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I was curious what you guys think... If there are ever any examples throughout our history where Masters might have been tricked by philanthropists, politicians, or mislead even by their own foresight?
Like being given a glimpse of something, but having interpreted the vision wrong or not completely grasping the meaning?

Can a Master ever be wrong?

I think the question should be reversed when referring to Masters; can devotees be trusted to be right when contradicting a Masters advice?

Thanks for the question. I don't claim to be a devotee but can say plenty of students and teachers have been wrong.

What do you think? Are masters or avatars even capable of being wrong?

I think yes, masters can be wrong, like when Yogananda took Kryiananda as a disciple. That's my conclusion. Yogananda had his discrimination obfuscated by Satan himself.

There are more examples, like associating with traitors like Dhirananda and Nerode. Notwithstanding Sri Yukteswar's advise.

You are welcome with your opinions mccoy. I am very grateful to Kriyananda for placing a free version of the AOY on the internet and starting the communities the Master said were necessary for the future. My understanding is that he won most of the law suits in the legal battle with SRF.

That is just one example. Yet I see that you see things in total contrast mccoy. I have a different outlook. Not all life is black and white. And I’ve been told by monks at SRF that Judas was also a spiritually high human being who lived with the guilt of being responsible for the death of Jesus for many incarnations, but he was liberated in the last century.

Thank you Mccoy for answering the question plainly. I appreciate that.

It’s nice to have experiences with people who meet your needs. I’m happy to see that here and am grateful for the happiness of all our friends here.

It's nice to have different views otherwise our perception would not be challenged.

Kriyananda did some good things, I myself enjoyed very much my stay in Ananda, Nevada city, Como in Italy, Assisi in Italy. The fact is that the motive of his deeds were driven by Satan. The conclusion is that even the evil plots of Satan can produce something good. Conversely, even the good plots of the higher intelligences may have some negative outcome. This is planet earth. Perfection is impossible. Perfection makes dwelling on planet earth impossible. There are other planets which are just about perfect, like the Hyranialoka in the astral plane.

I also agree to disagree on Judas. He was sure highly evolved, but he had some negative traits which were leveraged by Satan. His role was fundamental in God's plot, but he had to pay karmically for having willingly accepted Satan's influence. A hefty karmic penance, then he was off the karmic hook and back to his previous lofty spiritual state. It sounds just about fair...

And what were  the motives of his deeds to support Paramahansa Yogananda’s works? What are the motives of his works to continue in the service of the Master despite a fringe group alway berating him and his organization? What is the motive of his work to the Autobiography of a Yogi online so like the BIBLE it is accessible to everyone, even those who may not be able to afford it? What is the motive of all his videos about Paramahansa Yogananda?

In fact I will go a step further and say I myself have seen that dark forces have been in my life. Does that mean that all my intentions here are marred forever? Or does it mean I am still attempting to take some of darkness out of my life and become enlightened? Am I doomed to be a tool of Satan because I continue to meditate and attempt to keep my mind on the Master and higher forces?

Aren’t we all under some energies of maya ( Satan if you like ) until we we ourselves become enlightened?

Miracles in Jesus' Name
…39“Do not stop him,” Jesus replied. “For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me. 40For whoever is not against us is for us. 41Indeed, if anyone gives you even a cup of water because you bear the name of Christ, truly I tell you, he will never lose his reward

I would like to add, if anyone is to incarnate here- a 3D system governed by nature/duality- then no doubt an action will be perceived as contradictory or wrong, even if it is the right one. Someone will do what they think is right, and another will say it was wrong.

Agreed. Eric, I also want you to know that I often change the photos above to reflect the new background. If you like the photos and comics above … I have no problem changing the background from snow to spring. LOL we had white outs the last few days in Michigan. Hope the weather has been enjoyable to you for outdoor meditation.

And what were  the motives of his deeds to support Paramahansa Yogananda’s works?

Because he was like a parasite, living off the teachings of the great masters and the elaborations of Paramahansa's work. A parasite has a survival interest in supporting its host. Anyway, I cannot see much support, that was more some kind of leverage of his short period as a disciple, neglecting his disastrous deed as a vice-president.

What are the motives of his works to continue in the service of the Master despite a fringe group alway berating him and his organization?

What were his motives pretending to be in the service of master, actually doing the opposite: pure narcissism mainly, a need of spiritual power, a need of revenge (for being expelled from SRF). Sure he didn't prove to be in the service of masters when he acted as a sexual predator in his village, it was a service to his own infalted ego and obscure, demonic desires.


In fact I will go a step further and say I myself have seen that dark forces have been in my life. Does that mean that all my intentions here are marred forever?
I have this reasoned impression that Kriyananda was an accomplice of dark forces well into his mature age. He has been a tool of Satan, with the aim to infiltrate the forces of evil into the SRF.

AOY online

AFAIK, it was available in the Gutenberg project, after the copyright expired, no need of the Ananda website.

Perhaps you know mccoy… I cannot say that I do and I have found it to be a risky business justifying or judging and evaluating the motives and actions of those people who have had a seemingly good affect on my personal life. There may be karmic repercussions.

I would add one important factor that Amma (a true Master) put in the equation; God’s Grace. An unpredictable phenomena that is rather arbitrary from a human standpoint. Although, in all predictions and events taking place in the world, including personal events, Amma advised to pray for God’s grace.

Sometimes, a mystic or a master, will say one thing and do another. As an instrument of God, sometimes the spontaneous and hard to reason behavior appears to satisfy a greater picture we are not able to comprehend. Maybe it makes sense later, maybe even the mystic or master does not know why they behave in a seemingly contradictory manner... But in the end, we can say it was Gods will.

God uses us as he sees fit. Masters and disciples, Saints and sinners...

Perhaps a wrong action, isn't necessarily wrong.

There may be particular reasons for a saint not to walk his talk, but generally speaking, I find that should be avoided. The enemies would take advantage to harshly criticize, and friends and disciples would be confounded. Unless, of course, there is a lesson behind that and it is explained in due time.

Hi mccoy, I apologize I'm just responding to this. I am in agreement with the latter of your opinion. I remember reading stories that a master or mystic might appear hypocritical because they are responding to something in a specific way, which usually involves a higher purpose. Like a lesson for the recipient, which would suggest answers come later to the confused disciple. As far as reputation is concerned, I believe those who are in deeper commune with God could care less. 

Thanks for the personal background brother. Although, I personally do not see the answer to the thread here, I appreciate the background! I also have felt blunt discipline at times. It quite often is displayed in outer confrontation and circumstances but I do not feel as though it creates any karma IF I do not react inappropriately. If I do or don’t respond in a way that behavior is not  appropriate to the situation, the consequences soon return in a different guise or situation to address the blemish in my mind and approach to the matter. So this is the benefit of having Guru and Master to discipline us in our sadhana.

Our Masters ever wrong? I will not give a definitive answer because I am not a guru. Although, I do think that the whole dichotomy of right and wrong shifts. Unenlightened human nature cannot accurately assess right and wrong so many lessons in life help us gain a different perspective on such ‘judgments’. We begin to see life beyond such moral values. What is right in one situation can be wrong in another. As an example that I think may make sense; Was Jesus right or wrong in his assessment of the character of Judas when he chose him as a disciple? Is it right to choose a friend that we know will betray us? When we ask questions like this I think we find our notion of whether a Master is right or wrong become limited in scope. And the answer, can be given but is it satisfactory from a human standpoint?

Yea sometimes people don’t like simple observations. It’s ok I’m ok with your interpretation of my comments. I’m not here to win a popularity contest 😂 cheers friend …you make me crack up. Thank God I don’t spend too much time reading into statements I’m just a bit of an old joke smoking a toke, skipping and dancing and watching the show. It gets exciting sometimes!

Eric guess nobody has a definitive answer to your questions. Sorry. We did find some other helpful insights along the way… 😊  Maybe 🤔 we would need a Master to ask and answer such questions. Otherwise we get answers with mistakes. Or is that also part of the drama played out by a true Master? Would we get a mistake for an answer? Maybe it’s ok to be wrong, as long as it is not being wrong against others?

Perhaps from a human perspective God makes mistakes, if that is so Gods Masters would also make mistakes. However, that would mean that nothing is perfect. And it is easy to have that view by seeing how people get along and what the world looks like.