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« on: Mar 19, 2011 12:05 am »

i had a music student who invited me to a Christian Meditation. We read a passage in the bible and then sat in silence for about 20 minutes and meditated on that phrase. After wards we expressed our personal revelations about what we had read. i honestly felt very blissful during some of those fellowships.

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 02, 2011 08:52 am »

That sounds most wonderful. Smiley

It is unfortunate when certain Christians believe they are nurturing a relationship with God and finding truth just by reading words from a book.

I think that stopping to be still and look inside ourselves is how the meaning in the Gospel is truly found.

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« Reply #2 on: Apr 02, 2011 04:00 pm »

"Be still and know that I am God."
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 29, 2016 11:13 pm »

Recently i was fortunate to play music at a Unity Church in Muskegon Michigan and was somewhat surprised that they have a short meditation during their service and the Rev. Diane Stark told me that meditation is part of the Unity Tradition.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 30, 2016 10:04 am »

Yes, I know of one instance where Yogananda recommended someone to attend a unity church. The account is told by Roy Davis in his book "As I knew Him".
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 05, 2019 04:30 am »

I believe it is from AoY where Yogananda references a teacher who has his students ponder on words for hours at a time. They'd read a little bit and then meditate. Reading everything in one sitting, going to fast, it takes away from meaning, the internalization of truth and the passion/desire for God. Inayat Khan says that simply studying books and having the knowledge isn't enough, that one should feel and take a personal interest in order to Learn and Grow closer with their ideal. 
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 06, 2021 05:20 am »

I believe it is from AoY where Yogananda references a teacher who has his students ponder on words for hours at a time. They'd read a little bit and then meditate. Reading everything in one sitting, going to fast, it takes away from meaning, the internalization of truth and the passion/desire for God. Inayat Khan says that simply studying books and having the knowledge isn't enough, that one should feel and take a personal interest in order to Learn and Grow closer with their ideal. 

Apart from having a few helpful  Christian friends I think this was my best experience with Christianity. The people at the meditation service were communing with spirit while meditating on the depth and meaning of the words. Yea you are right Eric. A key phrase meditated on can bring a sudden awakening... I have had it happen to me in the past. Like a zen koan.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 08, 2021 02:11 am »

I think I saw in a video you posted by Amma how the devotee can gain revelation from a single word spoken by a master.

I found my self researching the esoteric meaning of the Three Magi- ended up being pulled back to Melchizedek.

Stumbled across this gem you might find interesting.
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(i) Melchizedek and Biblical Root Meanings Introduction
Melchizedek and Biblical Root Meanings : In this article we will look at words in the Bible and demonstrate that by breaking down the parts of the name and looking at their Hebrew derivatives, we can come to a deeper understanding of what that word was supposed to mean esoterically in the context of the Bible. We will be looking at Melchizedek in detail as he will be the focus of two upcoming articles.

Words we will look at in this article are :

1. Melchizedek

2. Jerusalem

3. Jesus

4. Heli (grandfather of Jesus)

So books such as the one on the left are very useful in finding english equivalents of Hebrew root words in the Bible. We can therefore break names down such as Melchizedek into its parts and find out what the name represents. We can do this for other words in the bible such as Jerusalem which we will demonstrate in this article.

Before looking at our first word Melchizedek, we will look briefly at ‘dark matter’

 

One of the biggest conundrums in modern astronomy is the fact that over 90% of the Universe is invisible. This mysterious missing stuff is known as ‘dark matter‘. This dark matter was really important, as if it wasn’t there then galaxies would fly apart as they spun round.

(ii) Melchizedek and Root Meanings through Scripture Analysis
1. MELCHIZEDEK
 

We will see how dark matter relates to the biblical character MELCHIZEDEK.

The following verse introduces him:

Hebrews 7 : 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Abideth a priest continually = always in connection with spirit, again confirming he is not human as his existence is eternal

having neither beginning of days nor end of life = God always is and always has been

From the above verse Melchizedek is obviously not of human form. Even when we consider the previous verse to this:

Hebrews 7: 1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

In biblical symbolism:

Kings of the earth = thoughts of the mind.

7.2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

King of peace = silence found in meditation where we are free from thought.

So after the thoughts of the mind are dealt with and silenced you meet the universal energy of Melchizedek

Abraham gave a tenth = a tenth is the left material side or tithing

Tithing was associated with him & he was made out to be someone human:Picture showing the Meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek — (by Dieric Bouts the Elder, 1464–67). However we can clearly see that the scripture above does NOT make him out to be a man !
http://www.esotericmeanings.com/melchizedek-and-biblical-root-meanings/
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 24, 2023 12:33 pm »

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/did-jesus-meditate.html

It is obvious that many Christian’s have a very limited understanding of what meditation is, and obviously 🙄 did not explore it further than their own preconceptions. Since the definition of meditation by only ounce source shows no effort to truly find out it’s meaning and practice.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 24, 2023 05:18 pm »

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/did-jesus-meditate.html

It is obvious that many Christian’s have a very limited understanding of what meditation is, and obviously 🙄 did not explore it further than their own preconceptions. Since the definition of meditation by only ounce source shows no effort to truly find out it’s meaning and practice.

Is that statement limited to Western Christians? Because, if it is...



As I said above; It is obvious that many Christian’s have a very limited understanding of what meditation is, and obviously 🙄 did not explore it further than their own preconceptions. Since the definition of meditation by only one source shows no effort to truly find out it’s meaning and practice. Thanks for the video. I plan on watching it more than once. There appears to be a time when meditation and prayer merge into one. There is very little that can be described in absolute terms. Meditation and prayer included.

“I protest by my rejoicing in Jesus Christ. I die daily”

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1 Corinthians 15:31 Context

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 29Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 30And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? 31I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. 33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

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« Reply #10 on: Aug 25, 2023 11:11 am »

I would be grateful to see such people. I have yet to find one ‘Christian’ that will even meditate one hour. Sorry Uwi I have been confined to U.S. and Canada all my life. I will say though I’m fortunate to have met many eastern mystics who meditate long hours and keep their minds on God most if not all the time.

I have never claimed to be infallible, that I have knowledge of, but I can only speak of my limited experience in life. It would be nice to meet such Christians that for instance stayed in the desert 40 days and nites as Jesus did. The question I have is did Jesus play with lizards out there? Or did he constantly talk to God and bore him to tears. Quite likely he listened to God. And that is the point I try to make to ‘most’ Christian’s I meet who actually in the past have tried for hours at a time to convince me that meditation is somehow evil.

I would refer you back to the first post I made here in this thread to show you there are other Christians who have felt much different. So how will the Christians you met prove me wrong? Do you see why this thread was started? I have met some that meditate thus the thread I began here.

So, maybe now it would be fair to say the Christian knowledge about meditation (or better to say the lack thereof, you were referring to) applies to Christians in the land of the free (i.e. Umrica)?

Or would that be (again) putting things too far? In that case, Steve does the term Christians you named in your post only apply to the Christians that Stevie ever met?

It is obvious that many Christian’s have a very limited understanding of what meditation is, and obviously 🙄 did not explore it further than their own preconceptions. ...
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 25, 2023 03:01 pm »

With the above I would like to include the Gnostics and Essences. Who I deem closer to true Christians than most other Christian religions. They were thrown out as a heresy, which is a great black mark for conventional religion. In fact  Brother Turiyananda callied it the ‘worst thing Satan ever did to the Christian religion.’ And he explained why; ‘ because it put guilt in the followers of Christianity.’ And as you most likely know the Self Realization Fellowship are also Christians as I am myself. Yet all my life Ive been told that I was following the ways of Satan with my views of Christianity which includes reincarnation and the view that Jesus, while being an avatar was definitely not the only one. Which most Christians still today believe in the United Clones. However definitely not in India. These views migrated here from Europe and stayed here until the followers of Indian religions came to our shores.

Most eastern religions do support and include Christianity in their teachings. However up till recently it definitely does not work the other way around. I have found no religion ( in the United Clones) as smug as conventional Christians with their view that only Christians go to heaven. And of course they do not accept the idea we lived before. What caused the atrocities of our indigenous people? Christians that considered Indians and their spiritual views heathen.

So yes you have met Christians who practice Kriya hours on end, i being one of them. I was raised as a Christian and found the total intolerance of my views all around me including much of my family. Most of that biological family I do not include as my spiritual family. So I now ask you where am I “totally wrong” as you put it below…..these Christians I am referring to below are mostly from Europe including Germany where you are from and they migrated to the United Clones. I have even spent a lot of time with a German who has been a dear friend. But Rudhi Siebert who fought for the Nazi’s in WWII definitely does not believe in reincarnation and told me personally ‘it is a horrible philosophy that God would people through”. He is a Catholic and was a part of the Catholic underground as a German pilot for Adolph Hitler. So my answer is yes it includes people from the “land of the free” as you put it. That is the land of Germany… “people I have met”, as you so aptly put it. He is a Catholic from Germany but let us not forget Martin Luther, from Germany whose belief was….

Afterlife and Salvation
Martin Luther, like most traditional Christians, believed that this life was simply a pilgrimage, a journey toward our final destination. That destination was an eternity spent either in heaven or in hell. There was nothing one could do to earn a spot in heaven-God freely forgave the sins of some, and they could enter heaven. Heaven is a state of blessedness where you exist in the presence of God, something humans have not been able to do since the fall in the Garden of Eden. Hell was a place of torment, as just punishment for sin.

https://www.patheos.com/library/lutheran/beliefs/afterlife-and-salvation

So you see these views of Christianity in the states directly came from your country and mccoy’s in Italy where Catholicism considered reincarnation a heresy.

https://reincarnate.life/reincarnation-was-removed-from-the-bible-claims-scholar/


So, maybe now it would be fair to say the Christian knowledge about meditation (or better to say the lack thereof, you were referring to) applies to Christians in the land of the free (i.e. Umrica)?

Or would that be (again) putting things too far? In that case, Steve does the term Christians you named in your post only apply to the Christians that Stevie ever met?

It is obvious that many Christian’s have a very limited understanding of what meditation is, and obviously 🙄 did not explore it further than their own preconceptions. ...

Sorry, I'm confused...

I have met and known countless Christians to prove you wrong, Steve. Very wrong.

Yes Ive met those people also and I am one of them. There are many people who have a very distorted view of Christianity ( in my view) which I do not accept as a Christian myself. But they prove me right if any proof is needed. Although, no amount of discussion will change them, so why waste your time?
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 25, 2023 06:11 pm »

Steve, we all were born like we are.

You say you believe in Sanathana Dharma (by following Paramahansa Yogananda and Amma).
I cannot help but think that both (and their saint-teachers) must have "told" you that God is all-inclusive.
Baba Hariharananda often said, "There is no Non-God in this universe."
If what I said now holds true, then...

Why do you post lots of politically and religiously sectarian thoughts, on your board? (I'm not interested in any of this, personally.)

Didn't you digest the message completely yet, that we cannot change others, but only change ourselves (and thus help changing the world through our own example)?

Trying to change others (even complaining about others or creating a wave against them) only leads to more conflict.
At least, this is what I mean to have understood from the masters.



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« Reply #13 on: Aug 25, 2023 06:30 pm »

Thanks for your observations. Perhaps we will return to such topics afresh. I see mine presently affect you adversely. May you find peace in your soul. That’s where I now go to find my own. It is not easy… this world… always has turmoil especially now in the Dwapara yuga. We all have our moments of distress in finding solutions that may not be those of others. Though we are blessed to have the blessings of the great ones in finding our own personal peace.



Just sayin', and now I'll stop. Reading all of your "observations" on this "spiritual" smorgasboard just gives me more headaches than I already have.

Sorry for the bother, brother..!

*peace on earth*

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« Reply #14 on: Aug 25, 2023 09:10 pm »

 Grin I'm sorry thisbody, it seems I can't help but laugh a little in this moment. It's just too humorous and affirming of my own experiences with Steve over the years too.

No offense Steve. Hahaha.

Ahhhh. = ) That was refreshing.

None of us claim perfection, and many of our interest are indeed unoriginal. That being said, I wish you both a beautiful day.

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