harnik / AP)

After more than 100 days into his presidency, it seems fair to ask: What is Donald Trump’s governing philosophy?

He isn’t really a Republican (he didn’t join the GOP until 2012). He’s hardly a free-market conservative (he’s eager to block trade and immigration). No one would mistake him for a libertarian (he’s okay with preventing abortions and gay marriage).

So what is he? An authoritarian.

Political scientists use this term to describe a way of governing that values order and control over personal freedom, and seeks to concentrate power in the hands of a single “strongman.”

Viewed through the lens of authoritarianism, Trump’s approach to governing is logical and coherent.

For example, an authoritarian wouldn’t follow the normal process in a constitutional democracy for disputing a judicial decision he dislikes – which is to appeal it to a higher court.

An authoritarian would instead assail judges who rule against him, as Trump has done repeatedly. He’d also threaten to hobble the offending courts, as Trump did last week in urging that the 9th Circuit (where many of these decisions have originated) be broken up.

Likewise, an authoritarian has no patience for normal legislative rules – designed, as they are in a democracy, to create opportunities for deliberation.

Which is why Trump told Mitch McConnell to use the “nuclear option” against the time-honored Senate filibuster, in order to confirm Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

Last week, Trump called House and Senate rules “archaic,” and urged they be abandoned. “We don’t have a lot of closers in politics, and I understand why: It’s a very rough system. It’s an archaic system,” he said.

Through the eyes of an authoritarian, rules that block what the authoritarian wants to do are always “bad for the country,” as Trump said of them.

Trump would like to get rid of the filibuster altogether. “The filibuster concept is not a good concept to start off with.”

An authoritarian also seeks to intimidate the press, in order to avoid criticism and consolidate his power.

Trump still doesn’t miss an opportunity to assail the media for publishing “fake news.” His chief of staff has revived Trump’s campaign proposal to widen libel laws so that he can sue the press for stories he doesn’t like.

Authoritarians do not tolerate other levels of government with their own powers and responsibilities. Which is why Trump wants to force states and cities to report on unauthorized immigrants, even though this violates the principle of federalism enshrined in the 10th Amendment.

Finally, authoritarians promote other authoritarians, in an effort to normalize authoritarian rule.

Last Saturday, Trump invited President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines to visit the White House. 

Duterte, you should know, is an authoritarian leader accused of ordering extrajudicial killings of thousands of people suspected of using or selling narcotics as well as others who may have had no involvement with drugs. He has referred to former President Barack Obama as a “son of a whore.” And he has declared open season on suspected terrorists, saying that if he were presented with a suspected terrorist, “give me salt and vinegar and I’ll eat his liver.”

Two weeks ago, Trump phoned to congratulate President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey for his victory in a referendum filled with voting irregularities that expanded Erdogan’s powers and has put Turkey on the road to dictatorship. 

Trump also opined that the recent terrorist attack in Paris will help the right-wing extremist Marine Le Pen.

Trump has praised President Xi Jinping of China, the most authoritarian leader China has had since Mao Zedong.

Trump also hosted at the White House Egyptian president Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, who had not been granted an invitation to the White House since seizing power in a military coup almost four years ago.

And don’t forget Trump’s vow during the presidential campaign to pursue a warmer relationship with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. (The effort has faltered in light of possible links between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.)

Donald Trump’s authoritarianism is a consistent and coherent philosophy of governing. But it’s not America’s. 

In fact, the Framers of the U.S. Constitution created separation of powers, checks and balances, and federalism precisely to avoid concentrated power. Their goal was to stop authoritarians like Donald Trump.

Not long ago Trump adviser Stephen Miller declared “the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.” Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, and Hamilton would have been appalled.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

“The most evil person I’ve ever met” – Trump’s former aide shares unsettling thoughts on former POTUS

https://buzzloving.com/the-most-evil-person-ive-ever-met-trumps-former-aide-shares-unsettling-thoughts-on-former-potus/

Former Cabinet member explains 'Trump is the most evil man I ever met'

[mccoy]

Steve, again I understand your aversion, but in my opinion, you are greatly overestimating Mr. Trump by calling him Fuhrer Trump. If he was a tyrant, it appears to me that he was not a very capable one. He was  only able to remain in power for 4 years, a single mandate. Not such a big achievement of tyranny.

Also, I think that by speaking about him again and again, you are giving him perhaps strength and importance, even though I understand sometimes that's just as a reply to Eric.

[guest587]

If a hostile nation put military facilities along our borders, would that be considered provocation? What if instead of military bases they were bioweapons research facilities?

As we have noted earlier, U.S. military-biological activity pose a security threat to many nations around the world.

Despite the fact that the stated goals of U.S. programmes are to monitor disease incidence and provide assistance to developing countries, in fact, we see the Pentagon conducting uncontrolled dual-use research in circumvention of international obligations under the BTWC.

Detailed report:
https://telegra.ph/Briefing-by-Chief-of-Nuclear-Chemical-and-Biological-Protection-Troops-of-the-Armed-Forces-of-the-Russian-Federation-Lieutenant--08-16-2

Kirillov broke down how the Pentagon’s “dual-use” research violated Articles I and IV of the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) of 1972, which has been adopted by most countries.

Article I of the BWC states that nations may never under any circumstances develop, produce, stockpile, acquire, or retain biological weapons.

Article IV states that nations are required to implement the provisions of the BWC domestically, which Russia accuses U.S. is violating by setting up biolabs near the borders of its geopolitical opponents, namely in Ukraine which borders Russia.

The report also included a detailed graphic illustrating the U.S. government’s bioweapon pipeline and how it originated with key members of the Democratic Party, including Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and George Soros.

These Democrats then primed agencies of the executive branch to launder money through non-governmental organizations like the Clinton Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation to then fund biolabs in Ukraine through companies like Metabiota and Black & Veatch and Ukraine’s Defense Ministry, the graphic suggests.

The bioweapons data is then sent to Big Pharma companies for vaccine research and development, whose profits are then kicked back to the Democrats to continue the nefarious cycle.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/wwiii-alert-russia-claims-pentagon-creating-bioweapons-in-ukraine-to-impose-global-control/

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, again I understand your aversion, but in my opinion, you are greatly overestimating Mr. Trump by calling him Fuhrer Trump. If he was a tyrant, it appears to me that he was not a very capable one. He was  only able to remain in power for 4 years, a single mandate. Not such a big achievement of tyranny.

Also, I think that by speaking about him again and again, you are giving him perhaps strength and importance, even though I understand sometimes that's just as a reply to Eric.

I respect your opinion mccoy and that of others here as well, I have never hinted I am infallible in my evaluations of others. But I see a very danger to democracy itself with Fuhrer Trump, he is not the kind of man that respects any type of human decisions on who should be elected. His praise always went to tyrants across the globe. He attempted to change the judicial system, undermine voting rights, and pardoned hard core criminals in this nation. What beacon of democracy would be left if he became President again? He needs to be recognized for what he is; a thug.

It is not just a reply to Eric but rather a testimony and evaluation by many psychiatrists around the world. He is a sociopath, and shows no remorse in his criminal acts against humanity. In modern psychiatry he would be classified in,  Antisocial personality disorder. I can point to countless psychiatrists that would characterize his behavior as such, besides being a narcissist and an egomaniac. He would be a very dangerous example to the world if he comes to power again. Furhrer Trump is the most dangerous example to democracy this nation has ever witnessed as ‘President’. I recognized this very early on and have no sane reason to retract or even temper that intuition. I have always felt this to be true and would gladly put an end to such comments if I did not recognize his criminal mentality and cult like following similar to Charles Manson.

Hitler on peace

From Adolf Hitler, The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. London: Oxford University Press, 1942.
2 February 1933: Any one like myself who knows what war is is aware of what a squandering of effort, or rather consumption of strength, is involved. (p. 1003)
23 March 1933: The German nation wishes to live in peace with the rest of the world. (pp. 1016-17)
17 May 1933: It is, however, in the interests of all that present-day problems should be solved in a reasonable and final manner. No new European war could improve the unsatisfactory conditions of the present day.
On the contrary, the application of violence of any kind in Europe could have no favourable effect upon the political or economic position which exists to-day. Even the ultimate effect would be to increase the disturbance of European equilibrium and thus, in one manner or another, to sow the seed of further conflicts and complications.
The result would be fresh wars, fresh uncertainty, and fresh economic distress. The outbreak of such infinite madness, however, would necessarily cause the collapse of the present social and political order. A Europe sinking into Communistic chaos would bring about a crisis, the extent and duration of which could not be foreseen.
It is the earnest desire of the National Government of the German Reich to prevent such a disturbing development by means of its honest and active co-operation. (p. 1046)

Fuhrer Trump?

Steve, the comparison is funny but I believe not very close to reality.

Trump is a picturesque guy who spoke what he thought and therefore hated by many. I don't like him particularly and he has shot himself in the foot after the facts of Capitol Hill, revealing to be not too cunning. However, he represented about 50% of Americans, who wanted in power a figure which was less political and more business-like. And who disliked the excesses of the left. He had to have some qualities to become the POTUS.

Hitler was a totally different ballgame. A sinister personage, inspired by a powerful demon, who was able to deceive most Germans and above all the Catholic Church. And he was proud of the latter. He was voted chancellor by 90% of Germans if I'm not wrong, Uwe will correct me in case.

Hitler was a demonic genius, dedicated to the obliteration of a whole ethnic group, who organized an invincible army. After a few years though his brain started to lose the initial efficiency, maybe it was the result of the demonic suggestions, which ended up destabilizing his mind. And causing his doom, together with the ruin of a whole nation, with the facts recounted by Uwe that are well known.

Trump seems to be nothing like that. He was not too cunning, nor evil, as the facts have shown.

Your evaluation seems unlikely to me mccoy. Hitler did not learn from history and the aggression of Napoleon into Russia. In fact he made the grave error of his efforts to conquer, of fighting on three fronts at the same time; Asia, Russia and Europe.

Trump also relies on his cult like charisma, and the danger of his followers is that they willingly and complacently follow his lead and influence, similar to Charles Manson, Hitler and Putin.

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The prevailing narrative is called Doublethink it is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.

Wikipedia

[mccoy]

Steve, I respect your opinion as well, after all the same opinion you have of Trump I have of Mr Donald Walters, aka Kryiananda. I really have him in the lowest regard, in a more or less justified way.

Re. Hitler. The comparison does not appear to be fair. Trump did not conquer anything, except some material wealth. Hitler conquered almost all Europe and half Russia, after his fatal mistake. My opinion is that, by allowing his brain to be manipulated by a powerful demon, he lost mental lucidity and started making one error after the other.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, I respect your opinion as well, after all the same opinion you have of Trump I have of Mr Donald Walters, aka Kryiananda. I really have him in the lowest regard, in a more or less justified way.

Re. Hitler. The comparison does not appear to be fair. Trump did not conquer anything, except some material wealth. Hitler conquered almost all Europe and half Russia, after his fatal mistake. My opinion is that, by allowing his brain to be manipulated by a powerful demon, he lost mental lucidity and started making one error after the other.

When put that way; I get it. Only you would twist it around to suit your (divine?) purpose.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Let's just face it:

The world is run by oligarchs (they exist in industrial form these days), no matter where. Pretending to rule the world and bringing peace and so-called democracy to foreign countries and continents is and has been an Umrican fad. A fad that may venture to destroy the planet…

In the case of Ukraine 🇺🇦 they asked for help. We did also and France helped us become a democracy. So I ask this; what form of government would work better than a democracy? When someone has a criticism it is helpful to have a solution. Otherwise it is just a complaint.