Binary systems

[mccoy]

This is a very good podcast on binary star systems, the host being a researcher of astronomy of the Illinois university.

The hunt for binary systems has been ongoing of decades. In 2009 there were already many many researchers spending their time observing the universe and ascertaining with the techniques explained if the observed stars are single, or visual binaries, or spectroscopic binaries and so on.

It is nearly impossible that they did not recognize a close-by twin of the sun. Maybe impossible is the right word. They apply sophisticated techniques like doppler spectroscopy, where they detect the stars moving out and in, closer and further, periodically, giving evidence of a revolution motion.

If SIrius were a twin star of the sun, we would have tons of evidence by now.

I strongly suggest you listen to this awesome episode, stellar systems with up to septuple star revolving among themselves have been reported

http://www.astronomycast.com/2009/09/ep-152-binary-stars/

[Jitendra Hydonus]

This is a very good podcast on binary star systems, the host being a researcher of astronomy of the Illinois university.

The hunt for binary systems has been ongoing of decades. In 2009 there were already many many researchers spending their time observing the universe and ascertaining with the techniques explained if the observed stars are single, or visual binaries, or spectroscopic binaries and so on.

It is nearly impossible that they did not recognize a close-by twin of the sun. Maybe impossible is the right word. They apply sophisticated techniques like doppler spectroscopy, where they detect the stars moving out and in, closer and further, periodically, giving evidence of a revolution motion.

If SIrius were a twin star of the sun, we would have tons of evidence by now.

I strongly suggest you listen to this awesome episode, stellar systems with up to septuple star revolving among themselves have been reported

http://www.astronomycast.com/2009/09/ep-152-binary-stars/

I’d much rather take up investigation and research at Yogananda’s writings and the laboratory he recommends in our own meditation practices. The evidence there is overwhelming. I have found on this subject scientists are mostly payed to maintain their own paradigmatic prejudices. Never met any who could get beyond their own one dimensional linear prejudices. My insights are not appreciated and I’ve been told to go else where at their academic edifices where such spiritual experiences and insights are simply brushed off as ‘superstitious behavior’. We already know that we have nearby stars in comparative space distances. What we are not entertaining from a ‘scientific’ point of view, is the possibility of their being our binary.  Because  it has already been established that the explanation for procession is the earths wobble. As a result the notion that precession as occurring as a result of other factors is simply denied. This is a typical response in religious and scientific communities where it is important to maintain the status quo to keep certain ideas holding up the framework of ideological prejudices.

[mccoy]

Steve, some academics sure tend to be arrogant like you describe, but the popularity for the researcher who would discover a dual companion of the sun would be vast.  My interpretation is simpler, namely that there is not a classic star that forms a binary system with the sun, although binary systems are pretty common. There might be some other exotic celestial body or an invisible (to the eye and to other detectors) hub of dark matter. The same Walter Cruttenden has changed a little since the last time I viewed his site, he now admits the possibility that there might be no dual of the sun, after having spent many years and so much money searching for it.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

The cosmic sun of our solar system moves through the signs of the celestial zodiac in one year cycles and this whole system moves around a dual star or magnetic center in the cosmos and 24,000 year cycle referred to as a Equinoctial Cycle, consisting of four yugas or ages. ( Kali, Dwapara, Treta, and Satya), in a 12,000 year ascending arc of these four yugas and a corresponding 12,000 year descending arc. Similarly the individual evolution of man is marked by the cycle of his miniature solar cosmos the energizing effect of the sun of the spiritual eye on the Zodiacal astral centers of the spine in 12 year cycles a man is slowly advanced in his spiritual evolution.

Paramahansa Yogananda; God talks with Arjuna The Bhagavad-Gita page 735 hardcover version

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, some academics sure tend to be arrogant like you describe, but the popularity for the researcher who would discover a dual companion of the sun would be vast.  My interpretation is simpler, namely that there is not a classic star that forms a binary system with the sun, although binary systems are pretty common. There might be some other exotic celestial body or an invisible (to the eye and to other detectors) hub of dark matter. The same Walter Cruttenden has changed a little since the last time I viewed his site, he now admits the possibility that there might be no dual of the sun, after having spent many years and so much money searching for it.

Hmmm … I really do not see or hear him admitting this at all in this recent recording. In fact he explains how the old ‘wabble of the earth’ explanation for the procession of the equinoxes is indeed a result of maya and keeping us in the dark ages longer. I suggest you listen to this at about the 12:30 mark It was done only 7 months ago. It is now June 2022;



This interview; October 24,2021

The motion of the Heavens is there for everyone to see. It is our interpretations of how this motion takes place that causes the differences and divisions of opinions. As well as the idea of Darwinian evolution still holding us back from understanding the evolved state of human awareness and spiritual understanding in the higher civilizations. Also in the recognition of what the science of Kriya yoga is now starting to do to our present circumstances. In this video Walter declares that he believes that even in our life time we will probably identify the star we are orbiting.

[mccoy]

in this video Walter declares that he believes that even in our life time we will probably identify the star we are orbiting.

I hope it happens as well, but I won't be disappointed at all if that doesn't happen.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

in this video Walter declares that he believes that even in our life time we will probably identify the star we are orbiting.

I hope it happens as well, but I won't be disappointed at all if that doesn't happen.

The historical evidence of higher civilizations here on this planet has become more and more evident with the writings of Erich Von Däniken, Giorgio Tsoukalos, Zachariah Steichen, Edgar Casey, Elizabeth Haich, Tara Mata, Sri Yukteswar and shows like Ancient Aliens and Cosmos. Its up to us to discriminate between the intellectual arrogance of outdated science and the spiritual and psychic information coming down from us from the higher ages. We can hopelessly get entangled in the mental entrapments of science and it’s endless adherence to old mindsets to keep us in Kali Yuga thought or move on to the higher atomic age explanations that fit our Kriya practices.There will always be people ahead of their times and the snail pace of ‘normal’ thought patterns current adhered to and followed.

Most of us who are member here and many visitors are from higher ages anyhow. We recognize the truths expounded by some of the authors and people I have just mentioned. We do not necessarily need proof of their assertions. We already have gained proof in our own experiences.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink…

[mccoy]

Steve, I understand what you are saying, but if a physical object exists, then it should be detectable by physical means. However, it has not been detected in the radius of a few light years, whereas modern astronomic instruments can detect stars distant billions of light-years.

That's why it seems so implausible to me that the sun dual exists. The sun's old dual seems to exist, but it has escaped the gravitational constraint so much time ago, much before humanity existed.

Please note that a hint of doubt is present even in Cruttenden's site, as I emphasized in the following sentence:

We believe that this approach of analyzing the precession observable (the sun’s motion relative to the fixed stars as seen from earth) will provide valuable and helpful data regarding the sun’s most likely stellar companion (if one exists).

The sentence is in the section 'introduction' of the BRI site:

https://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/introduction/binary-companion-theory/

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, I understand what you are saying, but if a physical object exists, then it should be detectable by physical means. However, it has not been detected in the radius of a few light years, whereas modern astronomic instruments can detect stars distant billions of light-years.

That's why it seems so implausible to me that the sun dual exists. The sun's old dual seems to exist, but it has escaped the gravitational constraint so much time ago, much before humanity existed.

Please note that a hint of doubt is present even in Cruttenden's site, as I emphasized in the following sentence:

We believe that this approach of analyzing the precession observable (the sun’s motion relative to the fixed stars as seen from earth) will provide valuable and helpful data regarding the sun’s most likely stellar companion (if one exists).

The sentence is in the section 'introduction' of the BRI site:

https://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/introduction/binary-companion-theory/

If interested After reading this; I ask you to get back to me in this subject….

https://jagjotsingh.com/are-the-chakras-real/#:~:text=Hence%2C%20there%20is%20no%20evidence%20of%20the%20physical,within%20the%20body%2C%20hitting%20chakras%20at%20various%20locations.

[mccoy]

Steve, I do not find much difference between what I'm saying and what the article you posted is saying.

The chakras concept originated in early Vedic and Buddhist scriptures, where the chakras are a part of another dimension of existence that is oblivious to modern science. It is known as the subtle body.

It cannot be detected directly through scientific processes because it is “non-material”, just like gravity. We can study the effects of gravity on other objects, but we can never know what this force is.

Similarly, we can study the psychosomatic effects of chakras, but we cannot see them physically or know how they come into existence. As of now, there is no scientific proof of the presence of the chakras.

Ths subtle body, or pranic body, is beyond the material dimension, so it cannot be treated by physical science. I can't entirely agree with the gravity concept, a field that can be detected by physical instruments

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, I do not find much difference between what I'm saying and what the article you posted is saying.

The chakras concept originated in early Vedic and Buddhist scriptures, where the chakras are a part of another dimension of existence that is oblivious to modern science. It is known as the subtle body.

It cannot be detected directly through scientific processes because it is “non-material”, just like gravity. We can study the effects of gravity on other objects, but we can never know what this force is.

Similarly, we can study the psychosomatic effects of chakras, but we cannot see them physically or know how they come into existence. As of now, there is no scientific proof of the presence of the chakras.

Ths subtle body, or pranic body, is beyond the material dimension, so it cannot be treated by physical science. I can't entirely agree with the gravity concept, a field that can be detected by physical instruments

With your assessments above. How is it that you/we can assume Sri Yukteswar even was talking about a physical corollary?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

I ask any reasonable person to read this and answer the question that follows;

The planets in our solar system orbit (revolve) around the sun, and the sun orbits (revolves) around the center of the Milky Way galaxy. We take about 225-250 million years to revolve once around the galaxy’s center. This length of time is called a cosmic year.

https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/milky-way-rotation/
 
With all the billions of stars in our galaxy alone doesn’t it appear rather far fetched to imagine our sun as a lone star unaffected by the pull of another Star in its long orbit around the galaxy?

https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/sun-compare/en/

[Jitendra Hydonus]

The Central Sun of our section of the universe.

The cause of procession has not been finally established by modern astronomers. Some claiming it is due to a slow change in direction of the earths axis while others believe they have mathematical proof that the phenomena is caused by the motion of the sun in space along its own orbit, whereby all the bodies of our solar system are being brought nearer to Grand Central Sun, around which are own Sun and every other sun (fix star) in the universe is revolving.

All the ancient nations considered Alcyone, brightest star of the Pleiades to be this Grand Central Sun. To  the Babylonians it was Temennu, The Foundation Stone, “ The Arabs had two names for it - Kimah,  the Immortal Seal or Type and Al Wasat, “The Central One.” it was Amba, “The Mother of the Hindus, and it’s present name of Alcyone was derived from the Greek word signifying Peace. It is so far distant from us at present as to appear to be a star of only the third magnitude. There is a significant passage In the Bible Job ( 38: 4-31 ) about the constellation containing Alcyone, where the Lord asked Job: “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Canst thou bind the sweet influence of Pleiades?”

From Astrological World Cycles  by Tara Mata

I bring this to our attention again because history bears out the facts that science has yet to admit and study.

[mccoy]

Steve, I may rebut all your posts above but I will stop doing that, agreeing to disagree on some aspects, whereas I agree on others. I will focus on the agreements here.

There may be a possibility that the sun rotates around an exotic celestial body, like a super-small black hole with no or negligible emission of radiation, or some weird dark matter cluster. But I would like to know the opinion of some professional astronomers, if such a body, invisible but with detectable gravitational effects, may really pass unobserved in orbital modeling, that is can its gravitational effects, strong enough to tie the sun to a reciprocal orbit, go undetected for so long?

I doubt that the body is astral in nature, at least, there may be an astral counterpart but there must be some physical body to manifest the effects of gravity.