Tyrants

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Oops, I found that link to be behind a paywall without knowing when I posted it. So here's a different, more "Umrican perspective" not giving that same essence, but still, some of it, as Mearsheimer is as Umrican as political historians can get:

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/07/30/john-mearsheimer-ukraine-war-is-a-long-term-danger/

I don't think you understood, Stevie.

Maybe?

If so, some food for thought may be found here:

https://mate.substack.com/p/us-proxy-warriors-fear-that-ukrainians

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Although I did not yet read the whole article yet that you sent Uwi;  I just feel the same way about you as you do about me. I don’t think you understand but also am leaving room for mistakes here, with a ‘maybe’. I really think this goes far beyond winning the war against Russians. It has to do with the integrity of a people and not allowing others to bull doze you down. These intellectuals turn it into a win lose situation. Maybe 🤔 the Ukrainian’s don’t think of it this way. They may just say we are fighting for our survival. We are fighting because we are dealing with people that are truly evil and they would like to just mow us down like the Chinese did at Tiananmen Square, and Putin has done as well as the Russian government for years, as for instance just going into Czechoslovakia or Hungary and mowing down anyone who disagrees. Or just murdering everyone who disagrees with you, or putting them in prison for the rest of their life.

I believe there are people who will fight to the death for a cause regardless of the circumstances or consequences. It is not a practical matter of will we win or not, it is an ethical issue of what is right and wrong. First I want you to respond to that and then, I’ll keep reading and perhaps continue the discussion.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

This body; the last response you made is difficult for the reader because of all the quotes ( perhaps mine are that way as well) this thread started with the invasion of Ukraine. You have brought it to a discussion about the invasion of your homeland and personal property. And made it into a discussion of Afghanistan and the war that lasted 20 years there not to mention the invasion Russia had also fought there. I never agreed to the wars we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq and was quite vocally against them. I am talking about the invasion of other countries to actually take them as some nations have done. I’m not here to defend the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, since I was against getting involved. The United States is not involved in any wars to take nations as our own. And has not been since it’s inception. But I’m not sure where you are taking this subject, it confuses me. I was talking about tyrants invading other nations to take them as their own. You have turned it into a discussion about the invasion of your homeland or personal property. I would agree with you on those points, but fail to see the correlation with my original thread.

We appreciate your countries support in defending Ukraine’s sovereignty.

Thanks

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I would never belittle your views. This country I was born to has made many serious mistakes. I have no problems with your views Uwi. Does it really feel that I do? I am only expressing the view that we - you and your nation, and me and mine- have the unique opportunity to help other nations find freedom to exercise our views unlike other nations like  China Russia and North Korea. I have never said that we do not have our own challenges in our nations as well. I get the feeling we are knit picking over vocabulary. And at times you throw mud against the wall to see if it sticks. And while it may, in my case it soon dries and falls to the ground. Do you get the feeling I don’t care to hear your views because they are different than yours? But think of this; would you rather live in Germany today or Iran and Afghanistan? Tyrannical powers exist in every part of the world, including our nations, throughout history. Yet where are most people imprisoned because of their views? Certainly not Germany. If anyone has criticized the United Clones of Ameretards more than myself I would be surprised. Yet like you, I am born into a country where I have been exposed to many saints and have been in the presence of Masters. Can other inhabitants of nations like China and Russia have such an abundance of blessings as say a Paramahansa Yogananda or an Amma who have come to our countries? Should we not feel compassion and a necessity to help other less fortunate countries?

We cannot always welcome all views. If we were to do this,
we would also welcome Putins views that it’s ok to imprison and murder those who disagree. It is ok to torture and harvest the organs of Falun Gong meditators in China because XI has that view.  Or it is ok for Americans to exploit the resources of other nations because of greed for McDonalds hamburgers. Or it is ok for Germans or Americans to invade other nations as both our countries have in the past and continue to exploit other less fortunate nations. No I do not welcome all views because some of them are blatantly cruel. And if we sympathize with such people in their crimes we ourselves are accomplices to such crimes.

I am not here to look at Germans past crimes against humanity. If you are here to list all the crimes of America that is your prerogative. I am not defending this nation, because we are not being invaded, but other nations are. And I feel fortunate that you and I are in nations that are helping defend less fortunate nations that do not have the defense to defend themselves against bullies.


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In the case of Ukraine 🇺🇦 they asked for help. We did also and France helped us become a democracy. So I ask this; what form of government would work better than a democracy? When someone has a criticism it is helpful to have a solution. Otherwise it is just a complaint.

I believe there are people who will fight to the death for a cause regardless of the circumstances or consequences. It is not a practical matter of will we win or not, it is an ethical issue of what is right and wrong. First I want you to respond to that and then, I’ll keep reading ( the article you posted in this thread) and perhaps continue the discussion.

Steve - I only answered your questions quoted up here in this post of mine. I thought you were interested in a discussion. But maybe that was a wrong interpretation of your posts on my end.

Maybe, my thoughts just aren't welcome?

Let me say it (again) there is a substantial mass of people on this planet today, who despise America's regime-change wars, election meddling, puppet regimes, etc. Therefore, America by many people is see as a tyrant, too.

Since the thread is named tyrant, I think it may be fair to say so here. - No?

I am well aware that there are people critical of United Clones. There are people who despise what Germany has done as well and continues to do. We- your country and this one I live in - cannot defend or condone many of our past and present deeds but does this absolve us of the awareness of the request for help by a nation who has asked for it? No I do not think it does. I do not think that we presently have even close to the blood on our hands that the Chinese communists do and the Putin regime does. We (both of our countries ) are not presently invading other countries as Putin has or XI threatens to do so. That is my view. You are entitled to your own as Eric is also.

Lastly I want to review your statement below

“Let me say it (again) there is a substantial mass of people on this planet today, who despise America's regime-change wars, election meddling, puppet regimes, etc. Therefore, America by many people is see as a tyrant, too.”

I agree with you. I am not defending our wrong actions. But rather advocating right actions which your nation and this one has made together recently.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Bhagavad Gita

What does Krishna told Arjuna about killing? Krishna tells Arjuna to arise with a brave heart and push forward to destroy the enemy. When Arjuna questions how he can support such sin, Krishna says there is no such thing as the killer and the killed, that the body is merely flesh -- and that at the time of death he attains another body.


Lord Krishna convinced Arjuna to fight in the battle against his relatives by reciting Bhagavad Gita, a 700 verse in Sanskrit1. He invoked the concept of dharma, sacred duty, which sustains the cosmic order23. As a member of the warrior class, Arjuna had the primary sacred duty of fighting righteous battles2. Krishna told Arjuna to arise with a brave heart and push forward to destroy the enemy1. Arjuna's banner bore the emblem of Lord Hanumana4.

[guest587]

I think the US has been invaded and by the time people here(the US) who think otherwise realize this- it'll be too late. There's a very intelligent and systematic destruction happening here and its being heavily funded. We certainly do not have an equal justice system, and the only way Joe Biden could ever get the most votes in US history is if there was some form of election interference. Seriously, do people really believe this man to be the record holder for American votes? I recently saw a thread about, "putins thuggery" and was tempted to add the, "clinton body count" to that thread. By the way, I'm pretty sure she's still contesting the election was stolen from her. New precedents have been set. I speculate September will be a very messy month for this nation.

Stay strong spiritual family.

PS,
I hope we don't lose you Uwe, I know these topics can be tiring. Especially when we call ourselves the spiritual portal, but I have sincerely enjoyed your post.

Many of us on this good earth, including myself are over opinionated and are learning how to navigate. I have discovered that friction isn't actually because someone is so different from us but where it is the strongest is usually because someone is showing us something we don't like about ourselves.

It's like two alpha personalities constantly blaming the other for their grievances, lol I've seen it!

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, I respect your opinion as well, after all the same opinion you have of Trump I have of Mr Donald Walters, aka Kryiananda. I really have him in the lowest regard, in a more or less justified way.

Re. Hitler. The comparison does not appear to be fair. Trump did not conquer anything, except some material wealth. Hitler conquered almost all Europe and half Russia, after his fatal mistake. My opinion is that, by allowing his brain to be manipulated by a powerful demon, he lost mental lucidity and started making one error after the other.

I believe I understand your aversion mccoy. Remarkably though, it took a ‘renegade’ monk to satisfy Paramahansa Yogananda’s vision of building self sustaining communities like Ananada to defy the status quo of a Walmart and Walgreens in every community in the United Clones of Ameretards. And to get the Autobiography free on the internet. Today, when the vision of money being removed from our consciousness and the evil selfishness of a few wealthy families in the Clones……to share in a spiritual community with the service of its participants is rather remarkable to say the least.