Anandamoy, on god's spheres of thought. Further considerations

[mccoy]

Very interesting story, I had an interview with Anandamoy back in 1992 during the convocation, but apparently he didn't read my mind. He offered to be helpful if I decided to move to LA and attend the SRF circles. What I remember is that he seemed to feel an attraction to me, for some unknown karmic reasons. That was the first and last time I spoke with him. My karma brought me back to Italy.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Very interesting story, I had an interview with Anandamoy back in 1992 during the convocation, but apparently he didn't read my mind. He offered to be helpful if I decided to move to LA and attend the SRF circles. What I remember is that he seemed to feel an attraction to me, for some unknown karmic reasons. That was the first and last time I spoke with him. My karma brought me back to Italy.

Yes a number of things happened to me when I was in Los Angeles that I am not sure how to explain them rationally. Especially with Brother Bhaktananda. I mentioned my experience with my mother visiting the Lake Shrine.

I also took her to the Redondo Pier later. I believe it may have been the same day since we went to the service that morning. When we were at the pier it was in the summer and there was a huge crowd of people, shopping and going to all the various shops and restaurants there. We used the crowded restrooms and when I got out I could not find her. For sometime I walked around aimlessly wondering how I would find her in the crowd. As usual I would ask for help (of a spiritual nature) and after feeling as though I wouldn’t find her, I suddenly clearly heard her voice ( with its distinctive inflection) in my head saying ‘Steve’ I followed the inner prompting and then found her. To this day I believe that she actually communicated with me telepathically and that is why I found her, there was such a huge crowd there and I did not know if she could find her way back to the car. Los Angeles could be that congested with people.

Brother Bhaktananda was another anomaly that over the years I had noticed about true Masters. And I believe, because of personal experiences, that both Amma and Bhaktananda are Masters. Bhaktananda had this uncanny sense of saying things that seemed to not fit the context of the lecture or conversation you’d be having with him. He was sometimes totally spontaneous and make comments that seemed to address personal matters other people may have had. I had witnessed it many times. However this time I will mention an incident that another Kriyaban friend told me that he had witnessed.

Brother was giving a lecture on a Sunday morning and suddenly he said that if the Chinese were to invade us that the aliens would intercede to help, if we were overwhelmed. I remember it clearly because the devotee also was told that Mother Center asked him to please not make such statements in a sermon. Obviously 🙄 if anyone was a visitor such statements would appear somewhat eccentric. However my friend said that he came back to a service on another occasion and Brother Bhaktananda again stated the same thing. It would have been hard to believe accept for the fact that I personally saw and heard him say things that clearly indicated he knew much more or was guided to say things that didn’t always jive with what seemed appropriate in context with the topic or that had a significance beyond the subject matter.
 
Once I remember him giving a sermon and suddenly blurt out; “And for those going to Master’s crypt at Forest Lawn. Please consider the length of time you spend there, because we do not want to make it difficult for the owners of the Mortuary.” Well I happened to be one of those fellows who loved to sit in front of Masters crypt for hours. I’m telling you, at first I felt guilty, but now I can laugh over it. Even though I believe he meant what he said, I also found he had a tremendous sense of humor in his humility and approach to matters and guiding us on the spiritual path. I’m afraid that just taking me aside and telling me that, would have been quite a scolding. But he also had a gentle loving approach that was the mark of a truly incredible human being.

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[Jitendra Hydonus]

I had an unusual experience this morning mccoy, upon awakening I recalled a dream in which I was reviewing a sphere of thought that was brought into the portal. And I wanted to make an observation about it. But when I came on this morning I recognized that there was no such sphere of thought provided accept this thread that I am now posting on. So I believe that my dream was indeed leading me to this topic. Ofcourse I could also question the legitimacy of the dream I had, which also is a sphere of thought. Or the whole notion of spheres of thought.

Having said that, what is the sphere of thought that Anandamoy is bringing to us and that most of us that have stayed on the portal for any amount of time are accepting as reality? Is it not that our thoughts create our reality and that the reality we find ourselves a part of was created by ourselves from this life and all previous lives? This has brought us to the situations we have found ourselves in and a progressive future out of this material reality by practicing a meditation technique called Kriya that will make it eventually possible to not return here. Isn’t that what we are to believe? Anandamoy has also conditioned us to believe such a pathway of thought that includes a God that is somewhat responsible for us being here and in the predicament we find ourselves in. Yet we can help him and ourselves by making the effort to get out.

Now from an objective standpoint the notions we have had as a human race have notably changed dramatically from accepting slavery, making Gods out of people, atheism, agnosticism, to having for instance Sun Gods or believing we evolved from apes. So it is only natural to wonder if the current paradigm we accept that Anandamoy has given us applies for all time. Furthermore questioning our own spheres of thought or assumptions is also an approach which can be considered a sphere of thought. Being around Anandamoy for many years, it is easy to see that he was completely under the influence of Paramahansa Yogananda and a willing servant of his ideas. It appears as an admirable quality to us.

But obviously the majority of the population do not even accept such loyalty to another ‘human being’. Is this spirit of skepticism a sphere of thought that can entangle people such as myself in a lower vibration or a sphere of thought not helping myself and others? Or can we not accept the idea that a reasonable doubt or empirical proof should or can be applied? Paramahansa Yogananda’s response to that was that we should go into the laboratory of our own meditation and use the test tubes of our meditation techniques to determine if they have validity. But would this be an acceptable proof for the scientifically minded who seeks consistency and verification? Or has science itself become obsolete in the subjective experience of meditation? While science maybe able to prove certain biological and physiological phenomena, it is unable to currently verify subjective experiences and states of consciousness that someone meditating describes.

[mccoy]

Steve, it would appear that you are plunging fast into the deepest rabbit-hole!

I think maybe I can simplify at least the last part of your post, the sphere of thought related to the existence of God, a sphere around which you can find many interesting verbal duels by eminent philosophers

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Steve, it would appear that you are plunging fast into the deepest rabbit-hole!

I think maybe I can simplify at least the last part of your post, the sphere of thought related to the existence of God, a sphere around which you can find many interesting verbal duels by eminent philosophers

😂

One can only hope
Hope springs eternal!

There are so many spheres of thought that you’ve shown me here, Brother Mccoy that I followed your example and found this rabbit 🕳️ hole where you appeared to lead me. Now I know how Hamlet felt. But hope gives me pause to peep outside the rabbit hole for only a momentary glimpse around to see my soul shadow and then return to inner sanctum.

😜

“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”

~Shakespeare

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[mccoy]

We may use a mathematical term to define the spheres of thought as 'sets', vast sets of thought, or ideas, which include so many subsets, the various aspects and layers of one specific concept or family of concepts.

For example, the sphere of thought of the existence of God. This sphere is purely logical. No material evidence is possible. This set is totally outside the scope of physical science, since it is a metaphysical sphere, it only resides in the causal realm. This is a sphere of thought which has no or little projections into the material world.

This sphere of thought can only imply discussions based on logical arguments. This is one of the fields where philosophy rules, since science, being limited to the material world, is powerless.

The wrong sphere of thought is the sphere of atheism. Scientists have developed so many arguments against the existence of God, some of them imply a leap of faith which is similar to religion, so such scientists do not realize that in the effort to negate the existence of God they created an alternate religion.

The interesting thing which Anandamoy has implied in his fleeting hint at the sphere of thought, is that such arguments against the existence of God already exist as ideas, belonging to the set or sphere of thought of atheism, emanating from God itself. We can choose the right sphere of thought (acknowledgment of the existence of God) or the wrong one (denial of the existence of God), but such spheres are already there, we created nothing.

There is also a subset just astride atheism and theism, which is skepticism and agnosticism, this is maybe an intersection of sets, or spheres.

Steve, of course the above is highly simplified.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

My mind often goes through spheres of thought while meditating. At some point it goes beyond thoughts of this small entity called Jitendra and recognizes a sphere of thought beyond this time and space where this entity inhabits. 700 years from now there will be nothing of this thought and appearance. Yet most people do not get beyond the thought of their present needs and desires. Their present identities and aspirations. Not to mention that true meditation goes beyond all spheres of thought and is an experience beyond such concepts.

It is not a common experience for most people that meditate. But it is possible and this one has experienced it. I say this one, because the moment one recognizes what they are experiencing, if there is any thought of identity the experience evaporates. And here left with the experience, there can really be no way this material world can be seen as the same again.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Recently I’ve been attempting to understand other people’s sphere of thoughts. There is often resistance or sometimes tension with others because we do not sufficiently understand their spheres of thought. We must also recognize that it is often not possible to explain or necessary to explain our thinking and attitudes to others.

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[mccoy]

Recently I’ve been attempting to understand other people’s sphere of thoughts. There is often resistance or sometimes tension with others because we do not sufficiently understand their spheres of thought. We must also recognize that it is often not possible to explain or necessary to explain our thinking and attitudes to others.

I agree that, from our side, it is not possible, or necessary or advisable to explain the spheres of thought we adopted.

On the other side, I think that sometimes we may try to understand which spheres of thought other people have chosen. Those spheres of thought already existed in the causal world, so, if not too far-fetched, we may be able to grasp what they mean and if they adopted a right or a wrong sphere. It is an issue of discrimination. For example, should I listen to an expert explaining nutritional stuff on youtube? Did he or she usually adopt the right or the wrong sphere of thought? if we are able to discern if the expert is able to choose the right spheres, with a high degree of probability, then we can follow his or her suggestions. If they contrary, that's someone not to follow.

Also, in some instances we may recognize that is is useless and time consuming to discuss with someone who adopted a very wrong sphere of thought. For example, most conspiracy theories rose from the wrong spheres of thought in the realm of ideas. Spheres which are able to mesmerize the people who adopted them.