United States; the Sibly chart with Sagittarius Rising

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Liz Green and other astrologers have used the Sagittarius Rising Chart for the United States.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.1

The most used chart for the United States is 7 degrees Gemini Rising

https://astrologyforaquarius.com/DownloadBook/13/the-usa-birth-chart-with-7-gemini-rising

Regardless of he Rising sign we know the position of the planets to one another, the day the Declaration of Independence was signed. It is important to note that Pluto has returned to its position at which it was when the declaration of Independence was signed. And there can be a strong case for Sagittarius Rising in the U.S. chart because it places the Natal Pluto of our the United States in the 2nd house of values. Which is obviously a very important factor now taking place in this country where i live.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Currently I will be using the Astrology chart of the United States with Sagittarius rising. It explains quite a bit about what’s happening right now in the country I live in and with its friends and adversaries. Open this thread to see a photo of the U.S. chart.

We can see the critical and destined fateful events taking place that suddenly happened recently with Uranus transiting the fifth house of the nations pleasures and enjoyments and making a fateful angle to the ascendant. This is a test of the country’s expression in the worlds view in our decisions regarding how we handle and express our concerns about the unfolding events in Ukraine and Russia.

Obviously 🙄 many of us our encountering a change in values as Pluto is transiting it’s natal position in the house of values. And most Americans will experience a change of values because of Russia’s aggression and the concerns it has raised in world consciousness. Neptune in opposition to its natal position signifies the illusions and lies we face both here in our country and abroad and developing a philosophy and view point that can satisfy our relationship with other countries and in the United States regarding social issues that have come up with globalism, democracy verses autocracy and the illusions surrounding our government’s involvement with social issues. Most people are facing a resurgence and revamping of political views as the sudden return to war in Ukraine and the fear for the survival of democracy in that part of the world is making many people have to re-think  just what this means to democracy in the world environment.

Saturn 🪐 transiting the second house of values shows the price most of us face here and the sacrifices we must make economically to help others enjoy the same freedom we ourselves often take for granted.

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[Jitendra Hydonus]

When nations are created they often go through revolutions. About 260 years ago the United Staes went through a rough a revolution and the Declaration of Independence was signed. In the last year Pluto has come back to that position so we have seen some of the same movements of change are countries here went through when it originated. Major differences have been brought out between for instance the west coast people who are more progressive and the more down to earth people of the red states and south in geographical outlooks.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

We can see clearly the affects of Transiting Pluto to its natal position in the U.S. natal chart last year about this time (March and April of 2021) when the pandemic was raging in this country affecting more people then anywhere both economically (Pluto natal and transiting in the second house and challenging the values of differing views as well.) It finally went retrograde at the end of April 2021) But then went forward again to become one again with its natal position at the end of February 2022. This was the beginning of the Ukrainian/Russian escalation. Pluto will come back again to cross natal Pluto in late June 2022 and will not leave that position till late January of 2022. But even then Pluto will be hovering over natal Pluto in transit till late October of 2023. So anyone with a knowledge of how Pluto works relentlessly at changing people and transforming them into something they have never recognized before- will be a complete change of the values of the people of this country- through challenging economic periods.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

An interesting time to see the Sibly version of the United States chart. Pluto is having its return in transit, while Saturn will soon be in orb of natal Moon. And Jupiter makes its transit to the I.C. Mars is presently also going retrograde making its return through the nations health issues. Good time to verify the accuracy of this chart in contrast to other timings of the United States charts on the Fourth of July.

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[Jitendra Hydonus]

Ahhh 😱 interesting. Mars is now conjunct the U.S. Chart over Uranus. Sudden changes of a volatile nature. Sudden volatile changes in the U.S. in this coming month of Jan. 2022. Some of this we have already seen as the snow storms hitting the plains and midwest as well as the flooding in California and the west coastal states. However also on the political level there has been much contention and division that has brought in the New Year.

[guest587]

I hold on to Swami V's predictions, that 2025-26 we can expect a catastrophe worse than the covid-plandemic. All of this, is an opportunity to grow with our spiritual values.
Overall the future is hopeful, we're transitioning on many levels and some people have not actualized the moves made against them with regards to humanities recent past. All part of a karmic wave we can not escape. Swami said even he is immersed in this collective karma. I remember him calling it a momentous wave. One accumulated before our present incarnations, one we have contributed to.

I don't know if you've answered my question, were you able to check out the affirmations video by Swami? No big deal if not, I am not forcing the issue- just curious for conversations sake.

http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,8249.0.html

Surprisingly, it's still available to watch!

[Jitendra Hydonus]

An interesting time to see the Sibly version of the United States chart. Pluto is having its return in transit, while Saturn will soon be in orb of natal Moon. And Jupiter makes its transit to the I.C. Mars is presently also going retrograde making its return through the nations health issues. Good time to verify the accuracy of this chart in contrast to other timings of the United States charts on the Fourth of July.

Joy - a friend that has been on this site as a visitor for years - met with me today to help me store  a few items while I travel. She started a conversation about the transit of Pluto, which interested me. So I decided to come back to the U.S. chart and see just what transiting Pluto is currently doing and what it will be doing in the near future.

Currently it is still hovering over its natal position when this country was started, as we know it today ( not as the American Indians may have known it. ) As by some kind of synchronous incident, Joy came by when Pluto is conjunct - that is it is moving at the same place it did when the United States was created. i.e. at 27 degrees  Capricorn ♑️ ( tropical astrology ). Which brings major revolutionary changes similar to those we had when we won our independence from England and King George.

Also, if you look at the chart I have provided with transiting planets pictured in green, you will find that in a few years Pluto will be transiting the south node of the United States chart. Which means now, and even more in the future years this country is experiencing its own karma in regards to what it has done in history and all the hidden lies,  misinformation and criminal activity we have done to people, and other nations as well as our own citizens is now surfacing and will only increase as time progresses. This includes people who we see as leaders or important to our way of life; these people too will increasingly be seen through the lens of a magnifier to expose any hidden agendas or unsavory behavior they have committed against others.

See chart below by opening this thread now…

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[Jitendra Hydonus]

We must also recognize that new revelations of how the articles of independence will declare to the world the end of kingdoms, would be dictatorial leaders and dictatorships and a new era of brotherhood will transpire as the Dwapara (bronze age) increases its influence.

[guest587]

Hi Steve,

I can't find your post- not to long ago, I thought I remember you mentioning the US as it relates to astrology is going through a, "revealing transition." Uncomfortable truths coming to light? Do you remember saying anything like that?

"CNN Town Hall Host Tries to Disrupt Vivek Ramaswamy as He Reveals Truth Behind J6"
https://twitter.com/BerryRazi/status/1735148440831889469

Vivek Ramaswamy has been revealing some very interesting facts. He specifically says the words, uncomfortable truths. Apparently, the red tail hawk is also a sign of uncomfortable truths.

I also shared a post where we question whether or not the network was attempting to censor Vivek as he was answering a debate question- because what he was saying would make powerful special interest uncomfortable http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,8638.msg44193.html#msg44193

I maintain the belief that a vote for RFK JR is good karma, and I am equally impressed by Vivek Ramaswamy. He is someone I may be voting for. He may bring about the reformed type of capitalism Swami V has predicted which becomes apparent as early as 2029.

Both Vivek and RFK JR have specifically mentioned names other candidates would not touch. Both have shown an interest in breaking up the monopolies that are steering America into modern day slavery. I sympathize with RFK JR who lost his Uncle at the hands of the shadow government. And, it seems, more is coming to light about these shadowy forces today.

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Yes Eric it is reply #7 above. This is reply #10 you can see replies right below the title to each post.

I think you are looking for this and reply #3 speaks about how our pocket books and values will go through  a transformation.

I have included the Sibly chart below ⬇️ (open this thread) with current transits. Notice Pluto is within orb of transit to its natal position in Capricorn.

I will explain further soon…. I’m meditating every Sunday nite at 9 eastern, With a friend. Hope you join!


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[guest587]

Ah, yes I see it now. I was almost there, lol. Thanks Steve. Enjoy the sublime. 

[Jitendra Hydonus]

Ah, yes I see it now. I was almost there, lol. Thanks Steve. Enjoy the sublime. 

Yea thanks for opening the portal door. I included the natal and the transit chart included in green outside the natal chart. As you can see Pluto transiting is still at its natal position in the second house of values, the values and monetary situation of this country. This countries values and monetary situation are going thru a death and rebirth so to speak. We may be looking at money  quite differently when it is all over. First though, Pluto will soon enter Aquarius and hit the U.S. south node at the beginning of Aquarius. Look to this event to unleash a lot of previous karma this country has built up. So it will prove eventful. This can be scene as the north node in the beginning of Leo…. the south node, although not shown, is in the opposite direction at the beginning of Aquarius.

It is well known when the U.S. became a country but not the exact time that the Declaration of Independence was signed. I would say that because of the slow movements of most planets-especially Pluto- one can make predictions based on information gleaned here to make at least a reasonable general assessment. This Ofcourse is assuming that karmic factors unleash and influence a nation as they obviously do for individuals, which by this time in my life I have found to be undeniable, and Masters themselves are in agreement on this fact.

Since other countries have gone through many different kingdoms, emperors and presently for Italy and Germany democracy, i would think a chart for the day the country became a democracy would be a more accurate point of origin for this period of time, and century. Although that information may be somewhat murky because of events like for instance the fall of the Berlin Wall, which could justifiably be thought of as  the inception of democracy for that whole country.