Me and Steve were talking about meditation

[Jitendra Hydonus]

That poem seems pretty anti-american. By the way, I do remember something of the Tonya Harding controversy. One of many ongoing, with no end in sight. Whether it's a guru having sex or a politician with a private email server...There is no grand battle between good and evil. I think that must be one of the last delusions to go. It was hard for me to fully grok. We dream up the heros and the villians. There is only insight and intelligence; ignorance and imbalance; no good and evil as people have come to believe over the past 1000 years or so. Seems pretty clear to me.   

It is quite clear that ISSIS and Hitler did some evil things. But people have different opinions of what a guru or teachers means to them.. i say let them have there opinions and do not judge so much. People often react because they do not want to be sucked in to meaningless views that have proven to fill up their time with dead ends. i think that is part of it. Personally this has not happened to me though. The Gurus i have followed have helped me immensely and people like Kriyananda and Osho i have found have some helpful thoughts. i just never got so involved with such people to have strong views about them. i see a bit of myself here though. i am unwilling to spend time listening to Christians talk about their views of Jesus. I is a total waste of time. Just like i am unwilling to listen to people like ISSIS give their views about religion. Seeing what they have done to others is enough to see for a lifetime.

[ding dong]

All the planes and all the apparent problems are creations of the human mind. Existence has no problems, and no next.

[ding dong]

SI

[Jitendra Hydonus]

All the planes and all the apparent problems are creations of the human mind. Existence has no problems, and no next.

To be consistent then...This view too is creation of the human mind. Some people create tremendous problems for others because of their ignorance. Until the mind is free of all illusions it is best to stay away from them and we r fortunate to have them leave our lives.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

i think most of us realize over the years that as close as we r to what we r we still have so far to go. So much to learn... so much is out there and so much is inside... it is humbling just to contemplate. There is no boredom in this. Just fascination, gratitude for what we have discovered and appreciation.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

All the planes and all the apparent problems are creations of the human mind. Existence has no problems, and no next.

To be consistent then...This view too is creation of the human mind. Some people create tremendous problems for others because of their ignorance. Until the mind is free of all illusions it is best to stay away from them and we r fortunate to have them leave our lives.

Yet i should add if we are in tune with their real vibe we cannot help but still love them. It is somewhat of a gift to see the depths of a persons soul and the uniqueness that the creator has put in such a being. We must constantly aim at seeing the best in others because it really is there. We have to work so much on ourselves to see the obvious.

[guest88]

Thank you ding dong for posting that poem. It's beautiful.

Steve you're right, we've much to learn that words or guru's can't teach. A wise person can attempt to share their wisdom in the form of writing but you may never fully embrace the depth of what he/she is trying to share then one day you'll go back or stumble across the same writing and find even more then the first time. More appreciation, more gratitude and inspiration.

I think this film has been shared here before, Kumare, but find it fitting to drop in...

http://kumaremovie.com/
Kumaré is a feature documentary film about the time filmmaker Vikram Gandhi impersonated a fake guru and built a following of real people. Winner of the Audience Award for Best Documentary at SXSW 2011, Kumaré opened in theaters June 20, 2012, and is now available on demand via iTunes, Amazon Instant video and most cable providers.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Thank you ding dong for posting that poem. It's beautiful.

Steve you're right, we've much to learn that words or guru's can't teach. A wise person can attempt to share their wisdom in the form of writing but you may never fully embrace the depth of what he/she is trying to share then one day you'll go back or stumble across the same writing and find even more then the first time. More appreciation, more gratitude and inspiration.

I think this film has been shared here before, Kumare, but find it fitting to drop in...

http://kumaremovie.com/
Kumaré is a feature documentary film about the time filmmaker Vikram Gandhi impersonated a fake guru and built a following of real people. Winner of the Audience Award for Best Documentary at SXSW 2011, Kumaré opened in theaters June 20, 2012, and is now available on demand via iTunes, Amazon Instant video and most cable providers.

Not sue what u r responding to here Eric. There are many things in life that r not clear to me. Often they take years to clear up. It is very clear to me that the gurus i have followed were true gurus that have helped me immensely on the spiritual path. It is not every ones decision to seek out gurus or to ask for their help. People all have their individual paths as u know. However for me personally i do not feel deceived by the gurus i have followed and have noticed some very tangible miracles and phenomena that has played out because of following Paramahansa Yogananda and Amma. i would have no reservations in recommending their guidance and direction. Because of my karma i have been deceived by people in my life but never by the gurus i have followed. i think it is important to look at our own personal karma to see why some have felt or perhaps been deceived by gurus. People always look for a scapegoat for their own karma. But it is important to recognize that all conditions in this life r created by us at some time and some place in the past.

Gurus have taught me much and i have learned much from them in this life so when u say "Steve you're right, we've much to learn that words or guru's can't teach." i am not sure what u r referring to that i have said. Perhaps u can quote me so that i can know. Thanks Eric. Paramahansa Yogananda has said that if we r disloyal to a true guru we r apt to have a hard time finding their guidance right a way in coming lives. So u see from that view it is much easier to understand why people fall in to such pitfalls. It is best to pick ourselves up and not fall prey to the same behavior people have sometimes dosed on us if it is on the debt side of the balance ledger. Their r still many wonderful people and gurus around. U can't judge the whole world by a few people who have shoddy behavior that u have encountered. It is better to look at ourselves an recognize that w ourselves have created such encounters to help us learn to never treat people this way even though we may have done it recently or sometime in the distant forgotten past.
 

[guest88]

hi steve! i was reading this thread from beginning to end so when i read

i think most of us realize over the years that as close as we r to what we r we still have so far to go. So much to learn...

it had me thinking of the old expression..... you can tell a child not to touch the stove because it will burn him/her but that doesn't mean the child will listen. we thrive on experience and after reading the debate between gurus and reading the poem shared by ding dong i kind of went off on my own tangent  hope all is well my friend! =)

[Jitendra Hydonus]

hi steve! i was reading this thread from beginning to end so when i read

i think most of us realize over the years that as close as we r to what we r we still have so far to go. So much to learn...

it had me thinking of the old expression..... you can tell a child not to touch the stove because it will burn him/her but that doesn't mean the child will listen. we thrive on experience and after reading the debate between gurus and reading the poem shared by ding dong i kind of went off on my own tangent  hope all is well my friend! =)

This material experience is like that. We test our desires and r drawn to what intrigues us even though it is quite often not what gives us what we r really seeking. Eventually our needs  and desires change and we r changed people seeking something very different then we originally planned. Further along the line we find that what we have been seeking we already have. We just sought it in the wrong places. The Masters say that when the fruit falls all seeking and growing is done. We always have had what we have been looking for.

[guest88]

 

[Beatrice Landcaster]

Whatcha been sayin Hydrosphere? Pull yo airy head out of the clouds just for a moment.  Have ya al ever met the real McCoy... McCoy? SI can you SI a tune that's more then a one liner? I wanna to hear the whole melody.   And Master Ding Dong where were ya' al when the Ding became a Dong?  Aya who??  Ya al been a smilin too much. I think yo on to somethin that you a gotta be sharin here. ya hear me? Ya can't be a hidin it forever with all that high and mighty and fancy talk. Get... yo... shiny ass.... over here. Just com out of the shadows and reveal yo true light. I know that you have it. Don't be a stingy now. The fire is a burnin hot just put yo cold butt a hoverin' over it. Ya al don't need to burn your ass to warm up by the flames!

                                                                 Yo friend Beady
 

[SI]

All the planes and all the apparent problems are creations of the human mind. Existence has no problems, and no next.

I have met no one that thinks exactly like me.

It's obvious that most all God seekers or truth seekers or whatever-you-want-to-call-it, seem to agree on the very top level thought that there is an energy, or creator, or force, or self, or non-self, or an absolute personality, or whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

It's the details after that where everyone seems to disagree.

Why can't people in this world agree on the top level thought and leave it at that? Nobody will ever think alike when it comes to the little details.

[SI]

SI

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[SI]

Whatcha been sayin Hydrosphere? Pull yo airy head out of the clouds just for a moment.  Have ya al ever met the real McCoy... McCoy? SI can you SI a tune that's more then a one liner? I wanna to hear the whole melody.   And Master Ding Dong where were ya' al when the Ding became a Dong?  Aya who??  Ya al been a smilin too much. I think yo on to somethin that you a gotta be sharin here. ya hear me? Ya can't be a hidin it forever with all that high and mighty and fancy talk. Get... yo... shiny ass.... over here. Just com out of the shadows and reveal yo true light. I know that you have it. Don't be a stingy now. The fire is a burnin hot just put yo cold butt a hoverin' over it. Ya al don't need to burn your ass to warm up by the flames!

                                                                 Yo friend Beady
 

Shiny ass? BTW I've got your melody right here.