What is Truth

[SI]

Very sorry u feel that way. Even Gandhi another bad leader wow. Sorry u feel that way.

Yes let's take everything out of context to prove a false point shall we?

Gandhi is not a typical case, and has nothing to do with leaders of this country, and many others. But you already knew that.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

Very sorry u feel that way. Even Gandhi another bad leader wow. Sorry u feel that way.

Yes let's take everything out of context to prove a false point shall we?

Gandhi is not a typical case, and has nothing to do with leaders of this country, and many others. But you already knew that.

Lincoln and Washington two other leaders of this nation who were liars according to u rite?

[SI]

Lincoln and Washington two other leaders of this nation who were liars according to u rite?

Did you know either of them personally?

Did we have any media coverage of scandalous behavior as we do now?

Do you trust people who lived years ago that you never knew but because you haven't read any negative yelp reviews, they're stain free?

Remember that Gandhi slept between 2 teen girls, supposedly as an innocent test of himself. There are other stories of his sexual habits as well. If he lived now and did something like that, he would be done. I'm not saying he didn't do great things as did Lincoln and Washington, but truthful butterflies? Not so sure.

Look this is just an extension of some sort of pissed off-edness with trump. That's it. Digressing and spiraling the thread only distracts this fact. There is nothing that can be done with this president, he has the power. He will likely do more crap to piss you off even more. But then when he's out of office after his term, and a new one comes in, we'll still have tax issues, so called global warming issues, deficit, wealth inequality, immigrant crap, and you name it. You can march against stuff all you like until you move on, but likely at this point, it won't accomplish anything. Using the power of thought thru meditation or other means likely accomplishes what you need at a level that far surpasses.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

Lincoln and Washington two other leaders of this nation who were liars according to u rite?

Did you know either of them personally?

Did we have any media coverage of scandalous behavior as we do now?

Do you trust people who lived years ago that you never knew but because you haven't read any negative yelp reviews, they're stain free?

Remember that Gandhi slept between 2 teen girls, supposedly as an innocent test of himself. There are other stories of his sexual habits as well. If he lived now and did something like that, he would be done. I'm not saying he didn't do great things as did Lincoln and Washington, but truthful butterflies? Not so sure.

Look this is just an extension of some sort of pissed off-edness with trump. That's it. Digressing and spiraling the thread only distracts this fact. There is nothing that can be done with this president, he has the power. He will likely do more crap to piss you off even more. But then when he's out of office after his term, and a new one comes in, we'll still have tax issues, so called global warming issues, deficit, wealth inequality, immigrant crap, and you name it. You can march against stuff all you like until you move on, but likely at this point, it won't accomplish anything. Using the power of thought thru meditation or other means likely accomplishes what you need at a level that far surpasses.

You may think im 'pisssd off' but that does not mean i am. Your perception of my so called reaction to the present power structure is pure conjecture on your part but does not present a positive or convincing assessment of my views or their expression. There is a big difference between this president and the preceding one. This one is working against the earth. This one is creating more wealth inequality. It is u who believes nothing can be done. You have said all our leaders were liars. I merely responded to your statement with evidence to the contrary....no digression. U just feel justified in your negativity about the ability to do anything about having a liar and psychopath as a president. I believe something can be done.

[SI]

You may think im 'pisssd off' but that does not mean i am. Your perception of my so called reaction to the present power structure is pure conjecture on your part but does not present a positive or convincing assessment of my views or their expression. There is a big difference between this president and the preceding one. This one is working against the earth. This one is creating more wealth inequality. It is u who believes nothing can be done. You have said all our leaders were liars. I merely responded to your statement with evidence to the contrary....no digression. U just feel justified in your negativity about the ability to do anything about having a liar and psychopath as a president. I believe something can be done.

If you're not pissed off then what are you? Happy about trump? Doesn't seem so. Your perception of what I am saying could also be conjecture on your part.

There is no difference between presidents. They all have made bad decisions and choices.

You do digress, you skirt issues and only address things that you want to.

And what can be done? Will you answer that or will you skirt?

[tides2dust]

The question of this thread is titled, "What is Truth"

And boy was it nauseating trying to read through this stuff. Same kind of crap took place on this portal back in 2017. I am ashamed I ever humored it any further.

But this is a Satsang, and the question in particular is on TRUTH. What is it?

I have come to the conclusion that everyone has an opinion. More than one, and everyone has enough opinions for more than themselves.

I'm really starting to understand... "Truth is that which can not be spoken."

From Urdu poet Zahir, "'He who attaineth best the peace of God, his very self must lose."

What I'm feeling, more and more, as I explore different religious scriptures and interact with people of various belief and ideologies... Is more contained within myself. It can feel like a great burden, actually. It can be truly disappointing. For example. I may discover something like the Shroud of Torin- and in my excitement I may share it with a self identified Christian- only for that Christian to tell me what I am sharing is a production of the devil.

Or I may come to know God in a particular way, and no one outside myself can understand or come close to acknowledging this special experience with which I attempt to relay. Hazrat Inayat Khan says, " The all-important work in life is the attainment of God. God cannot be explained. Any attempt to do this always ends in failure."

This is why it can be maddening. We are so assured by our experiences. By following our Heart. And our Heart is not wrong, it is not wrong to be made wrong. Even if our Heart leads us to a disappointing reality, it was right in that it was a necessary part of our soul journey. I truly believe that.

So, more and more, we have everyone living life according to their own idea. Everyone following their own Heart. And when others try to share from their Heart, just look at what happens. Look at this thread to see for your self. We have ideas about God, about religion, about politics, about world views, about gender, about climate and population. And everyone is so convinced in their own belief. And it seems there is always something out there ready to affirm, while at the same time always something out there ready to challenge.

Maybe this is just the way of Duality.

Tonight I am beginning to understand that, as great as some of my experiences are- I can not share them with just anyone. "Don't throw your pearls before Swine." I do not say this to belittle people as Swine- I say this to say, not everyone is going to understand the wisdom God graces us with. And so, everything we are doing is a personal experience between this illusory notion of self and the ultimate reality that is God.

And it would appear God wants it this way. Variety is the spice of life eh? I learned that line from Steve. But we don't like not being able to share, we don't like others telling us we're wrong. We don't like others telling us how to live and experience life. Be you traditional or radical.

So, more and more, I come to understand this idea of renunciation. Because Truth can not be articulated. It can be experienced. It can be shared, but not by quoting news sources that affirm our notion of reality. Not by debating others over ideological differences. It is shared when we choose to help someone take out the trash after they've been complaining about being on their feet all day. It is shared when we offer someone a cup of water on a hot summer day. An act of kindness is far greater than attempting to relay our understanding of reality.

It is the act itself that is the truth.

But we fight this idea of renunciation. Because we are born as an individualized free expression of the Creator! We say, no- I do not have to agree with ANYTHING. This is MY LIFE, and I will experience it MY WAY. But the more we fight, the more we realize what is *not truth* And the more we do, the more we experience truth. There are uniting principles guiding this Universe. We may not be able to articulate them without deviating- because everything born of this level- 3D has its opposite. But we may be able to experience them, and together- by way of action, a mutual Knowing can fill our Hearts with a peace far superior than whatever words we use to try and describe it.

My friend Casey Claar says...

"Although most people we are not able to share with in the way we may like, we are able to share up to a point. It is both our job and our joy to discover this point and go no further -against their will -pushing our own upon them. <-- growing to have no will to do this will begin to feel good, great compassion is born from this. A love that has no bounds. I know that it also holds a sadness. It is a cross to bear in life."
 

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/10/13/fact-check-obama-born-hawaii-not-kenya/5898722001/

Fake birth certificates provided by ‘conspiracy theorists’

And…..

Republican Donald Trump asserted that Democrat Hillary Clinton and her campaign team first raised questions about Barack Obama's birthplace in 2008 - and that he was the man who settled the issue in 2011.

The truth, however, is markedly different.
As a preface to this latest turn in the Obama "birther" row, it should be noted that the location of Mr Obama's birth is generally considered irrelevant to whether Mr Obama is eligible to serve as US president. As long as he has one parent who was a US citizen, as Mr Obama's Kansas-born mother was, he is considered by the US government to be a "natural born citizen". That - along with being at least 35 years of age and resident in the US for 14 years - is the only necessary constitutional requirement for the presidency.

The BBC.

On 27 April, 2011, the Obama White House released his original "long-form" birth certificate.
In a press release on Thursday night and on stage in Washington, DC, on Friday morning, this is the moment Mr Trump pointed to as the "great service" he performed in laying to rest questions about Mr Obama's birthplace.
The truth here, however, is also markedly different.
Over the following years, Mr Trump continued to raise questions and express doubts.
In 2012 he tweeted that he had an "extremely credible source" who told him the birth certificate was a fraud.
In 2013 he raised suspicion about the death of a Hawaiian health official who verified copies of Mr Obama's "birth certificate".
In 2014 he asked hackers to access Mr Obama's college records and check his "place of birth".
As recently as this month, Mr Trump did not back away from his past support of the "birther" cause.
"I don't talk about it because if I talk about that, your whole thing will be about that," Trump said. "So I don't talk about it."
Mr Trump did talk about it on Friday - and he's right, it's all anyone is going to write about.

BBC.