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Title: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Oct 29, 2023 12:12 am Today PM mr. Netanyahu gave a speech to the country. The gist, AFAIK, is: war to Hamas.
So, the cosmic drama is unfolding. I choose to be a spectator of the cosmic drama and see the events as a spectator. My personal involvement if there si some is delusional, since this is but a cosmic drama. But we all know that when we see a film we sometimes become engrossed. I also choose to be a critic spectator. To comment and analyze the plot. This is one episode of a series. It may be the last one though. My comments: 1- The film started with a horrific assault on Israeli civilians by the military wing of Hamas, the party which is ruling the strip of Gaza. 2- Hamas is evidently one of the villains. The main villain I would say. The interpretation of this film by the Harvard students or by some radical leftists or by the Palestinians and other Muslims scattered around the world is that Hamas is the hero. LOL, the cosmic drama is open to opposing interpretations. the truth though is that Hamas is ruling Gaza even as hitler was ruling Germany or Stalin the Soviet Union, a rigid, inexorable dictatorship. 3- After about 20 days of aerial bombings on places in Gaza where the enemy is believed to have bases, Israel has decided: the ground war is going to begin. 4- Has Israel fallen into the trap of the enemy? They are venturing into an urban warfare they do not know how to fight. They are venturing into enemy territory with dozens of miles of tunnels and underground facilities. A nightmare for whatever army. 5- What is Iran going to do? Iran was strongly against the Abraham accords, the peace negotiations between the arab world and Israel. Iran has financed Hamas and rules the Hezbollah troops in Lebanon. 6- America, although trying to deter Israel from action, has sent a carrier to contain possible reactions from Iran and Syria. It is also sending the Eisenhower to the Persian Gulf. 7- The western world is pretty unanimous in supporting the right of Israel to defend itself. Some political parties and activists are strongly against this. As a spectator, I would like to see the villain eliminated, but many surprises can occur. Israel is no hero, but I agree that in the plot it must react and try to eliminate this devilish neighbour. There are odds that it is falling into a trap, a nasty one at that. Uwe, I am just commenting a film, whose producer and director is God himself. Tomorrow anything can happen in the plot. God is the best director!. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 29, 2023 12:23 am I want to add a very important detail of the film you must have been sleeping in friend. That is the imposition and take over of Palestine by Israel, and their homestead. If you choose to leave out important film clips, that is your choice but not everyone wants to see just the movie you present with occasional significant deletions.
Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Oct 29, 2023 12:39 am I want to add a very important detail of the film you must have been sleeping in friend. That is the imposition and take over of Palestine by Israel, and their homestead. If you choose to leave out important film clips, that is your choice but not everyone wants to see just the movie you present with occasional significant deletions. LOl, my brother, I think I was wide awake but that was another episode. In the other episode, Israel was the villain at first, then a spiral of revenge took place. The villain was alternatively Israel and Palestine, or better, their intransigent, extremist wings = terrorists. I would like to restrict the comments to the present installment since the situation coming to this has been clearly the fault of both parties. I would welcome the comments to all past episodes, but then it would become sooooo long! So many atrocities from both sides. I can recommend you a very good podcast on that though. Hours of podcast from an unbiased source, very interesting. My further comment is this. let's say your father killed a member of my family in the past. After some time, I choose to kill and torture you to right the wrong. Am I justified in doing this? Probably not, according to all western laws and religions and philosophies. Surely, according to Hindu philosophy, I would go straight to the astral hells and reap very bad karma. I can understand how deranged people can become in the situation the Palestinians are. Does this justify to murder other innocent people, civilians on top of that? No, I would say, No, Yogananda and all the Gurus would say. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 29, 2023 08:00 pm The cosmic drama unfolding.
God sent perfect souls forth to behave like immortals- - desireless, and happy- - while watching and acting in the moving pictures of earthly life. But, through proximity and ignorant behavior while performing in and watching the intricate dramas of earthly life, souls develop egoistic attachments to other actors and to certain scenes and conditions in the mundane moving pictures. Unless these desires are cast off before death, the soul must return to another body in the same earthly moving picture house in order to work out the desires born there. Immortal soul-children are sent to the movie house of life, both tragedies and comedies with unruffled equanimity. When these divine children can go back to God and say: “Father i enjoyed acting in and watching Thine earthly moving pictures, but I have no more desire for evanescent amusements,” they are no longer forced by their material desires to come back to Earth. ~ Paramahansa Yogananda SRF lesson 133 Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 31, 2023 03:19 am Yeah. So where is my popcorn?! Sorry we burnt it accidentally. Pop a batch; I heard this is a long movie. Please light on the salt and heavy on the diet butter. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: guest587 on Oct 31, 2023 05:24 am I agree with the mans reply in that link you shared, that we are supporting genocide. We were also told to shut up while the Uyghurs were suffering genocide at the hands of the Chinese government. That Netanyahu is calling for a blood bath, and quoting the bible as reference to prophecy- rejecting ceasefire, made me realize how little faith I put in the bible. I favor the mystics who say nature is the real bible. And I have always felt that God teaches us personally, so we are not made dependent on what is written by man. Because, as we can see, what is written by man can be used to justify personal vendettas and prolong suffering. The true spirit is not bound to the bible. If anything I can't help but think holy text are written with an element of corruption. And people are feeling spiritually obligated to their sacred text, even if that means blindly following darkness. Unfortunately. For this reason I will always favor the inner-seeking and intuitive living. It's about the personal relationship with God, which is unique as it is universal.
I do not support Israel's killing spree, I do not support War- period. No side is the "good guy." Both sides have their reasoning, both reject peace and both are killing civilians and livestock. There is nothing new about what is happening, and nothing new about the hyper-politicizing, hyper-polarization baiting the world into taking sides participating in ways that mean encroaching on everyone's sovereignty- all that is happening now is a tragedy and is intentionally inciteful so as to force participation moving humanity closer to the goal post set by the would-be players looking to maintain or erect a sense of authority in the new age. ...I wonder if we'll be entering martial law? I also wonder why some genocides are okay, while others aren't. No genocide is okay. But the people who believe that are not the people in power, not the people funding what's happening. Some genocides never make the news, do not get the same attention, and some genocides are looked at with contempt. I think it's fair to say the powers that be do not represent the will of the people. I also think taking sides like, "Russia is evil- Zelensky is a hero!" "Israel is the holy land! Palestine needs to surrender and all of this would stop!" It's so one-dimensional... I am really impressed by the Jewish people coming together and saying free Palestine. That is a noble, human quality worthy of discussion. That they are being arrested for protesting war shows the contrast between the will of the people and the authoritarian reality we find ourselves in. The powers that be, do not care for peace- do not care for human life. I am noticing it is often the outspoken, often moral boasting "leaders" who are the biggest offenders, committing crimes against humanity. They say what they are doing is right, and if there is any opposition... Well, the opposition is wrong. It's the same thing, over and over again... and there is almost always an ulterior motif. We the people, are continually lied to. And there is no delight taken in the killing or raping of innocence. I do not enjoy this, "film" you guys. This is heartbreaking. And slavery still exist today. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 01, 2023 12:33 am I like the plot of this film. There is a villain, Hamas, who erupts in extremely cruel killing sprees. The villain uses homes and hospitals where its own people dwell and is cured, as military bases, so they think They'll deter the enemy from hitting. Also, from luxury hotels in Quatar, the leaders of this movement incite their people, the civilians, to shed their own blood for the cause.
This absurd villainous character has an incredible talent for propaganda. He manages to have followers who will protest in the streets and will do sit-ins and get arrested because they would like that Israel would stop the hits and let the villains unscathed, free to plot their next killing spree, where boys, girls, and children can be massacred at will. They just declared the Italian government an enemy, at the same time that the Italian government is sending a convoy of humanitarian aids to their people. Guys, if this was a series on Netflix, I would believe it to be the worst grotesque absurdity ever conceived. Instead, I'm discovering that God's drama can go to the next level of absurdity. I don't eat popcorn while watching but maybe I'm going to start right now. No salt, like Steve suggests, and rigorously vegan butter. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: guest587 on Nov 02, 2023 04:41 pm Is it possible to theorize what's happening with Israel and Palestine, from a spiritual perspective, using the following excerpts:
Quote Some say, 'I have loved dearly once, but I was disappointed.' It is as if a man were to say, 'I dug in the earth, but when the mud came, I was disappointed.' It is true that mud came; but with patience, he will reach the water one day. Only patience can endure. Only endurance produces greatness. from https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/X/X_6.htm What, generally, man knows about love is the give and take:' if you give me twelve pence, I will give you a shilling.' For as long as one sees life in the form of business, in the form of give and take, he does not know love, and it is a great pity, when, after knowing something of love, the heart has turned cold and bitter. And what reason is there? The reason is this, that when one digs the ground one must dig until the water comes. But if one digs halfway, then there is no water, there is mud. But what is love? Love is a continual sacrifice. And what does sacrifice mean? Sacrifice means forgetting of the self. ~~~ "Religious Gathekas, #43, The Religion of the Heart", by Hazrat Inayat Khan (unpublished) Retribution stems from ideas of satisfying the self. It's the give and take attitude described above. At the same time, there is nothing *wrong* with putting your own nation and your nations people first. Or is there? It's a tricky predicament. One the one hand, you have truly nefarious characters leading sheep into slaughter under the illusion of beneficence... Clear examples- medical tyranny, embracing mental illness, placing people in positions of power in the name of equity, not because their skill set is there. Even using global warming as a front for further tyrannical dictates. On the other hand, you have ignorant leaders who think putting their nation above others means getting ahead, not realizing that the suffering felt around the world belongs to one being and is the cause of much hatred and violence. Both seem to end in slavery- one is just more sophisticated than the other. It's like having kind rulers but rulers nonetheless who see people as chattel and are not afraid to cull the herd while maintaining a luxurious life themselves. Both keep a caste system and disparity alive. What does Palestine want, for this to have started? What does Israel want, for this to have started? How can we minimize conflict, and recognize the rights of Gods people as belonging to all life on this planet? Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 03, 2023 12:02 am Yes, nobody is talking about reconciliation. Hamas was right in cruelly murdering Israels because Israel previously murdered Palestinians, and this because of a previous massacre by Palestinians, occurred after a massacre by Israelis. In this context, Israel is right in taking retribution trying to obliterate the enemy.
Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 03, 2023 12:19 am Alongside with this article, I already posted in another thread (https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/beyond-trafficking-and-slavery/what-gives-israel-the-right-to-annihilate-gaza/). I guess we've run out of popcorn all together?! ::) Uwe, I couldn't find the other thread, so my comments here. Mr. Turk, lawyer in human rights for more than three decades..... I can understand his anguish but, really, my analytical mind cannot but classify him as politically very biased or personally extremely naive. He seems to ignore (or deliberately chose to ignore?) many aspects like Hamas making shields of Palestinian children, The western society providing billions of dollars of humanitarian aids, derouted by Hamas to build up weapons and dig tunnels. He compares the present military operation in Gaza to the genocide of the Tutsi, but if there is an attempted genocide here it is Hamas who is trying to do its best, emulating Hitler's ambitions. He harshly criticizes the Israeli retaliation, calling it an attack, totally ignoring what caused this attack, maybe he didn't watch the news on the 7th of October? My analytical self has decided that Mr. Turk should go back to the 1st grade and study history, regardless of his being a lawyer. I have decided that Mr. turk constitutes a weird, maybe grotesque character in the cosmic film. Am I analyzing too much? Maybe. Perhaps I should relax and eat more popcorn. Or better peanuts and Almonds, hazelnuts, walnuts and so on... Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 03, 2023 09:22 am Mccoy I have difficulty following your last post . What thread are you looking for here? I understand your question but hope you recognize that unlike you i explicitly told you what thread I wanted to find when it pertained to your views. From what I ascertained, you did not describe what you are referring to here. I also am somewhat confused by your statement that perhaps some one didn’t read the news. Did someone else not read all the information we have provided here about the forced occupation and settlements in Gaza and Palestine by Israel that were also a historical fact? How is that included in your analysis of the so called facts and rendition of history (‘that someone chose to deliberately ignore’).
quote author=mccoy link=topic=8808.msg43780#msg43780 date=1698959985] Alongside with this article, I already posted in another thread (https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/beyond-trafficking-and-slavery/what-gives-israel-the-right-to-annihilate-gaza/). I guess we've run out of popcorn all together?! ::) Uwe, I couldn't find the other thread, so my comments here. Mr. Turk, lawyer in human rights for more than three decades..... I can understand his anguish but, really, my analytical mind cannot but classify him as politically very biased or personally extremely naive. He seems to ignore (or deliberately chose to ignore?) many aspects like Hamas making shields of Palestinian children, The western society providing billions of dollars of humanitarian aids, derouted by Hamas to build up weapons and dig tunnels. He compares the present military operation in Gaza to the genocide of the Tutsi, but if there is an attempted genocide here it is Hamas who is trying to do its best, emulating Hitler's ambitions. He harshly criticizes the Israeli retaliation, calling it an attack, totally ignoring what caused this attack, maybe he didn't watch the news on the 7th of October? My analytical self has decided that Mr. Turk should go back to the 1st grade and study history, regardless of his being a lawyer. I have decided that Mr. turk constitutes a weird, maybe grotesque character in the cosmic film. Am I analyzing too much? Maybe. Perhaps I should relax and eat more popcorn. Or better peanuts and Almonds, hazelnuts, walnuts and so on... [/quote] Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 03, 2023 09:53 am Yes, nobody is talking about reconciliation. Hamas was right in cruelly murdering Israels because Israel previously murdered Palestinians, and this because of a previous massacre by Palestinians, occurred after a massacre by Israelis. In this context, Israel is right in taking retribution trying to obliterate the enemy. Mccoy i see your point about a tit for a tat, however the reason for such retribution you offer does not add up to me. It ignores the fact that land was forcefully taken by Israel that was not theirs. If I came to Italy and plowed down your house and property and put up a subdivision for the poor how would you and your family react? Would you set up talks about reconciliation? Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 03, 2023 03:47 pm Mccoy i see your point about a tit for a tat, however the reason for such retribution you offer does not add up to me. It ignores the fact that land was forcefully taken by Israel that was not theirs. If I came to Italy and plowed down your house and property and put up a subdivision for the poor how would you and your family react? Would you set up talks about reconciliation? Steve, as spiritual individuals we should always prioritize reconciliation and forgiveness, not revenge. Reconciliation is not a novelty in history, for example in India after the British occupation, after the bloody war in Liberia and more, there was goodwill from both sides. To answer more directly to your question, spiritually speaking, what I would do in the place of Palestinians is to avoid all acts of terrorism, which are totally unacceptable always and especially so in this Dwapara age. I would support political groups which struggle for peace and reconciliation and for the assertion of human and civil rights. I would unceasingly make appeals to foreign countries against breach of rights. I would put myself at peace eventually, because if my karma is that of loosing my land and being confined into a smaller territory, I should accept it and avoid creating more karma which would end up in destruction and doom. I studied the history of the Zionist take-up of Palestinian lands. It is sad. What was saddest, was that murder and killings soon erupted across the land. From both parties. This created an avalanche of bad karma which ended up in the present ruinous situation. From the above historical standpoint, both parties are to be blamed for the present war. From the standpoint of very recent events, there has been clearly a party (Hamas) that wanted to create a new enlarged war against Israel, with the help of Iran, Hezbollah and the Sciite Muslims. So far they didn't succeed. The film is still unfolding though. https://www.jns.org/hamas-leaders-feel-betrayed-by-iran-and-hezbollah/ Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 03, 2023 05:30 pm Elon Musk told UK prime minister Rishi Sunak there “will come a point where no job is needed” as the billionaire entrepreneur described artificial intelligence as the “most disruptive force in history” in a wide-ranging conversation. Musk co-founded OpenAI in 2015 but left several years later over clashes over AI safety. He launched his own AI company, xAI, in July. The new company snapped up high-profile hires in the field, with a mission to “understand the true nature of the universe” and a focus on building machines with human-level intelligence, known as artificial general intelligence, or AGI Mccoy and anyone interested; can you imagine why I would have included this information on this thread as a response? Quoted from ‘Financial Times’ Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: guest587 on Nov 03, 2023 07:45 pm Despite this, "I was wronged so I must wrong you" attitude- someone or something still benefits. I can think of the military industrial complex for one. Investment companies and banks for another.
Quote As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow. Quote Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations. ~President Eisenhower Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. The five connecting narratives work to merge corporation and state in the new age, "blurring the line between elected and unelected decision making over the future of humanity." https://sociable.co/technology/the-great-reset-the-great-narrative-programming-people-comply-unelected-globalist/ “A grand narrative functions to legitimize power, authority, and social customs” ~ Klaus Schwab Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 03, 2023 09:19 pm [quote author=Jitendra Hydonus link=topic=8808.msg43785#msg43785 date=1699021845
... Mccoy and anyone interested; can you imagine why I would have included this information on this thread as a response? [/quote] Steve, actually, no, I'm missing the link Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 03, 2023 10:19 pm [quote author=Jitendra Hydonus link=topic=8808.msg43785#msg43785 date=1699021845 ... Mccoy and anyone interested; can you imagine why I would have included this information on this thread as a response? Quote Steve, actually, no, I'm missing the link… mccoy Mccoy I recognize your post as having some valid points. But I do not see how there will possibly be reconciliation until we come to a higher age when selfish people like Elon Musk recognize they are not so important to be apart of a few people who own more than 50% of the wealth of a country like the United States. It is very clear to me that capitalism has not worked as a form of government and one day there will come a time that the general population will recognize that nothing is as important as all of our citizens, not just the ones who have most of the wealth and power. Those who have supposedly gained that position by work. Since work itself will become obsolete. Actually we as the general population are enabling these selfish people to create horrible karma for themselves by allowing them so much that others starve and fight for a place to live like the Palestinians are doing today; and that is “the link”. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 03, 2023 10:54 pm ... Actually we as the general population are enabling these selfish people to create horrible karma for themselves by allowing them so much that others starve and fight for a place to live like the Palestinians are doing today; and that is “the link”. Ah, OK, thanks for the elucidation, although I dont' know if such a direct link can be envisaged clearly. Personally, presently I regret not to be able to share your criticism about Elon Musk, I admit though I do not know very, very much about him, so I cannot express an articulated opinion about him. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 04, 2023 01:37 am ... Actually we as the general population are enabling these selfish people to create horrible karma for themselves by allowing them so much that others starve and fight for a place to live like the Palestinians are doing today; and that is “the link”. Ah, OK, thanks for the elucidation, although I dont' know if such a direct link can be envisaged clearly. Personally, presently I regret not to be able to share your criticism about Elon Musk, I admit though I do not know very, very much about him, so I cannot express an articulated opinion about him. Not very many people see the connection between their greed, vibrational frequency, apathy and world conditions and conflicts. If they did this world would be completely different! Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: guest587 on Nov 08, 2023 09:26 pm I thought this was well written,
Quote Dogma is a belief doctrine dictated by a church. And if you are born into a dogmatic family, then you are raised to believe their dogma. As a result, you will see all conflicting religious dogma as evil, you will be divided and conquered. The main religions used to divide and conquer mankind are the three Abrahamic religions. Judaic dogma teaches the Jew that they are a member of the chosen race destined to rule over everyone else as a teacher of god’s law. Islamic dogma teaches that all of mankind must somehow submit to Islam. And while there are reportedly forty thousand different denominations of Christianity, most Christian dogma teaches that Christian’s will live in paradise for eternity while everyone else burns in hell. Quote Many people raised in these religions have been able to personally connect with god and liberate themselves from the divisive dogma. But many others are stuck in group-mind-think. They conflate holy scripture and a priest class with god and put their faith in a doctrine written by man. It has become the ultimate form of mind control and so whoever controls the holy land, controls the world. In Revelation 2:9 of the King James Bible it warns of, “the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” We are beginning to see this today with the Zionists, who say they are Jews, and are not. With the help of the United Nations, the British Crown, the Vatican, the NAZIs, and the Rothschild banking dynasty, the land formally known as Palestine was conquered with bloodshed, lies, and bureaucracy. The Zionists, who claim to be secular, declared the land to be Israel, home of the Jews and successfully thrust the once thriving Middle East back into the Middle Ages. The relatively peaceful region was soon transformed into an unending war zone. Decades of US war crimes radicalized many of the Muslim population into becoming terrorists. Quote Certain radical sects of Judaism and Christianity believe that two-thirds of the Jews must perish. It appears as if the Zionists created Israel as a sacrificial altar to make this happen. Repeating the lesser-magic mantra of what they want to make manifest. https://www.infowars.com/posts/religious-mind-control-and-the-impending-holy-war/Today we are seeing Zionists begging for genocide. Calling out to “Kill them all” and gas-lighting us into thinking there never was a Palestine, while saying we should “Flatten it” and turn it into “Glass” We are seeing Christian pastors cheer for mass murder. Pastors saying that “Israel should make the Gaza Strip a parking lot.” And several Evangelical pastors who speak as if Christ will only return if we provide him the blood sacrifice taught in their extreme dogma. As Israel pushes forward, radicalized young Muslim men who have had their homes destroyed by American bombs are now spread throughout Western nations. The stage is set for the holy war and many are willing to murder in the name of their dogmatic beliefs. Extremists of all three religions are being used by the hidden hand to foment this war, while the Catholic church has been making preparations for a one-world-religion solution. Divided we will be conquered. But united we could learn to live as one. In peace. God help us all. You don't have to agree with everything written here, but I think I align with Greg Reese's attitude that dogmatic beliefs are the cause of much division- despite it all people have been able to liberate themselves by way of personal connection and personal belief with God. Still, there are those who cling to what is written by man with a militant fervor and condemn others in their ignorance. I guess this is just another indicator of our consciousness at this time. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 08, 2023 10:46 pm This is a lucid description of the situation by Jordan Peterson (interviewed by Piers Morgan), whom I admire for his logical rigor, articulate speech and religious background. The first 10 minutes are very explanatory but it is well worth to listen to the whole interview. I didn't know that the protests of Harvard students and professors have backlashed against them. Pretty heavily.
Peterson's thesis (which is shared by many analysts I heard) is that the attack from Hamas was spurred by Iran, in order to jeopardize the Abraham accords for peace. The Palestinians populace in this situation has become 'cannon fodder'. Peterson also shares the idea of an extremely antisemitic Hamas organization, which supports the same ideology the nazis supported (extermination of jews everywhere). Peterson offers a rational narrative that is devoid of ideological biases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s-22sMkYAs Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 18, 2023 02:30 pm mccoy you have brought up the Abraham peace accords many times as some important agreement that was successfully implemented by the U.S. and lauded the superficial peace plans of Fuhrer Trumps administration. Let us look at that document here Brother;
The Abraham Accords Declaration: We, the undersigned, recognize the importance ofmaintaining and strengthening peace in the Middle East and around the world based on mutual understanding and coexistence, as well as respect for human dignity and freedom, including religious freedom. We encourage efforts to promote interfaith and intercultural dialogue to advance a culture of peace among the three Abrahamic religions and all humanity. We believe that the best way to address challenges is through cooperation and dialogue and that developing friendly relations among States advances the interests of lasting peace in the Middle East and around the world. We seek tolerance and respect for every person in order to make this world a place where all can enjoy a life of dignity and hope, no matter their race, faith or ethnicity. We support science, art, medicine, and commerce to inspire humankind, maximize human potential and bring nations closer together. We seek to end radicalization and conflict to provide all children a better future. We pursue a vision of peace, security, and prosperity in the Middle East and around the world. In this spirit, we warmly welcome and are encouraged by the progress already made in establishing diplomatic relations between Israel and its neighbors in the region under the principles of the Abraham Accords. We are encouraged by the ongoing effmis to consolidate and expand such friendly relations based on shared interests and a shared commitment to a better future. https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Abraham-Accords-signed-FINAL-15-Sept-2020-508-1.pdf The document above looks worthless to me in its attempt at solving practical matters. Am I missing something? For instance; where does it address the arrogance of the Trump administration in setting up a new capital of Israel on Palestinian land? Where does it address all the land pilfered by Israel from Palestine to build permanent homes for Israel? Is it any wonder that the Arab world would not abide by such a document ? I ask these simple questions. Brother mccoy; it is not my intention to discredit your views because I may be wrong, but rather to understand your thoughts and views about a man that has presumably taken part in any successful peace plans for the the United States or any country in the world for that matter. He is a criminal and committed treason against democracy in the United States, an insurrection and is wanted now by his own government for 90 felonies. His whole term was an utter failure 😞 to encourage democracy and compassion for the freedom loving and vulnerable people around the world. Rather, it encouraged dictatorship and spiritual oppression in every corner of our planet and encouraged the wanton destruction of the planet’s ecosystem. At least Hitler loved his dog. Fuhrer Trump has loved nothing but himself and his jaded views that he refuses to acknowledge in any shape or form. Your support and spiritual insights are welcome always at this site, whether they are in agreement with mine or not. I understand your deep spiritual beliefs and journey…. And know that despite any differences we share you will be a devoted chela of our Gurus and Masters. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 19, 2023 07:03 pm Steve, the accords were just a first step of an agreement which has never been attempted before. The issues you cite were probably in schedule, before this recent war. The Arab world did like the accords. Only Iran did not want the accords because they are shites, enemies of the Sunnites Arabs, the majority, and archenemies of Israel. This is not only my view but the view of many journalists and analysts here.
The accords have not been achieved personally by Trump, but by his administration. To be later stalled by the Biden administration for political reasons. Trump: not a spiritual man for sure, but a businessman. So, he chose people who were successful businessmen or technicians to implement his ideas. The accords have been, by words of all people here in Italy (third-party, neutral observers), a masterpiece of diplomacy started by the Trump administration and stalled for obscure reasons by the Biden administration. I still don't know why you cannot acknowledge the good things started by Trump. He might have been obnoxious, detestable, stubborn until the end, but not everything he did was bad. Not my opinion, again, the opinion of most analysts in a context not tainted by ideology. Title: “A horror show” ~ Attorney general Barr under Fuhrer Trump Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 19, 2023 11:23 pm Steve, the accords were just a first step of an agreement which has never been attempted before. The issues you cite were probably in schedule, before this recent war. The Arab world did like the accords. Only Iran did not want the accords because they are shites, enemies of the Sunnites Arabs, the majority, and archenemies of Israel. This is not only my view but the view of many journalists and analysts here. The accords have not been achieved personally by Trump, but by his administration. To be later stalled by the Biden administration for political reasons. Trump: not a spiritual man for sure, but a businessman. So, he chose people who were successful businessmen or technicians to implement his ideas. The accords have been, by words of all people here in Italy (third-party, neutral observers), a masterpiece of diplomacy started by the Trump administration and stalled for obscure reasons by the Biden administration. I still don't know why you cannot acknowledge the good things started by Trump. He might have been obnoxious, detestable, stubborn until the end, but not everything he did was bad. Not my opinion, again, the opinion of most analysts in a context not tainted by ideology. mccoy it is because he (Trump) can not admit being wrong or having made any moral and legal mistakes. He continues to believe he won and he is the legitimate president. He lives his own reality apart from any reality that even his administration believed in. In fact he either fired, or most of his staff left him with much criticism of his actions, policies and practices. Please remember, even Adolph Hitler loved his dog. And I’m sure Trump enjoyed sexually assaulting and misusing women which he was accused of and had to pay (to keep them quiet) many times. Not my opinion tainted by ideology but that of many women who have stepped forward saying they were rapped by him. I’m sure there were women that liked his abuse, or at least his money. But even that gets old with time. Besides Brother mccoy with your moral indignation about some other person we are both familiar with, I’m surprised that ideology means anything and Trumps depraved moral sentiments would make you flinch. There’s a difference between consensual sex and forced sex that people like the Fuhrer get away with only because of the abuse of money and power. To take this talk a step further, we should look at this pathetic example of a patriot even be negotiating anything for this country that remotely sounds like anyone’s military. Here is a man who when it came to being drafted to fight for America: Trump made up injury to dodge Vietnam service, his former lawyer testified, and when asked his famous answer; “Would you want a president dumb enough to be drafted?” He also remarked about a Viet Nam war hero; Trump mocked McCain’s status as a war hero, stating that “I like people who were not captured.” Since you brought up Trump’s administration… let us see just what one of the ones that negotiated many of the Fuhrer’s agendas had to say about him: “God help us”…. Never forget what Trump has said about veterans Fishkill, N.Y.: John Kelly (photo), four-star Marine general and Donald Trump’s former chief of staff, recently confirmed what had been widely reported and multi-sourced — that Trump has open contempt for veterans, and by extension, active-duty military personnel. It should surprise no one that Trump is the same liar, self-promoter and hypocrite in dealing with veterans as he is with any other group. He sees veterans as a voting box to easily check off by claiming he’s the best patriot ever! He is a seditious autocrat and veterans who pay attention know that. Kelly confirmed that Trump refused to attend the memorial service for Marines killed at Belleau Wood during World War I. They were “losers,” and besides, it was raining. Late Sen. John McCain ( decorated as a wear hero) was a “loser” for becoming a POW in Vietnam while former President George H.W. Bush was a “loser” for being shot down in World War II. Trump attacked the valorous reputations earned in combat in Vietnam of Marine and Army company commanders. He recently suggested the execution of the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Trump ordered that severely wounded veterans be barred from award ceremonies because “who wants to see that?” and “they make me look bad.” Samuel Johnson wrote that “patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” Trump is a fake patriot who denigrates real ones. Kelly heard and remembered all of Trump’s contempt for veterans and has confirmed it. His last words in an interview about Trump and the nation were “God help us.” Gerald Browne Attorney General Barr for Trump… Barr has since said Trump is unfit to serve as president in 2024, even calling his thinking a “horror show” at an event earlier this year. “If you believe in his policies, what he’s advertising is his policies, he’s the last person who could actually execute them and achieve them,” Barr said in May during a City Club of Cleveland luncheon. “He does not have the discipline, he does not have the ability for strategic thinking and linear thinking or setting priorities or how to get things done in the system.” Bill Barr Attorney general for the Fuhrer The Earth’s temperature briefly rose above a crucial threshold that scientists have been warning for decades could have catastrophic and irreversible impacts on the planet and its ecosystems, data shared by a prominent climate scientist shows. For the first time, the global average temperature on Friday last week was more than 2 degrees Celsius hotter than levels before industrialization, according to preliminary data shared on X by Samantha Burgess, deputy director of the Copernicus Climate Change Service, based in Europe. ‘Climate change is a hoax of the Chinese government’ ~ Fuhrer Trump After a three-year delay, the US has become the first nation in the world to formally withdraw from the Paris climate agreement. President Trump announced the move in June 2017, but UN regulations meant that his decision only takes effect today, the day after the US election. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54797743#Overview https://www.abc57.com/news/scientists-sound-the-alarm-as-the-world-briefly-smashes-through-2-degree-warming-limit-for-the-first-time Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 20, 2023 10:12 pm Steve, do you realize that you have almost become a slave of Mr. Trump? Every time Trump is mentioned, you cannot but rise a huge barrage of criticism. You cannot abstain from this compulsion. Isn't that a form of mental slavery?
Amidst the well-known grotesqueries, he must have done something good, statistically, even if by error. By the way, his misbehavior with ladies is well known, but, AFAIK, even John Kennedy when away from his wife asked his NSA agents to take whores to him at night. Weird but true. He is regarded as one of the greatest American presidents regardless. May be you 'll have the patience to listen to this podcast, one of the senior advisers of Trump, the one who proposed the Abraham Accords. Maybe not, but it is undeniable that Trump's administration spawned some good things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co_MeKSnyAo&t=17s Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 21, 2023 12:01 am Trump the anti-war president was always a myth (https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2021/01/20/trump-the-anti-war-president-was-always-a-myth/) Thanks so much UWE. The link was appreciated and expresses my viewpoint much better than it appears I have myself. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 21, 2023 01:27 am It appears to be a walk on the razor's edge, in general. While much of the western population doesn't feel heard anymore by their rulers, many of the so-called extreme parties (left or right) are gaining political weight. It is a classical scheme that's taking place all around the globe right now. Look at Argentina today. Yet I think, Trump might have ended the war in Ukraine if he were president. Despite all his shortcomings I still believe he could have done it. As for his foreign policies he's been less to blame for the divisive state of the international world than the current neocon-current. Multi-polarity, wars, etc. ... Perhaps so but at what loss to the Ukrainian people? Chamberlain also delayed fighting Hitler but ultimately Churchill had to fight the dictator. In the same way problems with Putin will not end until he is terminated. Such mindsets as neo con and left and right ideological persuasions are breaking down today. It is much harder to pigeon hole people. The term multi polarity has more of a meaning in international affairs; but I see that as a temporary phenomenon… im not a fortune 🔮 teller of world affairs… a Nostradamus of sorts. I’m just attempting to make sense of it and attempting to promote a view that keeps what I see as transparent evil out of American Democracy which is explicit in the outer behavior of Fuhrer Trump. There is no democracy in this autocrat. And I have never veered from that view since his days as a so called actor, in which he attempted to act out as a President as well. I’m more of the view of Paramahansa Yogananda when he stated that one day there would be a United States of the world. I definitely do not think he meant by that, we would have our ( United States ) rule the world but rather countries would grip together like NATO today and defend one another against tyranny and oppression by dictatorship. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 22, 2023 06:04 pm Back to the plot of this cosmic TV series...
A few analysts and military people here were pretty skeptic about Israel's military capabilities in an urban environment. Yet, they surprisingly advanced very rapidly and took hold of most enemy positions. No big traps, just a few casualties. A good plot always hides a few surprises. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 23, 2023 02:36 am (https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/INTERACTIVE-Cumulative-explosive-power-of-Israeli-bombs-dropped-on-Gaza-1699530523.png?w=770&quality=80) (Right-click to open image in new, larger browser tab or window.) UWE thanks for informing us of just how much devastation the Israeli military has proportedly inflicted on Palestine. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 23, 2023 11:19 pm I try not to be influenced by a film, but I see Hamas as the villain of the cosmic film (with reasoned logic), and Hamas attracted a destructive response from its enemy, Israel.
Was the devastation beyond proportion? I think not, it was, in the deranged logic of war and survival, proportionate, or maybe it was below proportion. Journalists in Europe have been invited to Israelian embassies were videos of the cruelties of the HAmas attacks on civilians were showed. Many scenes from the webcams worn by terrorists. One of the Italian journalists, after the private show, told: "I saw the abyss". We won't see the cruelties in the media. In Italy (and Europe, I think) it is forbidden to show scenes of torture, cruelties and pornography. So, back on the cumulative explosive power of Israeli bombs dropped on Gaza, I see it as a natural reaction, aimed at the destruction of the enemies bases, which were purposedly built under schools, hospitals, and private homes. Again, in this cosmic plot, Israeli's reaction does not seem too harsh and disproportionate to me. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Nov 23, 2023 11:22 pm https://nypost.com/2023/11/09/opinion/washington-post-made-huge-mistake-in-killing-hamas-cartoon/
The cartoon on the HAmas leader is very grotesque but truthful. He blames Israel for the attacks on Palestinians, but he bound over his body Palestinian women and babies as human shields. A masterpiece of satyre. The Washington Post made a huge mistake in killing this cartoon By Post Editorial Board Published Nov. 9, 2023, 4:38 p.m. ET (https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/WPCARTOON.jpg) NOT THIS POST: The Washington Post has apologized (in full cringe mode) over the cartoon above, which the paper published Wednesday. But the apology is the mistake, not the publication. In it, artist Michael Ramirez makes a powerful point about what’s really going on in Gaza: Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields while blaming Israel for the result. Indeed, the terrorists savor every innocent killed as Israel moves to eliminate the terrorist group that slaughtered roughly 1,400 of its citizens, along with mass rapes and the kidnapping of 200-plus hostages it still holds — and is also using as human shields. Opinion editor David Shipley says the cartoon “was seen by many readers as racist” — though the drawing is simply, and plainly, a caricature of an actual Hamas spokesman who celebrated the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks across southern Israel. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 25, 2023 04:21 pm Mccoy
I appreciate your satire and noticed it upon our conversation on the phone (too bad such international conversations are costly.) Large newspapers -like the Washington Post - are constantly being reminded of the offenses of bad taste they commit in their journalism and cartoon strips- In our case, your view point can be seen as one which easily could have been an Israeli soldier with missiles and bombs strapped all over the soldier, marked in small print; ‘Courtesy from the U.S. and it’s Allies to be used with the intention of creating more real-estate for Israeli citizens.’ After all; the smaller the print the less we are likely to be implicated in provoking the war; Right? We may have to respond with; ‘Never said those here at the Portal are free of bad taste in our opinions and humor’. With a reminder from the portal to Inhale the good shit and exhale 😮💨 the bullshit. As a living reminder to watch are attitudes while practicing meditation and our mantras. (https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/WPCARTOON.jpg) NOT THIS POST: The Washington Post has apologized (in full cringe mode) over the cartoon above, which the paper published Wednesday. But the apology is the mistake, not the publication. In it, artist Michael Ramirez makes a powerful point about what’s really going on in Gaza: Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields while blaming Israel for the result. Indeed, the terrorists savor every innocent killed as Israel moves to eliminate the terrorist group that slaughtered roughly 1,400 of its citizens, along with mass rapes and the kidnapping of 200-plus hostages it still holds — and is also using as human shields. Opinion editor David Shipley says the cartoon “was seen by many readers as racist” — though the drawing is simply, and plainly, a caricature of an actual Hamas spokesman who celebrated the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks across southern Israel. ~ opinions shared by our sardonic administration Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Dec 09, 2023 02:39 pm Decrying a "spiralling humanitarian nightmare", U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres declared that nowhere in Gaza was safe for civilians, hours before the U.S. vetoed a Security Council resolution backed by the vast majority of its members calling for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza.
The vote left Washington diplomatically isolated on the 15-member council. Thirteen members voted in favor of the draft resolution put forward by the United Arab Emirates, while Britain abstained. ~Reuters I believe this only shows a continued hard and non compassionate view the Israelis have taken towards anyone defying their religion that dates back to the crucifixion of Christ. And therefore it is attracting a common vibration from Arab religious people of the same fanatical attitudes. The U.S. is only attracting bad karma by supporting such fanatics. My take on it; the United Clones of Americops will only isolate itself further and attract to itself an isolationist leader if it continues its current trajectory. Dear Viewers, I want you to check out "The Old Testament and the Jewish Religion" on Spiritual Portal. To view it, please click this link: http://spiritualportal.net/index.php?topic=8901.0 A comment has also been added regarding this topic: Jewish religion Thanks, Jitendra Hydonus Israel pounded areas of the Gaza Strip with airstrikes and artillery on Saturday, a day after the United States vetoed a U.N. resolution demanding an immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza. ~ the associated press What we see happening here, is a country so steeped in the Christian tradition it is unable to recognize the great hypocrisy of the Bible, in the minds of Christians today. Have they forgotten that it was the Christian religion itself, under the influence of the Jewish religion that murdered Jesus? In the Quran, Jesus is described as the Messiah (al-Masīḥ), miraculously born of a virgin, performing miracles, accompanied by his disciples, rejected by the Jewish religious establishment, but not as crucified or dying on the cross (nor resurrected), rather as miraculously saved by God and ascending into heaven. https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki It is not the Arabs that are against Jesus and his teachings but rather it is the Jews who murdered Jesus and continue to deny he was the Messiah. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: mccoy on Dec 10, 2023 12:01 am Considering the previous episode of this cosmic TV series, where the beastly demons from Hamas carried out deliberate and abysmal cruelties on the Israeli civilian population, including killing children in their cribs and raping and mutilating women in unspeakable ways; considering that such facts have been verified by visual documentation and independent journalists...
My opinion is that such bottomless hate constitutes an evident danger of future replication of such episodes. The Israelis can't by any means tolerate such overt danger. Hence, the decision to implement the total destruction of the Hamas organization and its leader appears utterly logical and justified. The civilian casualties are unavoidable. They might have been surely avoided had Hamas behaved in a honourable way, assaulting Israeli soldiers and not torturing and raping helpless women without a uniform. My bottom line, is that in this cosmic plot America and Israelis are surely not the rascals. And I also liked the surprise in the plot, that Israel could lead successfully a urban war, a thing that the analysts did not consider possible. Hamas is doomed, dragging down in its ruin the unfortunate Palestinian civilians. Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Dec 10, 2023 02:20 am Brother Mccoy
The Jewish religion is useless, unless it includes the forgiveness of Jesus. It shows no compassion as it exemplifies only the cruel laws of the Old Testament and no mercy. The Jewish religion is still waiting for its savior who has not only already come but the second coming has already manifested. Yogananda said, "In titling this work The Second Coming of Christ, I am not referring to a literal return of Jesus to earth. He came two thousand years ago and, after imparting a universal path to God's kingdom, was crucified and resurrected; his reappearance to the masses now is not necessary for the fulfillment of his teachings. What is necessary is for the cosmic wisdom and divine perception of Jesus to speak again through each one's own experience and understanding of the infinite Christ Consciousness that was incarnate in Jesus. That will be his true Second Coming." We have seen religions come and go through the eons, the Jewish religion is such a religion with no current relevancy to modern times, without the mercy of Christ, since they deny the fulfillment of the Old Testament in the new one and even the fulfillment of that belief in Paramahansa Yogananda’s teachings. Some things need to be completely destroyed to bring in the new, as long as the new is never recognized and continues it’s own illusions. Considering the previous episode of this cosmic TV series, where the beastly demons from Hamas carried out deliberate and abysmal cruelties on the Israeli civilian population, including killing children in their cribs and raping and mutilating women in unspeakable ways; considering that such facts have been verified by visual documentation and independent journalists... My opinion is that such bottomless hate constitutes an evident danger of future replication of such episodes. The Israelis can't by any means tolerate such overt danger. Hence, the decision to implement the total destruction of the Hamas organization and its leader appears utterly logical and justified. The civilian casualties are unavoidable. They might have been surely avoided had Hamas behaved in a honourable way, assaulting Israeli soldiers and not torturing and raping helpless women without a uniform. My bottom line, is that in this cosmic plot America and Israelis are surely not the rascals. And I also liked the surprise in the plot, that Israel could lead successfully a urban war, a thing that the analysts did not consider possible. Hamas is doomed, dragging down in its ruin the unfortunate Palestinian civilians. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. ~Mathew 5:7 Title: Re: Israel war = cosmic drama unfolding Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Jan 19, 2024 01:56 am Netanyahu tells US he opposes creation of Palestinian state after Gaza war
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