Do we have converstaions with God?

[Jitendra Hydonus]

i have things that happen intuitively like i may feel as though God is talking to me through my thoughts, friends, intuition etc. Although many times they r true... at other times it is the chattering of my own mind. Many of us talk to God but we often misinterpret that he is talking back when in reality it is our own ego, thoughts and imagination. Yet he does reason and act thru us and our conscience.

This topic has come up many times in my life since many people I have met feel that God talks to them. Yet if God actually talks to them audibly; i would say they r nothing less then saints. Yet if they sometimes have saintly experiences and at other times do not then what would we say? i think that it is important to recognize that God is very humble and rarely talks to humans verbally. We have many spiritual experiences in our spiritual journey but when God audibly talks to us we r near the end of our journey and have actually become one with God at some level.

It is possible and probable that we too will someday be saints and even more. In the process of becoming more spiritual isn't it important for us to understand what we r experiencing? To separate fact from fantasy, inspiration from skepticism, to what degree we r actually communicating with God and to what degree we r communicating with our own desires and ego. The lines r not always so clear and can easily be blurred. Still it is important to remind ourselves that to b humble in our assertions about what we have experienced and do experience. Also accept that others may have experiences that we do not understand nor can we at this point in time.

                                                        Jitendra

[guest88]

hi jitendra
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thank YOU for your contribution   
in possibilities within possibilities communication exceeds but does not deny spoken word as divine experience
todays message from bowl of saki says, "every moment has its special message."
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It is possible and probable that we too will someday be saints and even more. In the process of becoming more spiritual isn't it important for us to understand what we r experiencing? To separate fact from fantasy, inspiration from skepticism, to what degree we r actually communicating with God and to what degree we r communicating with our own desires and ego. The lines r not always so clear and can easily be blurred. Still it is important to remind ourselves that to b humble in our assertions about what we have experienced and do experience. Also accept that others may have experiences that we do not understand nor can we at this point in time.

its true and often i later realize my ways are selfish or childish
but i find nothing wrong with communicating between heaven and earth- between God, desire and ego- imagination. to me this is all a part of the life process. i think as long as we are Being- we are having direct and special conversations with God.
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on saintliness. there are people that devote their life to a greater understanding and the progress they make or service provided is worthy of praise and gratitude
but what makes a saint anyways?
pursue your heart and dance with creation- do that and i'll call you a saint. i think your heart plays a big role in service with/towards all existence(my moms a saint. i don't care if you or anyone else thinks otherwise.)
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god speaks to us through feelings too, even when our minds can not cognize the situation.
well
interesting thread thank you

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Hi Eric my point of conversation is to create conversation and hopefully understanding. So in this sense we r  successful. i do not think that we r going to agree about everything and i do not agree with you on everything u have said. Yet i can still appreciate u and your contribution. i would agree with most of your description of what makes a saint. But to what degree is another matter. It would b difficult to talk about emotionally charged relationships clearly.

i still think that there is a very valid confidence that comes with hearing words that cannot b confused with our own perceptions and hunches. 'in possibilities within possibilities communication exceeds but does not deny spoken word as divine experience' This statement is very true to me but may not b understandable when describing these experiences to others. i worked in a mental institution for years. When some of the clients spoke of their conversations with God i had to look at their actions to see how they correlated with the language. There is a lot of incongruity there. If i was to listen to the experiences that they had of communication that exceeded spoken word it would have even been more difficult to differentiate as truth.  We r probably aware of the fact that we r surrounded by all kinds of mental conditions in others and sometimes the sanity of those that were apart of the sanatorium made more sense to me then the people assumed to b normal.

It is very difficult to accept as truth many peoples inner experiences with God. We could easily see that Adolf Hitlers conversations with the divine were delusions of grandeur. "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

 Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf,

Read more: http://www.bukisa.com/articles/407047_adolf-hitlers-religious-views#ixzz1KhsXxMjx


Sincerely,

Jitendra

hi jitendra
---
thank YOU for your contribution   
in possibilities within possibilities communication exceeds but does not deny spoken word as divine experience
todays message from bowl of saki says, "every moment has its special message."
---

its true and often i later realize my ways are selfish or childish
but i find nothing wrong with communicating between heaven and earth- between God, desire and ego- imagination. to me this is all a part of the life process. i think as long as we are Being- we are having direct and special conversations with God.
---
on saintliness. there are people that devote their life to a greater understanding and the progress they make or service provided is worthy of praise and gratitude
but what makes a saint anyways?
pursue your heart and dance with creation- do that and i'll call you a saint. i think your heart plays a big role in service with/towards all existence(my moms a saint. i don't care if you or anyone else thinks otherwise.)
---
god speaks to us through feelings too, even when our minds can not cognize the situation.
well
interesting thread thank you

[yoshi]

gooood morning s-s family <3<3<3

God....my most favoritie topic 

i believe that many masters have written....that God does not speak in 'audible voice'...such as humans speak to one another.....not including (((OM))) or (((AUM))).

it is more of.....intuitively knowing and then put into 'words in our minds'....like a translation of sorts.  sometimes....for some,,,,they come as pictures....his 'voice' comes in form of visuals.

i suppose it differs from individual to individual 

now...hitler...u say he spoke out of grandeur...yes.  one whom truly speaks to God.....does not speak out of grandeur.  u may find that one who speaks to God....to be quite the opposite. 

God speaks to all souls....not just a few choice Souls. 

what keeps soul from hearing God ?  maya....material world...illusion.  denial that one can do it.  the lack of will to do so.  lack of confidence in self.

be the 'engine that could'....except, instead say to yourself....' i know i can, i know i can'.

maybe first...start by speaking to Parmahansa Yogananda.....Christ....Swami Rama Tirtha...Babaji...Ananda Moyi Ma.....Mother Theresa or Gandhi....etc

Parmahansa Yogananda has written a book called 'How You Can Talk with God'....that's a good read 

God also speaks to us through our surroundings.....nature, animals, people....the circumstances in daily life that we find ourselves in....

(((OM))) (((AUM)))....is audible frequency of God....

another 'thing' i would like to mention , that helps us greatly....is Realizing that we are Souls  and that our Soul is a direct 'spark' or piece of God.....literally.  just as our body is a direct 'piece' of our biological/physical parents.  do not our physical parents speak to us ?  yes, they do.  God speak to us Souls too.....

<3<3<3 Love & (((Hugs)))
(((((((((((((OM)))))))))))))))

yoshi



 

[Jitendra Hydonus]

gooood morning s-s family <3<3<3

God....my most favoritie topic 

i believe that many masters have written....that God does not speak in 'audible voice'...such as humans speak to one another.....not including (((OM))) or (((AUM))).

it is more of.....intuitively knowing and then put into 'words in our minds'....like a translation of sorts.  sometimes....for some,,,,they come as pictures....his 'voice' comes in form of visuals.

i suppose it differs from individual to individual 

now...hitler...u say he spoke out of grandeur...yes.  one whom truly speaks to God.....does not speak out of grandeur.  u may find that one who speaks to God....to be quite the opposite. 

God speaks to all souls....not just a few choice Souls. 

what keeps soul from hearing God ?  maya....material world...illusion.  denial that one can do it.  the lack of will to do so.  lack of confidence in self.

be the 'engine that could'....except, instead say to yourself....' i know i can, i know i can'.

maybe first...start by speaking to Parmahansa Yogananda.....Christ....Swami Rama Tirtha...Babaji...Ananda Moyi Ma.....Mother Theresa or Gandhi....etc

Parmahansa Yogananda has written a book called 'How You Can Talk with God'....that's a good read 

God also speaks to us through our surroundings.....nature, animals, people....the circumstances in daily life that we find ourselves in....

(((OM))) (((AUM)))....is audible frequency of God....

another 'thing' i would like to mention , that helps us greatly....is Realizing that we are Souls  and that our Soul is a direct 'spark' or piece of God.....literally.  just as our body is a direct 'piece' of our biological/physical parents.  do not our physical parents speak to us ?  yes, they do.  God speak to us Souls too.....

<3<3<3 Love & (((Hugs)))
(((((((((((((OM)))))))))))))))

yoshi
 

In actuality God does talk to us in a human voice all we have to do is read the Autobiography of a Yogi to see this is the case many many times. Yet for someone that does not know the life of Paramahansa Yogananda and what he has done in peoples lives, this may also b difficult to accept.

Hallucinations involve sensing things that aren't there while a person is awake and conscious. i think when we listen to others talk of such experiences we have to keep in mind that there is the possibility of this occurring. That possibility also exists within ourselves. If we are not yet enlightened we still have many illusions to contend with. One way that i have personally found some answers is in the experiences themselves. It seems to me the the presence of God is accompanied by a feeling of peace, bliss, love and joy. Any one of these or a combinations can give us more of an assurance that what we have experienced is true. We can also gauge the testimony of others by how they live and how they affect us personally. Although if a person stimulates our illusions it is often difficult to asses the truth or the significance of their assertions. Perhaps it is wise to keep this in mind in all relationships.

Even saints have to endure the test of time for others to recognize there spiritual stature. Some of us r more receptive and recognize that there r people who have saintly attributes and what they have to offer us.... As well as the service we can give to them.

Jitendra

[yoshi]

((( Jitendra )))

quote:Jitendra
In actuality God does talk to us in a human voice

yes...u are correct.   and God speaks all languages.  i suppose, what i was 'getting at'....was that he speaks to us intuitively and our minds translate it into human language.

does that make sense ?

now...this is something that i believe....that God's word is given to us, or is broadcasted via vibrations.....((((((OM))))))....it is our minds that translate it into physical language.  ((((OM)))) is a universal language.....translated through our minds, english minds, hindi, portuguese....etc 

lately...i have been singing to God, via mind.....a chorus from a song of Rod Stewart's that i had forgotten about until a few nights ago, i heard it on the radio....it is the chorus from "You're in my heart"....

"""  You're in my heart, you're in my soul
You'll be my breath should I grow old
You are my lover, you're my best friend
You're in my soul

My love for you is immeasurable
My respect for you immense
You're ageless, timeless, lace and fineness
You're beauty and elegance

You're a rhapsody, a comedy
You're a symphony and a play
You're every love song ever written

You're in my heart, you're in my soul
You'll be my breath should I grow old
You are my lover, you're my best friend
You're in my soul"""



sorry if i went off topic

God loves it when we sing to him/her  <3<3<3

Love & (((Hugs)))
yoshi

[yoshi]

(((((OM))))) or (((((AUM))))) the great 'cosmic vibration'........

tat = creation

God created everything....everything is made of (((((AUM))))

everything is made of vibration...or is on vibrational level.

the closer to God that tat is.....the faster or higher the vibration.

the farther from God that tat is....the slower the vibration.  or is more 'dense' in form.

example....the core of the earth is molten,,,,soft.  the farther from the core of earth, the harder or denser it is.

our chakras, if we look at them like an antenna....the base chakra is at bottom of the antenna the kutastha and crown at top of antenna....as we go up the chakras we are more apt to pick up (((((AUM))))) .

what keeps us from hearing (((AUM))), or keeps us at lower chakras so we do not pick up the transmissions of (((AUM))) ?  drama....maya...illusion.  the less of those things....the higher up we will be in antenna.

this is how,,,,,we live in ((((OM))) - (((AUM)))

keep 'viewing life thru kutastha' (where we are away from drama-maya-illusion)......kutastha is where we can hear God....we can speak to God thru any chakra.....but in order to hear God clearly we need to keep at kutastha.

we are soul...we are sat chit ananda..........

sat = eternity                 chit = consciousness                ananda = free

<3<3<3

(((Hugs)))
yoshi

[Katze]

Interesting topic of conversation Jitendra. Answers vary depending on who you are talking to. Some people believe they can talk and hear God respond directly to them, others may just be imagining this in their mind when they are deep in meditation and getting messages from their Higher Selves. There is a fine line between these two and who is really to say, what is or isn't happening ?

So much that happens in the psychic and spiritual worlds is personal experience, what happens to one person is usually different from what happens to the next one - experiences may be shared, if the person so chooses - but they shouldn't be compared. The reason for not comparing your experiences with another, is so that one person doesn't feel left out, or that they are not doing something right, if the other person is experiencing, or claims to experience, more of a personal contact with God, Spirit or whoever. This can leave the one person feeling sad, depressed and wondering " what am I doing wrong ? "

Do we even really know ourselves WHO is speaking to us ? And how do we know ? Say for example, I am in deep meditation and I "hear " voices (now don't go laughing, lol !  - I am not saying that I do ) but if I did, how do I know exactly WHO is speaking to me ? Does the voice come out and say" Hey, it's God !  Gotta message for you ! " or do you recognize the person by their accent ? ohhh it's from India... must be PY, especially if he mentions " don't forget to do my energization exercises ! " 

and sorry Yoshi, but this translation from ((( OM ))) and (((AUM))) idea into " human language " I find very hard to accept/ believe. Just my opinion, if it works for you then great !

of course, then there are people who write books, can't remember the author but there are a few books called " Conversations with God ". I have read them, and I must admit, after reading them, one does believe it is possible .

Into Blue

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Interesting topic of conversation Jitendra. Answers vary depending on who you are talking to. Some people believe they can talk and hear God respond directly to them, others may just be imagining this in their mind when they are deep in meditation and getting messages from their Higher Selves. There is a fine line between these two and who is really to say, what is or isn't happening ?

So much that happens in the psychic and spiritual worlds is personal experience, what happens to one person is usually different from what happens to the next one - experiences may be shared, if the person so chooses - but they shouldn't be compared. The reason for not comparing your experiences with another, is so that one person doesn't feel left out, or that they are not doing something right, if the other person is experiencing, or claims to experience, more of a personal contact with God, Spirit or whoever. This can leave the one person feeling sad, depressed and wondering " what am I doing wrong ? "

Do we even really know ourselves WHO is speaking to us ? And how do we know ? Say for example, I am in deep meditation and I "hear " voices (now don't go laughing, lol !  - I am not saying that I do ) but if I did, how do I know exactly WHO is speaking to me ? Does the voice come out and say" Hey, it's God !  Gotta message for you ! " or do you recognize the person by their accent ? ohhh it's from India... must be PY, especially if he mentions " don't forget to do my energization exercises ! " 

and sorry Yoshi, but this translation from ((( OM ))) and (((AUM))) idea into " human language " I find very hard to accept/ believe. Just my opinion, if it works for you then great !

of course, then there are people who write books, can't remember the author but there are a few books called " Conversations with God ". I have read them, and I must admit, after reading them, one does believe it is possible .

Into Blue

Thanks for your contribution Into Blue. It is so wonderful to hear from u again. i think the tenor of your post reflects many of my views. i mean aside from actions and how others affect our lives how do we know what others r experiencing? i am more impressed by how those who have experiences r able to somehow emanate their lives to effect others.

i do believe there is a sound that is om. It is somewhat similar to listening inside a big seashell. The reason i say this is that is what i have experienced. The sound is quiet like and eeeee and sometimes loud more like the ocean. Now what else would this sound b if you were practicing the technique and heard it? As far as a voice coming out of the sound who can verify it if we have not experienced it. It means little to me if someone else does unless it affects my life.

Jitendra

[Katze]

You are welcome Jitendra. 

I am not saying there is not a sound such as OM, I do believe there is. It was  Yoshi's comment of (((OM))) and (((AUM))) being translated into "human language" that I am finding a little unbelievable to my line of thinking. Just my thoughts ~ I can't say what she experiences or not. We each have our own experiences unique to each of us individually.
And I thank you for describing the sound of OM to me, as you have experienced it. I think this is the first time that anyone ever really described this sound. Now, if the opportunity presents itself I will have an idea of what I am hearing, if I hear a similar sound.

Into Blue 

[Jitendra Hydonus]

(((((OM))))) or (((((AUM))))) the great 'cosmic vibration'........

tat = creation

God created everything....everything is made of (((((AUM))))

everything is made of vibration...or is on vibrational level.

the closer to God that tat is.....the faster or higher the vibration.

the farther from God that tat is....the slower the vibration.  or is more 'dense' in form.

example....the core of the earth is molten,,,,soft.  the farther from the core of earth, the harder or denser it is.

our chakras, if we look at them like an antenna....the base chakra is at bottom of the antenna the kutastha and crown at top of antenna....as we go up the chakras we are more apt to pick up (((((AUM))))) .

what keeps us from hearing (((AUM))), or keeps us at lower chakras so we do not pick up the transmissions of (((AUM))) ?  drama....maya...illusion.  the less of those things....the higher up we will be in antenna.

this is how,,,,,we live in ((((OM))) - (((AUM)))

keep 'viewing life thru kutastha' (where we are away from drama-maya-illusion)......kutastha is where we can hear God....we can speak to God thru any chakra.....but in order to hear God clearly we need to keep at kutastha.

we are soul...we are sat chit ananda..........

sat = eternity                 chit = consciousness                ananda = free

<3<3<3

(((Hugs)))
yoshi

Anne it is a strange thing to me...The way God talks to me.
A friend has problems with alcohol but his generosity is limitless. Another friend gave me a sleeping bag when i needed one. i melted it in a dryer. Then my friend that has problems with alcohol gave me a drum set for my music shop. Inside the bass drum was another sleeping bag. i told him and he smiled not knowing that i needed one. Then someone called 'u' and Into Blue helped me recently deal with the difficulties of some 'sleepers' who have come into my life. Every day God 'talks' in small ways. i have many little blessings that come my way. All the voices and great experiences well they r far and few. But God must know to keep me humble so i keep thinking very little of this person called Steve Hydonus. It is an absurdity when i think about it that i have anything happen to me. For there is no me for anything to happen to. When i think there is i once again remain ignorant of who i really am.

Jitendra

hi jitendra
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god speaks to us through feelings too, even when our minds can not cognize the situation.
well
interesting thread thank you

[Lucky Denver]

Great thread and it has been lovely to read everyone's input.

I personally feel rather similarly to Anne about "the voice of God".  I do feel like the most Divine thoughts and words that come to some people are not as if someone is standing beside them saying "hey I'm God" but take place in the mind and perhaps in their very own voice.  After all, it is pretty outdated to believe that God is entirely separate from us when in fact She is always with us, and within us, in some way.  It is also easy for me to understand her idea too as I also feel the same way; that the actuality and pure wholeness of ((( OM ))) is too much for the mortal mind to adequately comprehend, but is translated into "human language" via manipulating and manifesting in the mortal thought centres.. this is why these "messages" will often be accompanied by some sort of strong physical sensation such as tingles or "energy" rushing throughout the body.  However, it is not necessary for everyone to understand this idea or agree with it.  As said in this thread, experiences differ from person to person.  It is okay to look up to others, e.g. saints, and to seek advice or guidance.. but it is utterly foolish to feel that someone else's path is the total one right path for you, and to base your spirituality off of somebody else.  It is an individual journey in the end, and we should allow for our experiences and search for truth to be as unique to us as *possible.

Love
Lucky

[Katze]

Great thread and it has been lovely to read everyone's input.

... but it is utterly foolish to feel that someone else's path is the total one right path for you, and to base your spirituality off of somebody else.  It is an individual journey in the end, and we should allow for our experiences and search for truth to be as unique to us as impossible.

Love
Lucky

Very nicely said Lucky. Just wondering though.... your last sentence, did you mean to say impossible or possible ?

Into Blue 

[Lucky Denver]

Great thread and it has been lovely to read everyone's input.

... but it is utterly foolish to feel that someone else's path is the total one right path for you, and to base your spirituality off of somebody else.  It is an individual journey in the end, and we should allow for our experiences and search for truth to be as unique to us as impossible.

Love
Lucky

Very nicely said Lucky. Just wondering though.... your last sentence, did you mean to say impossible or possible ?

Into Blue 

Oops!

Thanks for pointing that out.. I was up pretty late when I was typing that post, which is really the only excuse I have for somehow not noticing that.

I edited my post, as I definitely meant "possible".   

Love
Lucky

[Katze]

hi Lucky,

Thanks for your reply, I just wanted to be sure I understood correctly what you were wanting to say.

(((hugs)))
Into Blue