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Yuga Theory by Sri Yukteshwar

Sri Yukteswar’s introduction to The Holy Science includes his explanation of the Yuga Cycle, which differs from the traditional position because of his premise that the earth is now in the age of Dwapara Yuga, not the Kali Yuga that most Indian pundits believe to be the current age. His theory is based on the idea that the sun “takes some star for its dual and revolves around it in about 24,000 years of our earth – a celestial phenomenon which causes the backward movement of the equinoctial points around the zodiac.” The standard explanation for this celestial phenomenon is precession, the ‘wobbling’ rotating movement of the earth axis. Research into Sri Yukteswar’s explanation is being conducted by the Binary Research Institute.

He further states that the sun also has another motion by which it revolves around a grand center called Vishnu-Naabhi, which is the seat of the creative power Brahma, the universal magnetism. Brahma regulates Dharma, the mental virtues of the inner world. When the sun in its revolution around its dual comes to the place nearest to this grand center, the seat of Brahma (an event which takes place when the autumnal equinox comes to the first point of Aries), Dharma the mental virtue becomes so developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Spirit.

In The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar concludes that we are currently in the beginning stages of Dwapara Yuga, which began around 1699 A.D., moving closer to the grand center, and will pass into Treta Yuga around the year 4099 A.D.

If we represent the yugas in a clock, the lowest spiritual time would be at 6 o’clock, approx. Year 550 A.D., which is the center of Kali Yuga (more or less the Middle Ages), and the highest point is 12 o’clock, in the center of Satya Yuga (literally Age of Truth, as sat=truth), or Golden Age. It takes approx. 12,000 years from the lowest to the highest point, and about 24,000 in a complete turn. Now we would be at approx. 7 o’clock, ascending in Dwapara Yuga or Bronze Age which started in 1699.

[Note : The graphic in the image displays the Zodiac symbols in its inner circle based on their alignment with the Northern Hemisphere AUTUMNAL Equinox, NOT the Vernal Equinox. The Great Year/Yuga Cycle commences when the Autumnal Equinox is aligned with the First Point of the Constellation Aries, as stated above (ref “The Holy Science” by Sri Yukteswar). Hence, they may appear to be rotated 180 degrees to those who typically use the Northern Hemisphere VERNAL Equinox as their reference point for the Zodiac ‘Ages’]

https://mydattatreya.com/sri-yukteswar/

My take on it is this. Our souls tend to rebel against the difficult and slow moving evolution taking place on the earth plane at this time. There are so many back slides in us and the world around us. Sometimes we see people like ourselves creating challenging karma rather than resolving it. This is all part of a transition period we have been goin through since the late 1800’s. A 200 year transition time between the dark Kali yoga, or Iron Age and the merging Dwapara Yuga or Bronze Age. Remnants of the dark ages still linger with us-vast times of total denial of soul recognition and kindness to our spiritual family around the globe. Times when emperors and leaders in power used very barbaric tactics to subdue the masses and their followers willingly involved in unquestionably abusive practices to those in their immediate local. No doubt your soul having had experiences from life times of being in more harmonious environments for its expression rebels at such barbaric behavior and atrocious actions committed by others. We have some purpose here though Eric and I think both of us are ‘seeing’ that more clearly as the events of our present incarnation unfold before our souls awareness.

I recall having a class in high school that was tied to community work and I was working for Dominoes Pizza and the manager there was grading me on my service. To give you an example of what I really learned I will tell you one thing he demanded that I do as an assignment and part of my grade.

He told me to go to the telephone booth which he could see from the Dominoes Pizza location and order 10 or 12 pizzas from his competitor ‘Little Caesar’s’ Pizza and have them delivered to a fictitious address. Knowing that my grade depended on it and just how despicable he was I went to the telephone booth and pretended to order the pizzas. So as you see their are people who have no moral scruples and are still lingering on from a barbaric period in history. He also showed some of the abusive tactics you have shown here of the Chinese torture camps. We have to do what we can and what we see as possible in the moral dilemma's presented to us and sometimes we are not successful in our ‘karmic tests’ which are higher ‘grades’ then any worldly school can determine. Grades that obviously supersede any worldly school such as ‘re-education’ camps in communist China.

https://www.vedanet.com/keys-to-the-yugas-or-cycles-of-the-ages-subyugas-in-the-sri-yukteswar-yuga-cycle/

From the link above;

The purpose of the present article is to suggest an additional enhancement to Yukteswar’s Yuga theory, adding a set of ‘subyugas’ or minor yugas to add more detail to it.

These additional subperiods can explain historical changes over centuries that the Yuga model of thousands of years can miss.They also tell us why, though we are no longer in the Kali Yuga, that we are still in a difficult time that is likely to continue for some decades.

First of all, let us take a quick overview of Sri Yuktewar’s Yuga theory. Yukteswar proposes a four yuga cycle of 12,000 years with transitional periods called ‘sandhis’ coming in between. Each sandhi is 10% the length of the main period and occurs at both its beginning and end.

Kali Yuga of 1000 years has two sandhis of 100 years for a total of 1200 years. Dwapara Yuga of 2000 years has two sandhis of 200 years for a total of 2400 years. Treta Yuga of 3000 years has two sandhis of 300 years for a total of 3600 years. Satya Yuga of 4000 years has two sandhis of 400 years for a total of 4800 years. This makes for a total of 12,000 years for the cycle of the four yugas.

Thanks mccoy.... From the Binary Institute; as you have proposed above.

The precession of the equinox

The precession of the equinox is observed as the stars moving across the sky at the rate of about 50 arc seconds per year, relative to the equinox.

Conventional theory holds that this phenomenon is due to the gravity of the sun and moon acting upon the oblate spheroid of the earth causing the axis to wobble (the lunisolar theory). The alternative explanation advanced by the Binary Research Institute is that most of the observable is due to solar system motion, causing a reorientation of the earth relative to the fixed stars as the solar system gradually curves through space (the binary theory or model). We find the binary model better explains acceleration of the precession rate, better predicts changes in the rate, answers a number of solar system problems and has none of the paradoxes or inconsistencies associated with lunisolar precession theory.2

The Research section includes a summary of our basic work investigating the mechanics of precession, describes some of the problems with current theory and gives data to show that solar system motion is a better explanation for the observable known as the precession of the equinox. If you move your mouse over the word “Research” you will find this work broken into five further sections entitled: Introduction, Evidence, Calculations, Finding It and Papers and Articles. We invite you to browse.

For a tutorial on our alternate view of precession please begin with the “Introduction” and keep clicking the “Next” button and it will carry you through each section of the presentation.

If you have any comments or questions about this website or any of our work please feel free to contact us.

From the introduction:

"While there is no obvious visible companion star to our Sun, there could be a dark binary, such as a brown dwarf or possibly a relatively small black hole, either of which might be very difficult to detect, without accurate and lengthy analysis."

By reading further and above all by listening to the interview with Cruttenden, the author of the book in SY's yugas, I understood what follows:

- If the sun's dual is a brown dwarf or a black hole, the distance of such dual should be pretty small, maybe too small for the dual not to be noticed (enphasys is my remark).

-The sun's dual is believed by Cruttenden to be Sirius, and this would necessitate a revisitation of the velocity of the solar system, which some recent literature proposed. A model based on such revision would be coherent with a binary system with the sun and Sirius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR0lEmGEiPs

I appreciated the binary institute site because it details with some scientific data the theory of yugas, especially in the 'evidence' and 'calculations' sections. In the end, even though there is still a lack of evidence and the model is strongly criticized by some orthodox astronomers, I still feel that Sri Yukteswar may be proven right in the future.

This is a leap of faith, but so many accepted theories in science are huge leaps of faith, like the multiverse, the theory of strings and others. 

The recent site is more balanced and objective than the latest time, I read it (years ago). Please note, some uncertainty has been manifested as to the existence of the dual star, but other phenomena are cited as possible sources of the alleged sun's motion relative to the fixed stars, such as gravitational curvature due to local stellar clusters and Sagittarius A* to some small degree.

I think there are various factors for influencing behavior and likewise physical facts for motions. Isolating the most important factor is the best sometimes people can do in simple conversation. I will give you an example; ‘Being around Yogananda’s direct disciples and those he influenced changed my life.’

In the same way a ‘dual’ Can significantly change our ideas of history and time.

Now I can say that my life was changed because of my Good Karma or somebody invited me to stay in California for a while or any number of other factors. Or someone can say there are many factors that have led to the view of an approximately 24,000 cycle. The crux of the question is this; does Sri Yukteswar’s model of the yugas fit with the reality of a better explanation then the wobble of the earth?

From ‘God talks with Arjuna’ the Bhagavad Gita by Paramahnsa Yogananda

(An) equinoctial cycle taking 24,000 years, have been gone through about 83,000 times during the 2 billion years that scientists estimate the earth has already existed. Whenever this earthly school has fulfilled its temporary purpose in God's scheme according to cyclic timing, or whenever all the inhabitants have been fully educated and manifesting complete divinity, then, through a cosmic deluge, Spirit will not only release human beings but also the Karma-tortured active atoms of the earth. In partial dissolutions, only certain areas of the earth are 'dissolved' such as the continent of Atlantis and the Land of Mu (Lemuria) in the Pacific. Plato accounts the legends of one such a partial dissolution when about 9000 BC the land vibrated and trembled and great fissures appeared; Atlantis disappeared into the surrounding water with 88 million inhabitants.

History could hardly record complete cosmic earthly dissolutions! At such times a planet, for example, and all things on it are converted into diaphanous energy. Only liberated masters, through visions, have seen such cosmic disillusions; and no one except God has kept a record of how many times the earthly school-building and his pupils have been entirely dim dematerialized into astral or causal form, or into mere seed-ideas in the mind of the creator, and then brought forth again throughout the many "Days of Creation" - periods of manifestation which are then followed by "Nights of dissolution."

~Paramahansa Yogananda

PGES 447 and 448 hard cover version

https://youtu.be/vR0lEmGEiPs

mccoy, thanks for providing this video. i wonder what you think he is suggesting here. At first he speaks of Sirius as being a more or less permanent fixture in the sky. i had the impression that it is the star we are orbiting in a 24,000 year cycle but later on he expresses the idea that Pleiades is that star system. After listening through to the end... i wonder if he is of the opinion that we may be at opposites with Sirius in the middle, but we are traveling closer to the Pleiades as both star systems- our Sun and Alcyone are orbiting the Sirius star system.

Eric and Kelly; although you may not find time to listen to the whole presentation. i hope you can tune in at about the 20 minute marker at first.

Steve, I'll have to listen to it again, what I remember is that, if we take an unconventional theory as a reference for the solar system velocity compared to the fixed stars, then we could include Sirius as a candidate for the dual star. I kind of missed the Pleiades piece, I'm usually listening to podcasts while driving my son around, and he sometimes will play his portable keyboard at full volume. Sometimes I just miss parts of podcasts.

In my understanding he is still placing The Pleiades as the dual where Alcyone is the brightest star. Alcyone is 440 light years from us. Sirius is 8 light years. So apparently we share some motion similar to Sirius while traveling around Alcyone. It really fascinates me because if it were true it would explain so much about history and verify so many of Yogananda’s writings.

I'm equally impressed by the Woman holding the interview. It's a good video, thank you for bringing it to my attention!

She i obviously has an interest in metaphysics herself.

Walter Cruttendon~the Binary Sun

https://youtu.be/8YXh6jbYorM

8:30 marker for Astrology enthusiasts. Shortly there after mention of Sri Yukteswar and also the ‘holes’ in the scientific views of Copernicus and Newton’s theories regarding the use of the wobble of the earth.

18:55 marker. “The current theory has a lot of holes in it.”

Just as an aside, Walter Cruttenden is a wealthy SRF devotee, whose field is finance, with an interest in astronomy so he decided to fund the binary research institute, hiring researchers to collect clues about the existence of the sun dual and expand SY's theory.

HE recently launched the Acorn app for micro investments

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorns_(company)

Yes, as he was speaking I noticed, when he swung his arm up to express a point, he was wearing an SRF bangle that Sri Yukteswar recommended.

Paramhansa Yogananda

The Astrological Bangle, was made popular by Paramhansa Yogananda, author of the Autobiography of a Yogi. Yogananda’s guru, Sri Yukteswar, created the Astrological Bangle formula based on very precise weights of three metals; pure silver, copper, and over a Troy Ounce 99.999%, of 24Kt, fine gold.
Home - Astrological Bangles
www.astrologicalbangles.com/

https://youtu.be/vR0lEmGEiPs

Marker 16:05 I believe I am understanding more clearly this view. Our binary star… which is Sirius and our Sun get closer and further away from the ‘sweet influences’ of the Pleiades as we go through the procession of the equinoxes…. We also get closer (with our binary star; Sirius) to the grand center (vishnunabhi) in our sector of the Galaxy, which is; the Pleiades.

In the area of Sagittarius A is the center of our whole Milky Way galaxy which is sucked into a giant black hole. It appears too early to account for other motions that may be occurring as our binary star-Sirius- and the Pleiades - which Sirius and the Sun approach and withdraw from - circle ⭕️ the Milky Way.

I listened to the podcast a second time. My interpretation is that he mentions the Pleiades as the grand spiritual center (probably an astral object) which emanates spiritual vibrations.
The sun, while rotating around its dual, in this hypothesis Sirius, oscillates between a closer and a further orbital distance (from the Pleiades), with respectively more spiritual influence and less spiritual influence from this spiritual center.

I would like to know which is the difference in orbital distances. If the Pleiades are 440 light-years distant, an orbital delta of twice the distance of Sirius, as an example, = 16 LY, would be equal to 16/440 = about 4% difference with respect to the total distance of the Pleiades, which is maybe too a little amount to explain all such difference in the spiritual vibration. It would be like saying, any civilization closer to the Pleaides than the earth would be ultra-Uber-evolved. But we have no sign of such civilizations.

This kind of reasoning is what convinced me that the galactic hub si probably not the grand center.

So, from the above, it seems unlikely to me that the Pleiades are SY's grand center. Cruttenden cites the Pleaides since his interest is archaeoastronomy, sharing Tara MAta's interest. But the number do not seem to agree with such hypothesis.

Another aspect is that Sirius is already a binary system, made up of Sirius A and Sirius B, a white dwarf, which are pretty close-up. If we include the sun, we'd have a ternary system. But probably that's not too relevant. Anyway, AFAIK it's all at the level of hypothesis, Cruttenden is basing his just expounding some archaeoastronomical principles, which need hard evidence. He says that if the solar system velocity is far higher than believed, then Sirius might be at the proper distance as a companion star. But it's still a hypothesis.

I'm having a hard time keeping up- am not very scientifically oriented... But I wanted to interject something- I think there are signs of such civilizations and it would mean attempting to understand reality outside the faculties of the human experience. For example, just because we experience linearity and distinct forms through space-time- does not mean reality is not cyclical or layered, superimposed. Think of the flower of life Once we identify ourselves with the energy we perceive as separate from- things like interdimensional travel start to make sense. All of this, 3D and space-time is very real, but it does not mean reality is confined by the limit of human experience. If people are witnessing UFO's, what are they? Where do they come from? And how can an ET who identifies itself from Pleiades appear and communicate with Beings on Earth??

Eric, I understand what you are meaning, and yes, ours may be not the only conceptual metrics, on the other side if we accept that all reality manifests from ideas or concepts in the Causal realm, then we must accept that the ideas are the same for whatsoever intelligence abides this universe. They may be expressed in different ways, but they must be identical in essence.

And sorry for the OT argument, but so far I believe there is no evidence of UFOs, just people saying they have seen them or even recounting to have been abducted by aliens. But there are people who are convinced they are Napoleon or Jesus Christ, so we cannot really believe them in their word.

Personally, I am agnostic about the existence of aliens, that is, if there are other intelligent beings in this galaxy, for example, they are either too far away and unreachable, or they keep concealed, so to all practical matter it is as if they don't exist at all.

I also listened to some very logical arguments as to why it is unlikely that in this galaxy there are other evolved beings, and the logic was valid. That does not mean that it is true, but the logic was there.

We may be the only evolved or semi-evolved beings in the Milky Way. And the other galaxies are too far away to establish a contact unless hyper-evolved beings know how to create wormholes and drop by planet earth. But then, why do they keep so well concealed?

First of all I think there is clearly a difference between being convinced that someone is a Jesus Christ or a Napoleon and seeing UFO’s. I myself know that I have seen UFO’s but I am not of the opinion I know who or what they were. But I do believe that coming up with some of the explanations I’ve heard for what I saw are feeble. Lastly, I would say, with no offense to mccoy’s assertions, his views appear rather contradictory in light of the fact he has so much positive to say about Paramahansa Yogananda. Yet he is still skeptical about Yogananda’s ideas about the Yugas. Knowing mccoy as long as I have and hearing his views as long as I have I would say quite assuredly he is a born skeptic and unless the evidence can be replicated and verified he usually does not accept the views. I believe it is important to remember what Paramahansa Yogananda said about the skeptics in Science; ‘Let them go into the inner laboratories of their own meditation to prove many of these personal assertions that individuals make to see if they are true’. Babaji told Lahiri Mahasaya ‘not to waste his time with sensational seekers who are not willing to spend time building up their own faith enough to see and experience ‘miracles’ from the spiritual realms.’

There are many concepts and ideas that can only be proven by our own spiritual search. Science has its own limitations in the sense that many spiritual truths may never be proven in a science lab. They can only be proven in our own personal soul searching.

Steve, no offense taken, on the contrary, I always appreciate a healthy criticism of myself.

My reference to those who believe they are Napoleon or Christ is strictly relevant to those who recount they've been abducted by aliens. The former are sure they are those historical figures but we know they cannot be. The latter are convinced they were abducted by the aliens but, even though we are not exactly sure they were not, by inference we know that some persons are strongly delusional in their beliefs, so we cannot accept them on the word, unless evidence is provided.


It's interesting that you say I'm a born skeptic since it's just the other way around. I used to believe in everything, even in an indiscriminate way. Whereas now I'm more like Sri Yukteswar, after 40 years of applying scientific principles I've almost become a logical machine. Sort of professional deformation.


I agree here. But at the same time I feel mandated to apply my God-given logic and discrimination. Of course my very few objections can belong solely to the physical realm, not the metaphysical.

So, if for example, I criticize the yugas model, I only have elements to criticize the alleged existence of a sun dual. I do not criticize the whole model, maybe the solar system rotates around some other stellar object, but it is very, very difficult that a sun dual escaped the astronomists thru the recent decades.

I'll start a thread on an episode of an astronomy podcast on binary systems I just listened to. It shows how unlikely it si that the sun is part of a binary system.

I is very difficult to teach someone who already knows or has their own explanations.

In The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar concludes that we are currently in the beginning stages of Dwapara Yuga, which began around 1699 A.D., moving closer to the grand center, and will pass into Treta Yuga around the year 4099 A.D.

If we represent the yugas in a clock, the lowest spiritual time would be at 6 o’clock, approx. Year 550 A.D., which is the center of Kali Yuga (more or less the Middle Ages), and the highest point is 12 o’clock, in the center of Satya Yuga (literally Age of Truth, as sat=truth), or Golden Age. It takes approx. 12,000 years from the lowest to the highest point, and about 24,000 in a complete turn. Now we would be at approx. 7 o’clock, ascending in Dwapara Yuga or Bronze Age which started in 1699.

The breath in man has a similar correspondence with the equinoctial cycle. The normal presernt rate of respiration and in a healthy young adult is 72 breaths in 4 minutes or 18 breaths a minute.  Golden age men will breathe only about 60 times in four minutes. Taking fewer, longer breaths per minute is the shortest cut to concentration of mind. When one is intensely interested in any subject, one’s breathing involuntarily becomes slower and slower. Consciousness is intimately connected with breath. The faster a person breathes, the less  conscious he is; his attention cannot remain fixed. Surgeons of a few hundred years ago, took  advantage of this knowledge, and induced unconsciousness in their patients by instructing them to breathe very fast for a few moments.

~Tara Mata

I find GPT-4's explanatory abilities pretty exceptional, in the way it summarizes concisely and clearly.

Please tell me the cause of the precession of equinoxes according to sri yukteswar

It's interesting to know that GPT-4 has a very balanced view on the possible presence of a binary star.

Do you think there are suggestions that the sun is part of a binary star?

From the above, can we affirm that the sun has a 80% a priori probability of being into a binary or multiple system?






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What about the hypothesis that the binary companion of the sun is a small black hole?





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Excuse my naivety on the subject- is Yukteswar saying we've already had a golden age? And then, we somehow fell from grace, and have to go back to it?

Is he saying it's cyclical?

I wonder what the great fall could have been, and what it means for us- if we are evolutionary creatures, how then could we have all this biological knowledge reset with a blank slate?

Well. This may not sit well with others but I also had the thought today:

Consider that we are evolving from animal nature, then, I think- as a catalyst to entering into a higher age that some "evil men" are actually Gods chosen. Not that I believe God is fond of what man calls evil, but that maybe as a soul contract there are men who have committed great atrocities which have ultimately helped bring the evolution of mankind into a higher age. Did not Yogananda call himself a ruthless conqueror as one of his incarnations?

I think of the Law of One, which often talks about positive oriented beings and negative oriented beings- and the necessity and functions of such negative beings in a world of duality. I think we can evolve out of duality, I don't think evil actions need to take place... But I also think this is a school of hard knocks and we have both fight or flight, self preserving wisdom as well as selfless evolutionary wisdom.

It's also interesting to think just how intrinsic the biology of a person is with their spiritual reality. Not in all cases, but in many such cases, we inherit even things like addictive personality disorder from our lineage which provides its own karmic opportunities.

He is saying it is cyclical. No blank slate brother Eric. We maintain our present evolutionary status regardless of the yugas. If we continue to progress. There is no reset. Think about what you are saying. If we were to use your seemingly depressing notions Jesus would have had to reset when he was born into the lowest Kali Yuga. However he was born a Master and stayed that way for his mortal life on earth.

Sometimes evolved souls are born into the lower yugas to work out specific lessons of that period, and at times they even come with a mission to help people of that period evolve. Likewise there are at times dark presences that are born into the higher ages. It is not so cut and dry as your questions would appear.

And no Yogananda did not call himself a ‘ruthless conqueror’. Do we really know why or what William the Conqueror did during his stay on earth? In fact do we know for sure what happened in any one’s incarnation? Strangely enough most Christian’s believe that despite the remarkable existence Jesus lived, most Christians believed he lived the rather simple life of a carpenter for 15 years going unnoticed with nothing to write about him during this period in the Bible; absolutely nothing!! Now we have a totally different narrative, never recorded in the Bible, by the ‘wise men of the east’ who say he spent his time in India and Nepal during those 15 ‘lost years’.

Yes we have already had a golden age many times and we will again. Anyone committing ‘atrocities’ are creating very difficult karma for themselves. How it affects others is a matter of their choice. But it is sometimes true that pain is the prod to remembrance, those who inflict suffering on others show a lack of conscious and empathy and will have to develop those qualities to evolve out of their ignorance. Whether it is in a higher period, which has more evolved souls, or a lower period where they are usually more suited because of the soul shadow they carry with them.

Yes we live in a duality that gives us the free choice to rise above our present lineage. And people like Amma did that. Both Yogananda and her have abusive brothers. Yet they were able to rise out of their lineage and embrace a higher vibration, just as did Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita. But he did have to fight his evil tendencies as seen in his brother the two sides of a family – the Pandavas and the Kauravas.

Yes that makes sense. And here are some quotes from Yogananda on evil, both shadow and light belong to One God. 
https://yogananda.com.au/gurus/yogananda_quotes34evil.html

It's nice to know we don't lose any of that wisdom, or that the potential is there- I suppose it's equally true as Sadhguru has stated that we can also revert back into animal mind quite easily.

It’s much easier to slide down an incline than to struggle back up. Whether we are sliding down or climbing up the slide, it helps to keep our consciousness on God. Such is the paradox of the duality we have been thrown into.

Steve, pretty curious timing that you mentioned the first 15 years not recorded... and I read this just today- part 2 of this book
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/The_anti-Christ_%28IA_antichrist00carerich%29.pdf

Talked about in this thread:
http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,8575.msg42147/topicseen.html#msg42147 - Christianity & The Spine

Eric I believe you lived a life of a hunting Indian at one time so your body still craves the nourishment of meat. Quite frankly I think I get enough or more than enough of nourishment for energy to sustain me. I eat a lot of almond butter in drinks and sandwiches. And I just got a bag of hazel nuts and walnuts. I believe that this is how vegans accomplish their energy needs.

But I am not a vegan … at least not presently. I buy a lot of yogurt and often add almond milk or cows milk to my blended drinks. I also eat for instance, a lot of goats milk 🥛 and cheese when it is available at a decent price.

I see a lot of fishermen where I meditate jog and meditate in the woods. At no time do I insult them with my dietary habits. Not everyone is attempting liberation in this lifetime or even spiritual experience. Most people still have no idea 🤷‍♂️ about enlightenment and instead are enthralled with Gods creation to the point of being locked into life after life in this material plain. However we are born into this Bronze Age where it is no longer necessary to be a hunter for our dietary needs. So if we choose foods that more suit our spiritual body it gives a faster route to spiritual awakening. Not that tribal people and other wanderers do not have a spiritual connection. I have seen the darkness in the eyes and material vibes that manifest in the bodies of those who indulge heavier in meat than others. I think you are making the adaptations necessary to your spiritual life as you see fit and I have done the same. I have seen how my thoughts have also deceived me in my mind as well. I have had to constantly reorient my behaviors and attitudes to reflect more of a spiritual nature. All of us make the adaptive choices that suit us best in our evolving environments as well, which also influence our spiritual practices for good or bad.

What amazed me about the Holy Science is that in it Sri Yukteswar explains biologically and environmentally why a vegetarian diet is best suited for a spiritual aspirant. It may interest you to read at some point.

https://archive.org/details/the-holy-science/page/n8/mode/1up

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There is much about the yugas in the free download provided here. Below are some of Sri Yukteswar’s comments about the ‘ natural ‘ food for humans.

What is natural food for man?

First, to select our natural food, our observation should be directed to the formation of the organs that aid in digestion and nutrition, the teeth and digestive canal; to the natural tendency of the organs of sense which guide animals to their food; and to the nourishment of the young.

Observation of teeth. By observation of the teeth we find that in carnivorous animals the incisors are little developed, but the canines are of striking length, smooth and pointed, to seize the prey. The molars also are pointed; these points, however, do not meet, but fit closely side by side to separate the muscular fibers.

In the herbivorous animals the incisors are strikingly developed, the canines are stunted (though occasionally developed into weapons, as in elephants), the molars are broad-topped and furnished with enamel on the sides only.

In the frugivorous all the teeth are of nearly the same height; the canines are little projected, conical, and blunt (obviously not intended for seizing prey but for exertion of strength). The molars are broad-topped and furnished at the top with enamel folds to prevent waste caused by their side motion, but not pointed for chewing flesh.

In omnivorous animals such as bears, on the other hand, the incisors resemble those of the herbivorous, the canines are like those of the carnivorous, and the molars are both pointed and broadtopped to serve a twofold purpose.

Now if we observe the formation of the teeth in man we find that they do not resemble those of the carnivorous, neither do they resemble the teeth of the herbivorous or the omnivorous. They do resemble, exactly, those of the frugivorous animals. The reasonable inference, therefore, is that man is a frugivorous or fruit-eating animal.*

Observation of the digestive canal. By observation of the digestive canal we find that the bowels of carnivorous animals are 3 to 5 times the length of their body, measuring from the mouth to the anus; and their stomach is almost spherical. The bowels of the herbivorous are 20 to 28 times the length of their body and their stomach is more extended and of compound build. But the bowels of the frugivorous animals are I0 to 12 times the length of their body; their stomach is somewhat broader than that of the carnivorous and has a continuation in the duodenum serving the purpose of a second stomach.

This is exactly the formation we find in human beings, though Anatomy says that the human bowels are 3 to 5 times the length of man’s body— making a mistake by measuring the body from the crown to the soles, instead of from mouth to anus. Thus we can again draw the inference that man is, in all probability, a frugivorous animal.

Observation of organs of sense.

By observation of the natural tendency of the organs of sense—the guideposts for determining what is nutritious—by which all animals are directed to their food, we find that when the carnivorous animal finds prey, he becomes so much delighted that his eyes begin to sparkle; he boldly seizes the prey and greedily laps the jetting blood. On the contrary, the herbivorous animal refuses even his natural food, leaving it untouched, if it is sprinkled with a little blood. His senses of smell and sight lead him to select grasses and other herbs for his food, which he tastes with delight. Similarly with the frugivorous animals, we find that their senses always direct them to fruits of the trees and field.

In men of all races we find that their senses of smell, sound, and sight never lead them to slaughter animals; on the contrary they cannot bear even the sight of such killings. Slaughterhouses are always recommended to be removed far from the towns; men often pass strict ordinances forbidding the uncovered transportation of flesh meats. Can flesh then be considered the natural food of man, when both his eyes and his nose are so much 66 THE HOLY SCIENCE
against it, unless deceived by flavors of spices, salt, and sugar? On the other hand, how delightful do we find the fragrance of fruits, the very sight of which often makes the mouth water! It may also be noticed that various grains and roots possess an agreeable odor and taste, though faint, even when unprepared. Thus again, we are led to infer from these observations that man was intended to be a frugivorous animal.*

Observation of the nourishment of the young.

By observation of the nourishment of the young we find that milk is undoubtedly the food of the newborn babe. Abundant milk is not supplied in the breasts of the mother if she does not take fruits, grains, and vegetables as her natural food.

Cause of disease. Hence from these observations the only conclusion that can reasonably be drawn is that various grains, fruits, roots, and—for beverage—milk, and pure water openly exposed to air and sun are decidedly the best natural food for man. These, being congenial to the system when taken according to the power of the digestive organs, well chewed and mixed with saliva, are always easily assimilated.

Other foods are unnatural to man and being uncongenial to the system are necessarily foreign to it; when they enter the stomach, they are not properly assimilated. Mixed with the blood, they accumulate in the excretory and other organs not properly adapted to them. When they cannot find their way out, they subside in tissue crevices by the law of gravitation; and, being fermented, produce diseases, mental and physical, and ultimately lead to premature death.

Children’s development.

Experiment also proves that the nonirritant diet natural to the vegetarian is, almost without exception, admirably suited to children’s development, both physical and mental. Their minds, understanding, will, the principal faculties, temper, and general disposition are also properly developed.

* “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” — Genesis 1:29. (Publisher's Note)


* Fruit comprises any part of plant life useful to man. The fruitarian diet referred to by Swami Sri Yukteswar includes vegetables, nuts, and grains. (Publisher’s Note)

Thanks Steve,

Casey is a fruitarian and has spoken highly on the subject. I was told by my friend who introduced me to AoY that I would like this book. Thanks for the link!

You bring up Casey quite often. It would be nice to have such a one’s friendship!

Natural living calms passions. We find that when extraordinary means such as excessive fasting, scourging, or monastic confinement are resorted to for the purpose of suppressing the sexual passions, these means seldom produce the desired effect. Experiment shows, however, that man can easily overcome these passions, the archenemy of morality, by natural living on a nonirritant diet, above referred to; thereby men gain a calmness of mind which every psychologist knows is the most favorable to mental activity and to a clear understanding, as well as to a judicial way of thinking.

Sexual desire. Something more should be said here about the natural instinct of propagation,

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which is, next to the instinct of self-preservation, the strongest in the animal body. Sexual desire, like all other desires, has a normal and an abnormal or diseased state, the latter resulting only from the foreign matter accumulated by unnatural living as mentioned above. In the sexual desire everyone has a very accurate thermometer to indicate the condition of his health. This desire is forced from its normal state by the irritation of nerves that results from the pressure of foreign matter accumulated in the system, which pressure is exerted on the sexual apparatus and is at first manifested by an increased sexual desire followed by a gradual decrease of potency.

This sexual desire in its normal state makes man quite free from all disturbing lusts, and operates on the organism (awaking a wish for appeasement) only infrequently. Here again experiment shows that this desire, like all other desires, is always normal in individuals who lead a natural life as mentioned.

The root of the tree of life. The sexual organ—the junction of important nerve extremities, particularly of the sympathetic and spinal nerves (the principal nerves of the abdomen) which, through their connection with the brain, are capable of enlivening the whole system—is in a sense the root of the tree of life. Man well-instructed in the proper use of sex can keep his body and THE

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mind in proper health and can live a pleasant life throughout.

The practical principles of sexual health are not taught because the public regards the subject as unclean and indecent. Thus blinded, mankind presumes to clothe Nature in a veil because she seems to them impure, forgetting that she is always clean and that everything impure and improper lies in man’s ideas, and not in Nature herself. It is clear therefore that man, not knowing the truth about the dangers of misuse of the sexual power, and being compelled to wrong practices by the nervous irritation resulting from unnatural living, suffers troublesome diseases in life and ultimately becomes a victim of premature death.

Dwelling place of man.

Secondly, about our dwelling place. We can easily understand, when we feel displeasure on entering a crowded room after breathing fresh air on a mountaintop or in an expanse of field or garden, that the atmosphere of the town or any crowded place is quite an unnatural dwelling place. The fresh atmosphere of the mountaintop, or of the field or garden, or of a dry place under trees covering a large plot of land and freely ventilated with fresh air is the proper dwelling place for man according to Nature.

The company we should keep.

And thirdly, as to the company we should keep. Here also, if we listen to the dictates of our conscience and con-

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sult our natural liking, we will at once find that we favor those persons whose magnetism affects us harmoniously, who cool our system, internally invigorate our vitality, develop our natural love, and thus relieve us of our miseries and administer peace to us. This is to say, we should be in the company of the Sat or Savior and should avoid that of the Asat, as described before. By keeping the company of Sat (the Savior) we are enabled to enjoy perfect health, physical and mental, and our life is prolonged. If on the other hand we disobey the warning of Mother Nature, without listening to the dictates of our pure conscience, and keep the company of whatever has been designated as Asat, an opposite effect is produced and our health is impaired and our life shortened.

Necessity of natural living and purity.

Thus natural living is helpful for the practice of Yama, the ascetic forbearances as explained earlier. Purity of mind and body being equally important in the practice of Niyama, the ascetic observances already explained, every attempt should be made to attain that purity.

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Thus ends Sri Yukteswar’s commentary on the best suited diet for the spiritual aspirant, the environment to choose in this quest as well as the company that encourages natural living suited for the spiritual life.

Yes, I am inspired by Casey's website and have found her to be a big support system.

You have been as well. I am hoping we can talk more about what you've written above on the phone soon, if time permits. I may not be available until Tuesday.

But here's what I found my self just saying over at the other forum,

"What I really need to work on, and be careful with, is my sexual energy. I actually enjoy my sexual energy and don't think that's what's wrong but it is how I put it out there that concerns me. I don't want to creep or force myself, or create awkward exchange. I want the fun to be there, but in a mutually beneficial kind of way. At times it would seem my carnal desires cloud the judgement and fantasy becomes stronger than reality. The urge to satisfy that impulse can become intoxicating and pushes me to an irrational edge. I would like to learn how to transform those primal energies and carry them up the spine as was mentioned in the recent video you shared. I did not see any technique for how to do so in the book."

So you see- we are more aligned than either of us know.

We have been talking about the techniques here now since this site started. As you know I just gave you many techniques here from Sri Yukteswar’s Holy Science. What has become habit over many incarnations is not solved over night and perhaps not even in one lifetime; as I myself have observed.

In the last readings we have discussed these factors as contributing to creating better habits; environment, company and the dwelling place of man. But we have already been exposed to Kriya which reverses the flow of energy up the spine. And last, but not least the grace of God and the company of the gurus.

I think it wise to also recognize that balance plays a part in many areas of our life, especially with a subject like preservation of the species. Someone wanted to make human beings and their lives important and so having them multiply was made much easier with a strong sexual orientation. The paradox of life is God’s rather complex Conundrum of a spiritual existence contrasted by the proliferation of the species.

You are part of my consciousness, we work on this together Brother. Today I’m going back to the woods. The beauty of nature is one of the best ways I’ve found to keep on track with meditation, energizing, exercise and mindfulness of higher states of consciousness.

Enjoy Brother Steve. _^_

I may go back to practicing Gurunaths sun bathing Kriya exercises. But one day I would love when we finally meet to learn the kriya techniques you practice.

Here is something over at the galactic travel channel forum, that acknowledges my recent plight with self:

Q'uote of the Day
January 10th, 2009
https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2009/0110
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/omtalks/the-daily-q-uote-t1942-s645.html#p28999

If we don’t go to hell in a hand basket, enjoying the ride, we will meet in heaven in a mind twizzler.

Have to say brother that the last entry appears closer to the truth or at least the understanding then the previous one below... but then again this thread has moved in different directions since its inception and the contribution below takes much more thought and technical understanding. i think about it though; and at times i come up with more simplistic explanations for the Fathers will. (just a jab in the dark to find meaning for myself.) One of them is that i believe we are constantly challenged to expand our notions of beauty and not get hung up or obsessed about finding beauty in just for instance a body, but rather to expand our notions of the beauty of the body to the wonder of God's creation, the beauty of nature, the ocean, the mountains, the stars and expansion of the sky, an increasing appreciation of sound and spiritual upliftment in certain musical expression and art, The beauty of all the different expressions of God's thought in different perspectives..... and lastly, the wonder and beauty in our own self and soul. This takes a lot of redirection of our energies and thought patterns.

Talked about in this thread:
http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,8575.msg42147/topicseen.html#msg42147 - Christianity & The Spine

Thanks Steve! Great video, it kind of reminds me of the truths in the recent thread Christ & The Spine. Wherein it elaborates the importance of the spine and experiencing expanded consciousness.

Well, here's the Surya Yoga. Which, if I understand correctly, is a type of Kriya- considering the breathing techniques and mudras, and this too was passed along by Babaji.

https://youtu.be/Q-NEEviR4l0

Thank you thisbody.

If you want to know my personal attitudes, I have not accepted either as "My master."

I am not a traditionalist either, which may annoy those who choose the path of disciple and practice structured disciplines.

I believe they(these Masters and Gurus) are still of use and offer a great service. We are all belonging to God, and God will use us as he sees fit. We are not perfect, and whatever we liken another- such is our fate(if but for a moment, and usually only in the eyes of the beholder).

I really appreciate you sharing these things... Because it seems once again all these folks lead back to Hariharananda... And all lead back to God.

I have a personal affinity for Andamayi Ma. My attitude towards Gurunath and Swami Vidyadhishananda is this... They are both resourceful- Gurunath is a bit more radical and bold in his claims. Swami V is more intellect based and revered for his ability to retain and express vedic knowledge.

My personal experience has directed me to Sufism and The Peacock Angel. If I have a Guru, he initiated me in 2008 on the dream level. He is not Gurunath, he is not Swami V... But my life has lead me to these people to help me understand something Greater on a intimate level. Sufism teaches us to respect all sincere forms of worship.

The only sin is when one is not conscious of God.

I would add even those who have performed what we come to call miracles, are still Gods children who have had their own struggles. God is so compassionate, and we are usually the ones beating ourselves up for not adhering to someone else's ideas of perfection. But it seems each of these people have helped others get in touch with something in themselves.

I just bumped a thread about the peacock angel, it's funny that Steves replies there could provide additional commentary to your post here. Hope you get to view that thread.
http://spiritualportal.net/index.php/topic,6683.0.html

I’m attempting to see the relationship of this post to the thread entitled; Sri Yukteswar and the Yugas. Could you help me understand here thisbody? Should we start a new thread on Baba Hariharananda? I am happy for you that you have found what appears to be your spiritual path this life. And we are blessed to have the wisdom of such spiritually powerful souls you have brought to our attention. Perhaps you are telling us that they also have come with a elevated Kriya technique in this the Dwapara yuga. Which now seems somewhat more common, as we move into a higher age…. As well as others that continue to rise in soul awareness while at the same time attempting to rise above maya.

If you are also interested in discussing two or more types of Kriya we can also dedicate a thread to it. This site is dedicated to understanding all kinds of meditation and while we attempt to not disparage other paths, I see nothing wrong with bringing up different types of Kriya and spiritual practices in a thread about
it under for instance ; Masters and Saints or Kriya Yoga.

thisbody thanks for your response. We have a section on this site for ‘members only’ where issues such as things ‘jumping before your eyes’ as you put it are discussed. Please read it and we would appreciate any of your comments about such occurrences which are discussed there. Suffice it to say here, that in the past when you were not here, Eric (tides2dust) and I have had some unusual occasions where it is possible that individual(s) have been involved with this site that are no longer on the physical plane. Or may be communicating from another level or dimension.

I am not familiar with the names of some of the people you have mentioned in the quote below, and recently. Perhaps I will get more acquainted with you and the spiritual influences you have listed as I get to know you, at present I’m unable to comment on the people or understand what you have mentioned below.

I am able to comment on the “bold claims of Babaji” as you have asserted. Babaji is the originator of the Kriya that I have been practicing most my life. Babaji does not need any ‘bold claims’ to be made for me or anyone else to parrot. I already know his blessings. No doubt you also find the same blessings that you have experienced from Kriya yoga, and the Masters you have chosen to follow. I am happy for you and the path you have chosen.

Seriously,

Don't worry about the direction of the thread... It's going to happen. I have a thread dedicated to Mark Hyman and we end up talking about Sun Gazing as a type of nutrition for the soul.

We aren't a large community, and it's okay if conversations drift. The author of the thread can always try to redirect his or her efforts back to the OT.

I appreciate your insights.

I have learned a lot through these Gurus with questionable background.

What's the expression about saints being sinners?

Thanks.

All this I find of interest, but I must tell you I was trained and initiated by Paramahansa Yogananda, still I also received Amma’s IAM technique. Isn’t it possible to do both? Have you read the Autobiography. Yogananda was involved with other groups before finding Sri Yukteswar.

I was listening to an interesting interview because Melchizedek was mentioned and I was curious about the mans experience with this being. I was surprised to find the host mention the holy science and Sri Yukteswar.

He doesn't spend much time on it other than sharing his belief that the precision of equinox is every 24,000 years.

Not sure if this is the right place or how relevant other than this noticing but I am sharing the video here, and it's at the right time stamp so if you hit play and listen he will explain it briefly.

https://youtu.be/XWCIzENcHXY?si=zWEOY97hZv22Owjb&t=5640

Over 6,000 years ago, a mysterious civilization had detailed maps of our solar system. The Sumerians created these drawings using clay. The surviving drawings show that they understood that the sun is a star at the center of the solar system and that other planets revolve around it. They even accurately sketched the orbits and positions of the planets.

Interestingly, some of their paintings also depict strange images with giant entities. The Sumerians considered them to be deities. Intriguingly, some of the drawings of these gods even display symbols resembling human DNA sequences. Additionally, they had symbols related to medicine, which bear significant resemblance to modern medical symbols. To this day, we still cannot understand how thousands of years ago, the oldest civilization of mankind had such profound knowledge of astronomy.

This raises the question of whether this ancient civilization was not backward, but rather had advanced far beyond our current understanding of them.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/367085883741557/permalink/1956208251495971/?

The Sumerian city of Uruk was the oldest inhabited civilized city in the world, between 6000 and 4000 BC. Writing was first used here and spread throughout the world. The name Iraq is derived from it, and the first literary epic in history, the famous Epic of Gilgamesh, was also written here. The first poultry was domesticated here, and with the establishment of the irrigation system, the first agriculture began here.

The question that I have; was this the first or rather the end of an even greater civilization prior to this?

When the end of the Golden Age had come and the Anunaki closed their gold mines and left planet Earth.. their small statured work forces would be released into the world. ⚒️
  At the Abzu mines of South Africa.. King Nofret would take his tribe North to the land of the Pharoahs. Impressed with his knowledge and seeing the fruits of Dwarven culture.. the Pharaoh invited all of Nofret's tribe to live under his protection and hospitality. 🌴
  Here the Dwarfs were free to pursue the arts of craftsmanship, and experimenting with new  materials.. and they discovered Copper. And, when scouting the lands of central Europe, they discover Tin. When mixed with Copper it creates a metal harder than any other and makes some of the best tools and weapons. ⚔️
  These tools would bring a new precision to their work and craftsmanship.. giving rise to a whole new era.. The Bronze Age. ✨️

https://yoganandasite.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/mukti-matas-counsel-to-a-gay-devotee/

JANUARY 2, 1858
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Alcyone
January 1858 Issue
The Sciences
M. Maedler, the author of the recent investigations with reference to the central sun, has long been known to the astronomical world as the successor of M. Struve in the direction of the observatory at Dorpat. His computations of the orbital movements of the double stars have given to him a deservedly high celebrity; and the great theory which he has propounded is only given to the world after a long and patient examination, extending through many years. Assuming Alcyone as the great center of the millions of starscomposingour astral system, and the direction of the sun's motion, as determined by Argelander and Struve, he investigates these consequent movements of all the stars in every quarter of the heavens. Just where the swiftest motions should be found, there they actually exist, which demonstrates either the truth of the theory, or exhibits the most remarkable and incredible coincidences. After a profound examination, Maedler reaches the conclusion, that Alcyone, the principal star in the group Pleiades, now occupies the center of gravity, and is at present the sun about which the universe of stars composing our astral system are all revolving.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/alcyone/

I liked the reference to the historical article on Alcyione in the link.