making others ☺ happy

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Have you noticed something that i have. Sometimes we can not make others happy by our presence so even though they make us happy in some way it is better to let them go. It is nice to know there are people we make happy and if not we need to take a hard look at ourselves. As i read in a health store today on a plaque at the register; 'please be patient with me God is working on me.'

[ding dong]

It should instead read, "please be patient with me, because I am perfect already."

[Jitendra Hydonus]

It should instead read, "please be patient with me, because I am perfect already."

i have met some people like you describe. They are always trying to tweek me instead of themselves. It is difficult for them to think that they may be mistaken since they know they are right. But they are not the kind of people u would want to follow or be patient with as they are trying to make you over into an image of themselves. If u are describing something else....there weren't the descriptive words to fathom your meaning.

[ding dong]

Yes, I think I know what you mean Steve. My meaning is that people are perfect as they are. God doesn't need a "second try" on you...nor does he need time to "get it right" with anyone. Everyone is perfect, it's just that some people don't realize it. Hence they are always trying to correct themselves and others based on their foolish ideas.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Yes, I think I know what you mean Steve. My meaning is that people are perfect as they are. God doesn't need a "second try" on you...nor does he need time to "get it right" with anyone. Everyone is perfect, it's just that some people don't realize it. Hence they are always trying to correct themselves and others based on their foolish ideas.

and if u don't realize u r perfect....what then? Sorry i should have known? Yikes im in trouble!

[ding dong]

That's common piece of flair...

[ding dong]

The idea that you are not perfect or need to do something to improve yourself is itself only an idea imposed on your perfect nature. Is it imperfect then? No, it is merely illusory and ephemeral.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

The idea that you are not perfect or need to do something to improve yourself is itself only an idea imposed on your perfect nature. Is it imperfect then? No, it is merely illusory and ephemeral.

Sounds very convoluted which makes me wonder if the mind is grinding away. 😯 i have tried to understand....though the purpose of this thread is happiness and making others ☺ happy. I think the man with the plaque (first post) was saying he was trying to do this-make people happy by his cheerful service-however not always being sucessful at it he was asking for some patience since he was working at it with Gods help.

Some people have that capacity others do not and there are all kinds in between.  It really makes most people happy if they make others happy by their presence but there are those who do not seem to care.

[Mad as a hatter]

The idea that you are not perfect or need to do something to improve yourself is itself only an idea imposed on your perfect nature. Is it imperfect then? No, it is merely illusory and ephemeral.

It should instead read, "please be patient with me, because I am perfect already."

Not much ego there! I'm afraid most people would question that statement with that thought.

When I use words they mean just what I choose them to mean — neither more nor less.

The question is, whether you can make words mean so many different things

[Jitendra Hydonus]

It would be nice to make others ☺ happy but it would be even better to make God happy in our behaviour and actions.

[Mad as a hatter]

The idea that you are not perfect or need to do something to improve yourself is itself only an idea imposed on your perfect nature. Is it imperfect then? No, it is merely illusory and ephemeral.

Contrariwise, again i say, if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's the logic to take. Make no mistake.   for...That's whats at stake.


                        Pass the Mad Hat

[ding dong]

Insight is often accompanied by paradox, i'm afraid.

"He who says he is God isn't. And he who says he isn't, isn't." - Yogananda

[guest88]

It should instead read, "please be patient with me, because I am perfect already."

i have met some people like you describe. They are always trying to tweek me instead of themselves. It is difficult for them to think that they may be mistaken since they know they are right. But they are not the kind of people u would want to follow or be patient with as they are trying to make you over into an image of themselves. If u are describing something else....there weren't the descriptive words to fathom your meaning.

i have a friend who is truly a kind hearted individual. there are some caustic tendencies to his personality that some confuse for passion, even himself.
i'm on a different path now but my friend still wants more of my attention and time then what i may wish to give. he saved my life growing up and we have a brotherhood between us, so we still hang out every now and again. the other night we tried to getting together- everything was fine until the very end of the night we started bashing heads for having different views on a particular subject. i was getting angry because i felt like i couldn't get my point across without him trying to cut me off. his reasoning for cutting me off is because he proclaims he already knows what i'm about to say and doesn't find it a valid reason so he talks over me. he believes he is born smarter then most people and that the reason there are such ignorant, stupid and flawed people in this world is partly due to genetics. he believes people are hardwired to be less then him and he enjoys "intelligently" proving to the person how they are wrong- if he can defeat a person with his words and logic then in his mind, he is the victorious alpha.
this is how he made a very high level income occupation and his career honed and strengthened his observational skills and silver tongue which he will remind you he has over the average person. still, i love him.

so in this heated debate we have he tells me the only reason he invest so much energy opening his mouth is because he loves me like a brother and that i need to see things his way. despite being a couple months older then me he believes it's a a valid reason that he has more experience then me and so i should give him more credit then what i do. for  13 years i've known him and after 13 years i am rather tired of thinking like him. aside from all this we have almost an identical sense of humor and we both have very strong observational skills. we became friends for these two things. i relate our relationship to close family. he does try to tweek himself but at the same token, his pride and intellect cause him to tweek others- contradictory to my first paragraph he claims he only wishes to tweek those he loves. i'm amazed when, in our arguments he will brings up something that happened over 10 years ago, something so small i had not remembered it(like fighting over a video game as children) but says this is a part of my problem. he says the best way to describe my personality is like a giant baby who refuses to use a spoon until someone explains to the baby the spoon is a good thing, once i see for myself, then i love the spoon and cant let go of the spoon. he mixes a lot of truth in hopes that i succumb to his reasoning- which he may not realize is a very biased filter.

sorry for dragging this out... i am just so amazed after all this time... i know now why i don't always wish to hang out with my brother and i know too well what you're describing in your post above.

lastly, i was going to save this for another thread but the argument we had was over politics. not just the upcoming candidates but issues we face in todays world and how we view certain "laws" that are already in effect.

i know i can't speak for my friend and i because our problems are more then arguing over politics but the reason i wanted to create a separate thread is because i see it happen- two people squabbling over candidates that could care less about them, who are going to do what they want to whatever the outcome. in a way i feel this is a way to keep people from coming together should we ever need to stand up against an unjust system. i don't know enough to say for sure but it is sad- i've seen families get heated over these old and rich candidates, a father and a son push and shove one another because of it.

sad sad stuff.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

It should instead read, "please be patient with me, because I am perfect already."

i have met some people like you describe. They are always trying to tweek me instead of themselves. It is difficult for them to think that they may be mistaken since they know they are right. But they are not the kind of people u would want to follow or be patient with as they are trying to make you over into an image of themselves. If u are describing something else....there weren't the descriptive words to fathom your meaning.

i have a friend who is truly a kind hearted individual. there are some caustic tendencies to his personality that some confuse for passion, even himself.
i'm on a different path now but my friend still wants more of my attention and time then what i may wish to give. he saved my life growing up and we have a brotherhood between us, so we still hang out every now and again. the other night we tried to getting together- everything was fine until the very end of the night we started bashing heads for having different views on a particular subject. i was getting angry because i felt like i couldn't get my point across without him trying to cut me off. his reasoning for cutting me off is because he proclaims he already knows what i'm about to say and doesn't find it a valid reason so he talks over me. he believes he is born smarter then most people and that the reason there are such ignorant, stupid and flawed people in this world is partly due to genetics. he believes people are hardwired to be less then him and he enjoys "intelligently" proving to the person how they are wrong- if he can defeat a person with his words and logic then in his mind, he is the victorious alpha.
this is how he made a very high level income occupation and his career honed and strengthened his observational skills and silver tongue which he will remind you he has over the average person. still, i love him.

so in this heated debate we have he tells me the only reason he invest so much energy opening his mouth is because he loves me like a brother and that i need to see things his way. despite being a couple months older then me he believes it's a a valid reason that he has more experience then me and so i should give him more credit then what i do. for  13 years i've known him and after 13 years i am rather tired of thinking like him. aside from all this we have almost an identical sense of humor and we both have very strong observational skills. we became friends for these two things. i relate our relationship to close family. he does try to tweek himself but at the same token, his pride and intellect cause him to tweek others- contradictory to my first paragraph he claims he only wishes to tweek those he loves. i'm amazed when, in our arguments he will brings up something that happened over 10 years ago, something so small i had not remembered it(like fighting over a video game as children) but says this is a part of my problem. he says the best way to describe my personality is like a giant baby who refuses to use a spoon until someone explains to the baby the spoon is a good thing, once i see for myself, then i love the spoon and cant let go of the spoon. he mixes a lot of truth in hopes that i succumb to his reasoning- which he may not realize is a very biased filter.

sorry for dragging this out... i am just so amazed after all this time... i know now why i don't always wish to hang out with my brother and i know too well what you're describing in your post above.

lastly, i was going to save this for another thread but the argument we had was over politics. not just the upcoming candidates but issues we face in todays world and how we view certain "laws" that are already in effect.

i know i can't speak for my friend and i because our problems are more then arguing over politics but the reason i wanted to create a separate thread is because i see it happen- two people squabbling over candidates that could care less about them, who are going to do what they want to whatever the outcome. in a way i feel this is a way to keep people from coming together should we ever need to stand up against an unjust system. i don't know enough to say for sure but it is sad- i've seen families get heated over these old and rich candidates, a father and a son push and shove one another because of it.

sad sad stuff.

Thanks for sharing Eric. What a friend. I believe I would say to him 'since you already know why should we talk about it.' I would say politics can get in the way of relationships but only if there is no tolerance for the views of others.

What I am finding is if I just can bring a little happiness into someone else's life it is worth it. It is not so much tweeking others....but bringing happiness that makes them interested in you and love you. So I see models in this life who make others tremendously happy. Those people have tweaked me the most. Who does not want to be happy? Who does not want to make others happy?Because it really increases your own happiness.

Many people limit there happiness to one person and their family or pets....  or one way of communication...or one forum. There is nothing you can do but let them go. Yet we can increase our happiness every day . We can expect that people will be good to us. We can expect that things can be good for us. We can expect to find love. We can expect that our meditations will get better. There really is something that can help us be all we want to be. The world ... our world can be happy and we can radiate happiness! If we do not see that it is so. We can change ourselves and our attitudes and make happiness part of our lives.