Opolly i think i know you from another forum if my hunch about this is correct i am very glad to see you here as well. As you no doubt know: You are bringing up quite a big subject here. Since you have opened the door though i will precede... i have placed the western version of Hitler's chart above. Thank-You for placing the vedic chart.
i want to bring up some points for clarification that you might have already thought of:
1. Astrology is a language for deciphering soul progress and the souls lessons in this life. That is primarily my definition though i know others would disagree with me.
The point i am making here is that fame has nothing to do with spiritual growth. Lessons are shown in a chart of low and high profile people in this world. Fame or or the lack of it is only relavant in the sense of what the personal soul gains from such experiences. The lack of fame could be much more important for the things that have been done that affects others. For instance: One person meditating alone in the mountains for years might not be known by anyone but yet change the lives of many more people than 'fame' that could happen on this earth. Babaji was such an example. If it had not been for the Yogananda telling of this great avatar there would be no worldly history to show the greatness of this being and his effect on countless centuries and people.
2. Destiny is the consequence of actions put into motion this life and in other lives. This destiny can be very important in changing other peoples lives and more meaningful for those who have a spiritual destiny that changes our personal lives for the better.
3. Your points about outer (worldly) marks on remembered history (on this plain) are of interest. Your camparison of the two chart systems to make this point i find fascinating.
4. We can see events (in western astrology)that show a proclivity to being in the public eye in Hitler's chart as well. i will point them out here:
a. The same opposition is shown in the western cahrt that you saw in the eastern chart with some important differences.
b. Most of Hitler's planets are in the upper hemisphere which brings a very outward role to his life with not as much inner reflection prevalent.
c. In the bottom side of the western chart he has a Jupiter Moon conjunction which gave him an incredible ability to communicate with the public..even more so because it is in the third house.
d. He has Saturn in the 10th which gave him the tremendous responsibility he had taken towards an outward career and focus on the world. i see the most difficult part of this whole chart as being the square between Saturn and Mars/Venus in the public arena. Mercury is thrown in the sixth house western style (seventh eastern)but that makes sense since it was his 'service' that got him in trouble with the world.
e. We also see this ability to communicate in the position of Mercury to the ascendent.
f. What you do not see in the Vedic chart is Uranus in the 12th (insanity) conjunct ascendent and the Neptune Pluto conjunction that brings massive delusion to the public. Especially with the fateful connection to Jupiter and Moon in the the third.
g. You have a opposition between Uranus and Mercury involvong the ascendent which you cannot see in the eastern approach. Also a good indication to be: 'born to raise hell' as you put it.
5. In conclusion i am very interested in any other points you have to make about the vedic system and the subject you brought up about destiny as shown in a chart. i would say you have some good points: The empahsis of Aries in the Vedic system and the sign is not split up as it would be if you used the western approach. i also think it is interesting that you would bring up the larger destiny of a people in reference to the vedic system....since it also seems to affect the yugas in the procession of the equinoxes. Maybe a Sun centered tropical system applies more to personal lives since it is closer to our earth....
These are only some preliminary observations. i also thing this article may be of interest:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/972037/Finding-Fame-in-The-Astrology-Chart-Hitler
