Can we still stomach the idea that climate change is a hoax?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Studies have shown that climate change is increasing the frequency, severity and duration of extreme heat events. A recent analysis by Climate Central, a New Jersey-based nonprofit research group, found that human-caused global warming made this month's heat wave in Texas and Mexico at least five times more likely to occur.

https://www.ipcc.ch/2021/08/09/ar6-wg1-20210809-pr/

[mccoy]

Steve, as I repeat, the narrative of climate change has been unfortunately polluted by ideology. When science is influenced by ideology, doctrine, politics and so on, it ceases to be true science. Regretfully, the fact that ideology influences the narrative, at both extremes, is evident. On one extreme, some TV stations do not miss the occasion to relate any anomalous even to anthropogenic climate change. On the other, there are still some drastic deniers.

My considerate opinion is that there are some changes occurring and warming has been ascertained but on the causality side it is not perfectly clear what is happening since the information is not reliable.

What I know is that the solution proposed by the hard-core supporters of anthropogenic climate change is to build more nuclear power stations, and that may be a remedy far worse than illness.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, as I repeat, the narrative of climate change has been unfortunately polluted by ideology. When science is influenced by ideology, doctrine, politics and so on, it ceases to be true science. Regretfully, the fact that ideology influences the narrative, at both extremes, is evident. On one extreme, some TV stations do not miss the occasion to relate any anomalous even to anthropogenic climate change. On the other, there are still some drastic deniers.

My considerate opinion is that there are some changes occurring and warming has been ascertained but on the causality side it is not perfectly clear what is happening since the information is not reliable.

What I know is that the solution proposed by the hard-core supporters of anthropogenic climate change is to build more nuclear power stations, and that may be a remedy far worse than illness.

GENEVA, Aug 9 – Scientists are observing changes in the Earth’s climate in every region and across the whole climate system, according to the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Report, released today. Many of the changes observed in the climate are unprecedented in thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years, and some of the changes already set in motion—such as continued sea level rise—are irreversible over hundreds to thousands of years.

However, strong and sustained reductions in emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases would limit climate change. While benefits for air quality would come quickly, it could take 20-30 years to see global temperatures stabilize, according to the IPCC Working Group I report, Climate Change 2021: the Physical Science Basis, approved on Friday by 195 member governments of the IPCC, through a virtual approval session that was held over two weeks starting on July 26.

https://www.ipcc.ch/about/

First of all I would listen to a Master over any human think tank. Amma has been talking about our effect on the environment for over 20 years and has been recommending and is a living example of how to help the human imprint of climate devastation and environmental destruction. I have also noticed that almost all the spiritual Masters and their followers are now advocating a simpler life style that is more beneficial for the environment, and I’d rather no be risking more mistakes that humanity has made in diet, living and our lives result on our environment. It is much better to follow their example than to live a lifestyle that suits most of humanity today. So I am also definitely a supporter of “hard-core anthropogenic climate change” as you have coined it mccoy. However, unlike your analysis above; I am not a supporter of nuclear power at this time for several reasons that do not apply to this specific thread. The human imprint in climate change is now beyond any doubt as far as taking action that would risk not having that view. In plainer words; Can we risk not admitting that we are the main cause of climate change when we are now clearly situated on the abyss presently in regards to our environment?

Secondly listen to the view of Robert Kennedy on nuclear power. ‘As long as insurance companies will not cover the catastrophic effects of nuclear power how can we use it.? ‘ He has recommended solar power and I would include wind power for the time being, these two appear to be much cheaper and safer to use. While I presently still use gasoline for my car, I do have solar panels and limited solar panel use for electricity and heat, so I’m headed in that direction. Many spiritual friends I know use better gas mileage cars and/or cars that use a combination of gas and electricity. When I can afford a car that is more environmentally friendly I will do the same. Presently I recycle ♻️ everything I eat and use and help others do the same. I am also living off the land with my own gardens and attempting to live in housing accommodations more environmentally friendly ~ steve hydonus
https://www.kqed.org/news/31875/interview-robert-f-kennedy-jr-on-nuclear-energy-brightsource-solar-project

[guest587]

I still need to read this thread in its entirety- but to answer the question posed in the *title* of the thread...

Yes, I can still believe climate change is a hoax. Not that manmade climate change isn't real. I certainly believe that. Especially since we've had whistleblowers come forward and say we have technology that can manipulate the weather, as well as philanthropist like Bill Gates showing an interest in forcefully altering weather patterns. Bill Gates also has his hand in GMO mosquitos or- Frankensquitos.

It's not that these things do not exist, it's that placing blind trust in a corporate authority is not the solution. The WEF and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Black Rock, these are companies to be extremely weary of- and yet, they know they can advance their personal agenda if they pull the heart strings of the people pointing the finger to Climate Change. This is the hoax. And they will rinse and repeat the same psychological warfare they did during the mRna gene therapy experiment(which was also a consolidation of power).

See, your thread has excitable qualities in its title alone and the engineers of crisis(death cultist) understand this all too well. They will say those who do not support the shift in power are conspiracy theorist who deny climate change exist. They will put the limelight on a minority and say this is the majority we fight against. They will say our planet is full of hate and they are the authority alone that should be the ones to provide the solutions.

The solutions they offer do not heal the planet but promote further enslavement to a totalitarian system. Mining for lithium batteries is extremely harmful to the planet, and as it turns out, mostly benefits the communist regime- not the Earth or its people. Digital identification is also a part of this "transition of power", which is absolutely dangerous in the hands of marxist, eugenicist fascists who do not believe in the power of God or Nature. Does having a digital ID system come with benefits? Absolutely, and these benefits will be promoted as the cure to the worlds problems- blindsiding people to the depth of control it gives these unelected thugs.

The hoax is like believing Pfizer's mrna injection to be safe and effective, where this level of tyranny during Covid benefited Pfizer and companies like Pfizer in the trillions all while free of liability to the damage they were inflicting upon the general population.

For the use of narratives in psychological warfare please see this article:
https://sociable.co/technology/the-great-reset-the-great-narrative-programming-people-comply-unelected-globalist/
Which hopefully has become more self evident since the time it was written, March 1st 2022

The other concerning thing is these authoritarians will try to punish the consumers raised in a free market system instead of imposing these additional cost and restrictions on the producers of products that are actually harmful to our bodies and Mother Earth.

RFK JR also talks extensively about the clime change hoax, here are the totalitarian controls he elaborates on:
https://rumble.com/v2kycps-rfk-jr-wef-gates-use-climate-change-as-an-excuse-for-totalitarian-controls-.html

One reason I am a supporter of Dr. Steven Greer is because he has, for years, insisted that we have since reverse engineered alien technology to the point where our entire world could be revolutionized in 10-20 years time- where technologies work in harmony with nature able to provide clean water for all earth inhabitants and end world hunger.

I think his most recent film is going to hit home with a lot of people...
"The Lost Century Film"
https://thelostcenturyfilm.com/
From Dr. Steven Greer:

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[mccoy]

First of all I would listen to a Master over any human think tank.

Ha, yes, at this point the opinion of a single master is worthier than the opinion of a hundred scientists, undisputably!

[Jitendra Hydonus]

First of all I would listen to a Master over any human think tank.

Ha, yes, at this point the opinion of a single master is worthier than the opinion of a hundred scientists, undisputably!

I see that you have qualified your statement mccoy, I can understand why. I appreciate your faith, as I cannot deny my experiences with Masters in attempt to be on the same page as many opportunistic  entrepreneurs.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Climate change is leading to hotter temperatures and rainier seasons — perfect breeding grounds for mosquitoes.

The future may bring more EEE and West Nile infections, said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of infectious diseases at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tennessee.

“With climate change you get abundant mosquitoes,” he said. Moreover, “the increased warmth allows the virus to replicate more quickly in the mosquito which makes it more likely for it to transmit the virus when it bites you.”

The mosquito era: As the world warms, these insects are thriving – and bringing disease.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/world/mosquitoes-spread-climate-dengue-malaria-scn/index.html

[mccoy]

At this point I'm afraid the warming trend is unstoppable, except if some huge volcano erupts, that may reverse the trend for a few years.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

A week later, 202 people are now confirmed dead across six states, making Helene the deadliest hurricane to hit the United States mainland since Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Eight additional deaths were announced Thursday in Georgia, while authorities in western Florida reported one additional death and those in South Carolina reported two.

Those who survived are still in disbelief after the historic storm pummeled their homes and communities. Chimney Rock has been washed away, as have roads and bridges throughout the massive storm’s path.

CNN

At this point I'm afraid the warming trend is unstoppable, except if some huge volcano erupts, that may reverse the trend for a few years.

Well to have someone deny it running our country and influencing the world is ludicrous.

This shows how Trumps slanderous rhetoric is not helpful and his total ignorance on the cause of such phenomena is astounding.

Fact check: Amid bipartisan praise for Biden hurricane response, Trump falsely claims reviews are ‘universally’ negative

[mccoy]

Trump! Trump!

So Dumb! So dumb!

Down the dump! 

However, I still didn't hear any constructive proposals from climate extremists. They are proposing an increase in nuclear power plants, which to me sounds like a case of 'from the frying pan to the fire', except that the nuclear fire/pollution is far more creepy, being invisible and lasting for years or decades.

We need some sources of energy that will not plunge civilization into the middle ages. Solar, wind, they are still insufficient.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Trump! Trump!

So Dumb! So dumb!

Down the dump! 

However, I still didn't hear any constructive proposals from climate extremists. They are proposing an increase in nuclear power plants, which to me sounds like a case of 'from the frying pan to the fire', except that the nuclear fire/pollution is far more creepy, being invisible and lasting for years or decades.

We need some sources of energy that will not plunge civilization into the middle ages. Solar, wind, they are still insufficient.

It sounds like you have answered your own concerns here Lucca (mccoy). Is there going to be any perfect solution in an imperfect world? We’ve gotten this far. We can get further and we will. It just takes some leadership and good people attempting to make themselves and the earth a better place to live in.

[mccoy]

Steve, I don't think I have provided significant answers, but I'm going to do that now.

New nuclear power sites: no way, as much as a site can be apparently safe, it is bound to produce radioactive waste that cannot be destroyed. It will accumulate even more and endanger the planet maybe more than global warming.

Fusion power: we are way back, nobody has been so enlightened to provide a technically viable solution.

Alternative energies: this is I believe the best and cleanest answer, but it is too soon, we don't have the necessary output presently.

Bottom line: we cannot afford presently to abandon fossil fuels and drilling. We need to exploit fossil fuels while trying to optimize solar and aeolic power production.