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Thanks mccoy I would like to see that. If there indeed is no dual it puts many assertions of Paramahansa Yogananda, Sri Yukteswar and Babaji in question. I used to see Amma a lot before the pandemic. One of the main differences I found with her and the SRF gurus was that she accepted the old version of the ages… putting us squarely still in the Kali Yuga. It surprised me when I chatted with one of her most seen nuns as being with her. When I asked her about it and the difference between her version of the yugas and the followers of the SRF gurus, she excused Amma by saying she is a woman and ‘does not spend so much time with such calculations as perhaps men would.’ Most devotees of Amma consider her a true incarnation of divine mother. I have no question in my mind that both paths have given me some truly miraculous and healings and spiritual awakenings. I’m just so grateful to meet such spiritual beings even though there is yet many things I do not yet understand about either. As devotees we are still at quite an awe of everything they represent and manifest. Chalking up many points of discussion and possible conflict as points we have yet to understand in our awakening.

Steve, perhaps I've already told you previously, but Paramahansa Yogananda and the other gurus of the SRF lineage have provided me with wisdom, common sense, and practical suggestions, all things my earthly father was not able to do. They have been spiritual guides, fathers, and mentors to me. I owe them so much that my deepest respect and gratefulness will never wane.

When I was younger, whatever thing they wrote or said, that was absolutely true and undebatable. Now that I am more seasoned, I see some things with different eyes, maybe I developed some tiny wisdom and discrimination and knowledge which makes my thinking more independent, whereas my loyalty to the gurus remains unabated.

For instance, my belief is that even great avatars, when reincarnating, have to take up some mental and physical limitation inherent to their human form. Even if they express divine qualities.

You probably know that Yogananda made a few serious mistakes in judging people, more exactly some of his disciples who later betrayed him: Dyrananda, Nerode and last Kryiananda. He probably was not omniscient, or maybe Satan displayed all of his powers to obfuscate the discrimination of this great soul and try to jeopardize his worldly mission.

Last, Amma, I remember you encouraged me to meet her, but I never had a chance, I hope I'll be able to in the future.

We both look at life much differently in some ways in others quite the same. I do not see for instance Kriyananda as someone who betrayed the Master. In fact he did what the Master requested. He started small communIties and wrote a book about the need for them. The need to have people living together in the future to survive during hard times. If it were not for Kriyananda we would not be able to access the Autobiography free on line and quote it immediately. I really think his Ananda community has been very helpful for a spiritual community. Paramahansa Yogananda wanted that to happen. Not everyone lives in Monasteries.

In some very important ways, people who ‘betray’ Masters are necessary to their mission. How would Jesus have a history today if it were not for Judas? We also do not know the extent to which people who play a decisive role in their life are recognized and still they accept a ‘Judas’ as a follower. At the Last Supper Jesus revealed he knew who would betray him. Many times, I also heard that Judas was also liberated in his last incarnation on this earth. Do you you really think such people who made fateful mistakes with their Masters were not highly evolved souls to be with such people? Remember that Jesus also ‘knew’ that ‘Peter’ would deny him despite all his talk that he would not.

See You tube; Jesus of Nazareth part 40 if no link… marker 5:40 minute point till end.

https://youtu.be/YPQPJTc8eqE

See last entry first. (Part 40)

https://youtu.be/V2EvoVYC2jA

See you tube; Jesus of Nazareth part 41 Through the many perplexing events of our lives and the experiences we have with Masters, we often ‘think’ we may have them figured out. But then in the final analysis we find their words were said to help us understand ourselves and not them at all. Accept to recognize how much yet we have to learn and understand.

Steve, I understand your logic. I'm still thinking that the Judas example is different. This is, in brief, my thought.

1-In the case of Judas, the betrayal was part of Jesus' preordained mission.

2-In the case of Nerode, Dayananda and Kryiananda, the betrayals were not part of God's will to fulfill a dramatic and grand finale like in Jesus, rather they were plots of Satan to jeopardize Yogananda's mission in the west.

I understand very well why you are expounding the benefits of Kryiananda's work, but I know what happened behind the scenes. What drove K was not to fulfill an aspect of Yogananda's mission, but rather please his own immense ego.

I have a different view  ::) mccoy though I am not professing to be correct. Kriyananda could not have fulfilled certain goals that Paramahansa Yogananda had unless he was ‘booted’ out of the monastery. Nor perhaps would he have been able to fulfill perhaps some of his own personal desires in SRF.

Steve, you might be right. And what happened later, is that Kriyananda was tempted by the devil, and finally yielded to his big ego, and yielded even more to the lures of sex, to which he was not immune even when serving as the vice president of SRF. He was eventually found guilty of having been sort of a sex predator in his community.

What I criticize most about him though, is not his weaknesses, but the fact that he was a pathological liar, always ready to blame SRF for his flaws and aggrandize himself.

I used to be a fan of him, but after I realized his true demonic nature, I threw all of his books in the garbage.

Mccoy could the masters have sensed this in K but still ordain it as in your 1st instance? I wonder if they're all laughing it up behind the scenes- life after death?

Of course, we cannot exclude it.
My hypothesis that Yogananda's discrimination was deliberately obfuscated by Satan when taking K as a disciple is based upon the possible very serious consequences SRF might have incurred with Swami K. In other words, I believe that was a plot of Satan, only in part successful or, as Steve says, it ended up for the best anyhow.

Jesus knew of the betrayal that would lead to his crucifixion. He knew he would not only be betrayed but that it would lead to his Death in the material, 3D world. Jesus did not interfere in this process, he let Judas go on thinking his path was right- and ultimately, it was right for Jesus was reborn. This shows us there is a Divine Plan or a greater picture behind the drama. But not only that, it shows us that resigning ones Ego is a skill for the Masters. Even those who espouse spiritual views get caught in the ensnaring effects of Maya.

I'm learning the Truth is not something that can be put into words, we can try and come close... But we confuse the biases of our unique personality with Truth and we attach ourselves to roles that propel us further from Harmony. If we become obsessed with insisting that someone in our environment is spreading lies while thinking what we ourselves are defending is the truth, we are setting ourselves up for failure. Perhaps another incarnation is spent enslaved to 3D because we've failed to recognize a Greater Picture.

The biggest fallacy is in trying to force our will upon another, which interferes with the law of free will. God is able to communicate Truth in a way that does not interfere with ones free will. Spiritual Communion is personal and impersonal. It is secretive and it is right in your face. It is ultimately liberating, without the need for words. And, as recent events have shown, interfering with the law of free will creates much disharmony in us or around us. The Master recognizes this, they recognize it is more important to serve those in their immediate sphere than to preach Right and Wrong.

I have learned that we have become more about proving our personal views than serving the people around us and living in Love. Before we worry about the state of a nation, we need to be able to serve those in our communities. Our family, our friends.... It can be very difficult- especially when one spends many years with their family... And when we view life from a "me vs them" perspective... Sometimes we don't even recognize that we are viewing life in such a manner- but should this insight ever reach you... It is up to you to practice. Putting this understanding into practice is what differentiates Knowledge and Wisdom.


Resigning the Ego is no easy task, but even in the face of absolute oppression- liberation is possible. Jesus shows us resigning the Ego is more important than proving our personal beliefs.
 

Eric; I always read and to the best of my ability, attempted to understand your feelings in regards to the long time we have attempted to grow together spiritually speaking. People do come to a standstill or impasse in relationships at times and it is something I just express prayer with and as in meditation; continue to witness and observe while being patient with circumstances. Sometimes there is no immediate resolution to peoples differences. This is a phenomenon that I’ve discovered. I do not feel compelled or as though I am forcing issues on anyone. Right or wrong I may express my views that come in conflict with others. Yes someone may find they do not care to hear them or that they are somehow being forced to accept them. But if I have a different explanation does that make me wrong?

Regarding mccoy’s observations, I wonder about what he calls ‘yielding to the lures of sex.’ I think most of us have done that and yes that too is an expression of ego. Yet Paramahansa Yogananda expressed balance in such matters; not suppression. At times I discovered, from being around monastics, many leave the monastery over such matters. Sometimes willingly and at other times by request. Monastic demands are not for everyone. Sometimes it takes awhile for others to recognize this. Fortunately for me I did not choose to be a monastic this life time. I did not see that I was fit for that lifestyle.

Blame expressed by others , in my values is also a form of ego, yet at times we may express our values and they can be perceived as blame or needed discrimination on such matters. In such situations we often do not find resolution but rather two opposing views. In these matters I have found that people often lash out at one another. This too can be a form of ego. As Sri Yukteswar said ; ‘Anger is the manifestation of thwarted desires.’ So at times because of differences in values we are faced with not just the differences but rather our reactions to those differences being the spiritual test we have encountered.

That's the point. A person should choose with honesty. Swamy Kryiananda was clearly not apt for a monk's life, yet he decided to deceive himself and the others. Why? I can only guess. In the SRF, he was VP of a worldwide organization, outside he was no one at that time. Maybe.

He went on leading a life of deception, being eventually unmasked as things went too astray.

Yes mccoy, taking that a step further; most all of us live a life of deception at some level; believing this
life is real and we as bodies have reality as bodies here living out our desires. One of the monks at SRF (I think it was Turiyananda) once told me that having a material body here is proof of desires. There would be no such body without the desire that created it. Thus you have Masters who leave no foot prints or shadows when they walk. They are free of the body that they are perceived to have and as Lahiri Mahasaya did and Babaji; disappear as they wish. Or reappear as they wish as Jesus did to his disciples. While at the Lake Shrine I heard of such stories about Paramahansa Yogananda being seen walking casually down the sidewalk outside the grounds. Most likely it has happened more times than we are willing to admit. Would you make such an admissions to mostly incredulous listeners?


You crack me up mccoy! Sometimes I LMAO at your comments which have a serious element of truth while being simultaneously hilarious ;

Somewhat similar to Amma’s sense of humor, while at the same time stating deep wisdom…

Amma has said our expectations are often too high out of people. ‘We see people in our own self concepts. That is why it's difficult to get along with others. Because of this it seems easier to get along with animals. Our expectations cause unfortunate circumstances. We have such expectations of others and criticize them for not being like we thought. We may say about him or her ' I never thought they were such a loser.'  Yet should we expect a nurse to be a doctor?  Can we expect a frog to be an elephant? (LOL)

If you go to village and expect to see the culture of  a city you will be disappointed. When we get dissolutioned by the external nature of something our expectations are too high. It is not bad to have expectations yet we should recognize that there is positive and negative in others.’

amma


“I can only guess” Keep guessing mccoy 😂 your guess is as good as mine. I can only speak for myself. But I’d rather not elaborate. The revelations and admissions may be more than one wants to hear and the responses severe. Yes … ‘things at times go too astray.’ LMAO 😂 😝

I agree that expectations can be too high for people, but sometimes those expectations are created by the person himself, so he suffers the consequences.

Example: Kryiananda in his book the path depicts himself in a certain manner, building a figure which creates some expectations. He fell way short of those expectations.

Whereas Yogananda in his autobiography was pretty humble, Sri Yukteswar really seems the highest master there, barring Babaji.
However, by reading other biographies (like his brother's Mejda), Yogananda appears to be actually much greater than he depicts himself. He created expectations that were actually exceeded.