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« on: Sep 17, 2019 07:27 am »

Whom should one love, how should one love? Whatever one loves -- whether duty, human beings, art, friends, an ideal, or one's fellow-creatures -- one has certainly opened that door through which to pass in order to reach that love which is God. The beginning of love is an excuse; it leads to that ideal of love which is God alone.

   ~~~ "Gathekas for Candidates, Gatheka 17", by Hazrat Inayat Khan (unpublished)
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 26, 2019 09:54 pm »

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As a role-model, consider this shepherd that Moses encountered one day:

Once Moses was walking near the bank of a river, and he saw a shepherd boy speaking to himself. Moses was interested and halted there to listen to what he was saying. The shepherd boy was saying, 'O God, I have heard so much of You. You are so beautiful, You are so lovely, You are so kind, that if You ever came to me I would clothe You with my mantle, and I would guard You night and day. I would protect You from the cruel animals of this forest, and bathe You in this river, and bring to You all good things, milk and buttermilk. I would bring You a special bread. I love You so much. I would not let anyone cast his glance upon You. I would be all the time near You. I love You so much! If only I could see You once, God, I would give all I have.'

The Alchemy of Happiness, Hazrat Inayat Khan
        (see also Mathnawi II:1720, Jalaluddin Rumi)

Such a love! Such tenderness, such compassion! A love that asks naught for itself, but only seeks the pleasure and comfort of the beloved.

The unabashed love of that shepherd is the exact same kind of love that we too must have for our Beloved, and also for one another... not in just pleasant circumstances, but even in the midst of the most difficult situations.

Take a moment and see if you can honestly make such a heartfelt prayer to your own Beloved. In the depths of your own heart, discover what it feels like to have such overflowing love, reverence and humility, without any thought of any return whatsoever, loving purely for the delight of loving.

As a spiritual practice, try devoting a little bit of time, even just a minute or two, each day in a quiet relaxed moment, to meditate on the experience of the rock-splitting, ice-melting love that the shepherd was enraptured by. And then, as it becomes easier to experience that unbounded, endless, ever-flowing love, begin to offer that same love to every person that you encounter.

Imagine if you will, a world where your initial response to every person in every situation is to feel those loving words of the shepherd "You are so beautiful, you are so lovely, I will clothe you with my own coat, I will guard you, and bring you all good things...", and the more vividly one imagines this situation, the more easily it will be put into practice.

Interestingly, the subconscious mind does not know the difference between events that we vividly imagine and those which have really happened. Therefore, the subconscious mind can be reprogrammed by our own visualizations. If, for example, you are having a problem with a certain person, then with all of your heart, all of your sincerity, imagine yourself with that person and saying so kindly, so lovingly, so compassionately "You are so beautiful, you are so lovely, I will clothe you with my own coat, I will guard you, and bring you all good things..." and if you are truly sincere in your feelings, you will now find that your relationship with that person will be blessed with a newfound depth and clarity. Try it. The results are limited only by the depth of your own sincerity.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 27, 2019 12:48 pm »

im going to try this experiment.
do you think its ok to hold someone with love in your mind even when that someone wants you to dissapear? or is it more appropriate to honor their wishes by trying to minimize your thoughts towards them until you are succesfully able to let them go, removing them from your mind... ?
i think about someone who wants to kill our connection. maybe id be serving her by granting such a request, mentally severing the thoughts?
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 28, 2019 06:04 am »

im going to try this experiment.
do you think its ok to hold someone with love in your mind even when that someone wants you to dissapear? or is it more appropriate to honor their wishes by trying to minimize your thoughts towards them until you are succesfully able to let them go, removing them from your mind... ?
i think about someone who wants to kill our connection. maybe id be serving her by granting such a request, mentally severing the thoughts?

If she wants to be that way and not even contact you.....You can let go and other doors will open for you. You cannot control the lessons other people have to learn in life only your own and your attitude towards them.

You cannot make others happy you can only spread your own happiness. If someone is unable to receive it because they are not receptive... it is their loss and people do have to learn from their own losses. Even if it is a good friend. God gives and God takes away. You already know that, but may have to be reminded. Do you remember the message of the female deer just a few nites ago?

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« Reply #4 on: Dec 28, 2019 04:50 pm »

hi steve, thank you for your reply.
i meant to ask, if someone wants you out of their life, does that mean we can still pray for them? or is it better to leave them out of our minds, which means granting their request- by abolishing our thoughts of that person, we are honoring their wishes to killing the connection.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2020 06:36 pm »

He is wise who treats an acquaintance as a friend, and he is foolish who treats a friend as an acquaintance, and he is impossible who treats friends and acquaintances as strangers; you cannot help him.

     Bowl of Saki, May 19, by Hazrat Inayat Khan
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2020 04:54 am »

Faith in Love...

"Good deeds, kindness, forgiveness, tolerance, acts of love, none of these are ever lost, and some day they will return to us. Even if the recipient appears ungrateful or heedless, it is all the same. There is no need to be disappointed even if he proves to be unworthy of our kindness and our love. When we realize that all life is one life, we discover that it is to that life that we give our love and kindness and mercy. Then it is bound to return to us, if not today, perhaps next week. If not next week, perhaps next year. If not here, then somewhere where we never expected it could possibly come. 'Thou shalt find it after many days.'"
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2020 06:25 am »

Faith in Love...

"Good deeds, kindness, forgiveness, tolerance, acts of love, none of these are ever lost, and some day they will return to us. Even if the recipient appears ungrateful or heedless, it is all the same. There is no need to be disappointed even if he proves to be unworthy of our kindness and our love. When we realize that all life is one life, we discover that it is to that life that we give our love and kindness and mercy. Then it is bound to return to us, if not today, perhaps next week. If not next week, perhaps next year. If not here, then somewhere where we never expected it could possibly come. 'Thou shalt find it after many days.'"

A reassuring message which I have already found has come to pass in the here and now and in retrospect.....sometimes we realize that things were much better than we had thought at the time they occurred.
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 19, 2020 12:12 am »

Love can always be discerned in the thought, speech, and action of the lover, for in his every expression there is a charm which shows as a beauty, tenderness, and delicacy. A heart burning in love's fire has a tendency to melt every heart with which it comes in contact. ... Love is like the fire; its glow is devotion, its flame is wisdom, its smoke is attachment, and its ashes detachment. Flame rises from glow, so it is with wisdom, which rises from devotion. When love's fire produces its flame it illuminates the devotee's path in life like a torch, and all darkness vanishes.

   from  https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/V/V_19.htm

All deeds of kindness and beneficence take root in the soil of the loving heart. Generosity, charity, adaptability, an accommodating nature, even renunciation, are the offspring of love alone. The great, rare and chosen beings, who for ages have been looked up to as ideal in the world, are the possessors of hearts kindled with love. All evil and sin come from the lack of love.

People call love blind, but love in reality is the light of the sight. The eye can only see the surface; love can see much deeper. All ignorance is the lack of love. As fire when not kindled gives only smoke, but when kindled, the illumination flame springs forth, so it is with love. It is blind when undeveloped, but, when its fire is kindled, the flame that lights the path of the traveler from mortality to everlasting life springs forth.


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« Reply #9 on: Jun 20, 2020 12:03 am »

It is an amazing thing I have witnessed now twice recently and at other times in my life... I have found friends I have really loved who had views very different than my own which makes me wonder...
Is time just a line and we are a dot in that line looking backward and forward? Is it possible to take away that string of time? Also ideology is somewhat the same... there can be views way to the left and way to the right... yet is it possible the perception of such differences is also an illusion we have come to accept when love seems to transcend and evaporate such differences.
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 22, 2020 05:44 am »

Our virtues are made of love, and our sins are caused by lack of it. Love turns sins into virtues, and its lack makes virtues meaningless HIK
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 22, 2020 10:46 am »

Our virtues are made of love, and our sins are caused by lack of it. Love turns sins into virtues, and its lack makes virtues meaningless HIK
https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/V/V_22.htm

 Beautifully stated. When your really feeling love it is difficult to take wrong actions. Because your actions are motivated by the heart.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 26, 2022 05:56 am »

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What is lacking today in the world is idealism. Where does idealism come from? From deep thought. Today life in general keeps man so busy in his occupation, in his profession, in his work of everyday life, that he has no time to think deeply and better; he does not find his ideal. Among a thousand persons there is perhaps one person who has an ideal and knows what ideal he has. All the others do not know it, they do not have an ideal. Besides, it is not only to have an ideal, but it is necessary to know the ideal and to attain to the ideal, to develop towards it, to unfold oneself towards the ideal. It is that in which lies life's fulfillment.

Ideals are of five different kinds. There is a certain principle which is a person's ideal, and if he can live that principle he has lived his ideal. There is a certain action which is a person's ideal; if he has accomplished that action then his ideal is fulfilled. There is a belief which is a person's ideal, and if he is able to keep to that belief he has fulfilled his ideal. There is a certain height to which a person wishes to reach, and that mark which he wishes to reach is his ideal. The fifth ideal is a person in whom is a man's ideal, and when all the attributes which that person has are attained then that ideal is fulfilled.

But all these five ideals are as five stepping-stones to the shrine of God. The greatest ideal, the highest ideal is the ideal of God. It is not necessary – and yet it is most necessary – that there should be a stepping-stone to go to the altar of God. Without this stepping-stone many are lost. It is often a very rigid soul who will say, 'God is my ideal. I do not care for any other ideal'. It comes from his rigidness, for it only means that he does not wish for the ladder; he wishes to jump from the ground to the next floor. The ideal of God is the perfect ideal, and in order to reach it there must be a footstool, there must be a ladder, there must be a steppingstone which leads to it – be it a principle, be it a belief, be it an action, be it a position, be it a person.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 01, 2023 02:29 am »

The one who can live up to his ideal is the king of life; he who cannot live up to it is life's slave.

    Bowl of Saki, February 28, by Hazrat Inayat Khan

Commentary by Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan:

The ideal life is at least to try to live up to one's ideal. But in order to have an ideal one must first awaken to an ideal. Not everyone possesses an ideal; many people do not know of it. It is no exaggeration to say that the wars and disasters we have gone through, the unrest that all feel, and the disagreement among the people which is sometimes seen and sometimes not seen, are all caused by one thing and that is the lack of an ideal.

   from  https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VI/VI_15.htm


Is it power which is the object of the spiritual person, or is it inspiration after which he seeks? It is in fact neither of these things which he pursues, but all such things as power and inspiration follow him as he proceeds on his path towards the spiritual goal. The goal of the spiritual person is self-realization, and his journey is towards the depth of his own being, his God, his ideal.

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God is the ideal that raises mankind to the utmost reach of perfection. ... There is no ideal that can raise the moral standard higher than the God-ideal, although love is the root of all and God is the fruit of this. Love's expansion and love's culmination and love's progress all depend upon the God-ideal.

   from  https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/III/III_III_4.htm


That which makes us esteem those whom we esteem is their ideal. That which raises man from earth to heaven is his ideal. And that which pulls man down from the heavens to the earth is also his ideal. When he does not live up to his ideal, he falls to earth. And when he raises his ideal he goes from earth to heaven. He can rise to any height, according to the stature of his ideal.

   from  https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VII/VII_29.htm



  ~~~ He who can live up to his ideal is the king of life; he who cannot live up to it is life's slave.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 26, 2023 02:18 am »

HIK goes on to say that there are two perspectives regarding the God Ideal as a consequence of human evolution, and seems to favor a pantheistic outlook.

"The other, the major point of view is perhaps less interesting to some and more interesting to others; however, this is the true point of view. When a person begins to see all goodness as being the goodness of God, all the beauty that surrounds him as the divine beauty, he begins by worshipping a visible God, and as his heart constantly loves and admires the divine beauty in all that he sees, he begins to see in all that is visible one single vision; all becomes for him the vision of the beauty of God. His love of beauty increases his capacity to such a degree that great virtues such as tolerance and forgiveness spring naturally from his heart. Even things that people mostly look upon with contempt, he views with tolerance. The brotherhood of humanity he does not need to learn, for he does not see humanity, he sees only God. And as this vision develops, it becomes a divine vision, which occupies every moment of his life. In nature he sees God, in man he sees His image, and in art and poetry he sees the dance of God. The waves of the sea bring him the message from above, and the swaying of the branches in the breeze seems to him a prayer. For him there is a constant contact with his God. He knows neither horror nor terror, nor any fear. Birth and death to him are only insignificant changes in life. Life for him is a moving picture, which he loves and admires, and yet he is free from it all. He is one among all the world. He himself is happy, and he makes others happy. This point of view is the pantheistic point of view."
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