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Title: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Jan 10, 2010 07:54 pm Recently a devotee friend was nice enough to leave me a rather lengthy message on my phone about the position of the eyes being slightly above the horizon and slightly open to avoid nodding. i have been practicing this more latley than usual and i am giving it a try. If nothing else it is helping me be more aware by doing a variation in my practice. Always working on settling the chaos of the mind...
Jitendra Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Katze on Jan 11, 2010 01:26 am and there is such chaos to deal with, lol ! ;D just teasing you.....
that must take some getting used to, the positioning of the eyes and leaving them slightly open. I usually close my eyes, and even though I am sitting up when meditating and not laying down, there is a tendency to fall asleep. Usually though, this is due more to lack of sleep than anything else. I will give this idea a try. Thanks both of you. Into Blue Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: blue nova on Jan 29, 2010 07:49 pm the more one practices....the more one will find their own natural asana....
with practice....perseverance....one will find themselves with eyes naturally moving upward. never...do anything that in uncomfortable... it will come natural.... :) Love & (((Hugs))) bn Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: blue nova on Jan 29, 2010 07:56 pm falling asleep....
it not a bad thing to happen while meditating. the point of meditation....is to withdraw senses from outside, to inside..... aka...lose physical consciousness...and place it inner. when body....falls asleep,,,all we are doing is losing focus on the physical or waking consciousness...and focusing on inner consciousness....or the inner consciousness'....sub and super. there is nothing wrong with falling asleep....it is natural to do so...when we first start practicing meditation...altho...this should cease, the more one practices. with experience...one , during meditation, should be able to move thru every consciousness...'awake'... or 'in the knowing'....in awareness..... i think.... ? :D ;) Love & (((Hugs))) bn Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Katze on Jan 29, 2010 10:56 pm Thanks blue nova, for the practice and perseverence suggestions regarding eye position in meditation.
as for the falling asleep, that is definitely connected to " lack of sleep " and not going deep into meditation, at least in my case and that of a few people that I know ;D perhaps for some others, it is a case of going deep into the meditation always interesting to hear about others thoughts, suggestions and experiences, thank you for sharing (((hugs))) Into Blue Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Goldwolf on Feb 04, 2010 09:26 pm Hello everybody, hey Steve, hello Into Blue.
I been gone a while on a bogus vacation of sorts, might as well jump into the deep end here goes. I don't really know who your friend is but, if this slight nuesance (spelling?) is still going on the practical thing to do is to while still knitting the eyes to the correct position is to imagine yourself in your most beloved meditative state, soon... , my friend you will find yourself there, in the good place. Peace be with you my Bretheryn glad I could help, that'l be five million dollars, ha , just kidding. By the way, what's up with the word bretheryn (this can't be the correct spelling... can it?). You'd think there would be a word to call us all girls hu guys. Well, I'm thinking. Oh yeagh, I just remembered (by the way I am heterosexual) Valkyrie. If Tom Cruise can be a valkyrie then so can I. I'll see you Valkyries later. Sat Tat Om Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 05, 2010 12:42 am Hello everybody, hey Steve, hello Into Blue. I been gone a while on a bogus vacation of sorts, might as well jump into the deep end here goes. I don't really know who your friend is but, if this slight nuesance (spelling?) is still going on the practical thing to do is to while still knitting the eyes to the correct position is to imagine yourself in your most beloved meditative state, soon... , my friend you will find yourself there, in the good place. Peace be with you my Bretheryn glad I could help, that'l be five million dollars, ha , just kidding. By the way, what's up with the word bretheryn (this can't be the correct spelling... can it?). You'd think there would be a word to call us all girls hu guys. Well, I'm thinking. Oh yeagh, I just remembered (by the way I am heterosexual) Valkyrie. If Tom Cruise can be a valkyrie then so can I. I'll see you Valkyries later. Sat Tat Om It is good to have you back Godwolf. Nuisance? He (my friend) was just helping us as he often does. You don't find God by nodding at him and it is a bad practice to fall asleep while meditating with others because it takes down their vibration when they are trying to lift it. So we are all trying to find ways to help our meditation. Many people spend many years of their lives sleepitating and not meditating. This is just one more ego illusion that the spiritual aspirant can fall into and i have been guilty of it myself. What a waste of time! Better just to lay down and get some sleep or have some good friend tap you. That is what good friends are for... When the eyes are level you are in normal thinking consiousness. When the eyes are raised you are lifting your consciousness. When they are lowered you fall into the the subconscious state more easily. When we fall asleep we are losing our focus. The consciousness falls into a blank state or into a dream state. This has nothing to do with meditation. We may loose some physical consciousness but not consciousness in meditation. For in true meditation we are always aware. Even more aware than usual. It may feel natural to fall asleep. It may feel natural to do many things. Here we are speaking of the super natural. That which transcends the natural states. It is only natural because we have been accustumed to living in a delusive state so long. When we truly wake up these higher states become natural and what we experienced before become suffocating and unnatural. Brethren? (religious brotherhood) Where did you read that? It is good concept. Didn't see the movie Goldwolf. Must have been good. Jai Guru Steve falling asleep.... it not a bad thing to happen while meditating. the point of meditation....is to withdraw senses from outside, to inside..... aka...lose physical consciousness...and place it inner. when body....falls asleep,,,all we are doing is losing focus on the physical or waking consciousness...and focusing on inner consciousness....or the inner consciousness'....sub and super. there is nothing wrong with falling asleep....it is natural to do so...when we first start practicing meditation...altho...this should cease, the more one practices. with experience...one , during meditation, should be able to move thru every consciousness...'awake'... or 'in the knowing'....in awareness..... i think.... ? :D ;) Love & (((Hugs))) bn Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Katze on Feb 05, 2010 05:06 am Welcome back Goldwolf
I hope your vacation was an enjoyable one. What ? you are charging for your meditational advice, hmmmm a bit too pricey if you ask me, lol ! Steve, sleepitating ? What a unique way to put it, you should contact Webster and have him add it to the dictionary. Quote When the eyes are level you are in normal thinking consiousness. When the eyes are raised you are lifting your consciousness. When they are lowered you fall into the the subconscious state more easily. This makes so much sense, never thought about it like that. Into Blue Title: Re: yogic discovery -- working across the field of "instrument(s)...??? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 07, 2010 08:18 am Even with eyes as slits or partly open, the gaze may be fixed upon the spiritual horizon, --- we should consider that "spiritual gaze" does not equate directly to "physical peering" -- although they are as cousins, or shadow companion...? Consider that even if physical eye's light receptors gather physical light -- and futher flow to visual cortex facilities in the brain -- yet further consider -- is it plausible there may exist even more subtle experiential apparatus? Another key conceptual pondering, is that while the finer "bodies" / "aparatus" / "instrument" are contained within the grosser bodies -- the finer are never obscured by the grosser. It is entirely plausible, from a scientific and especially yogic perspective, for a yogi to "filter" out the grosser physical light at any of the paths leading inward to the consciousness. This may be by physically using the eyelids or a darkened room, or perhaps even by biophysical / metaphysical yogic disciplines that filter the senses in general -- sight is not just from the eyeballs and optic nerves, it is also in the centers of the visual cortex... and then we delve to more subtle instrument layers of the yogic instruments... it seems such a great grace to exist across all the realms (i.e. - human physical incarnation) in unfolding moment... seems the capacity to observe, strive, and integrate direct experience is a great potential dynamo for devotee... to work the "field" from both ends, from all angles, and permutations... directly percieve that even the mundane can have great value... at any rate, it is a pondering... have a great day, and shall we strive to live fully in wonder, good cheer, compassion, and eyes of a child ?! i suppose we are slowly becoming more aware of this finer apparatus. The more subtle instruments. We have listened to the noise of the senses so long that even when we do witness the more deeper levels we often negate them by the ego's ever present ability to belittle these shy encounters you have talked about in your last post. It does leave me with the eyes of a child. So much curiosity as to how we got here and what it all means to move thru this moment of awreness and learning. To integrate it all. Even at this moment when we seem to merge in common thought and experience.... i pray to be closer to your beings and that you will be in my most inspiring thoughts that surround you.... flourish in this temple and partake in uncanny proficiency as once structured minds outwardly unfold before you- word by word, thought by thought- drink now and smile. an echoed voice rings through out my being... chilling... welcome brother, welcome sister. welcome one whose center is nothing- circumference, everything. all encompassing, all embracing- almighty, divinity within- primordial abyss. question. questioning expansion. unclear? subconscious blocks? or a breaking down of once, mass- molded beliefs? forever expanding- brother, wont you do this, please? place yourself, outside yourself- and breath. close your eyes and imagine your being- being something worth seeing- not seen- brother, please! feel these words, not for me- for, we- together can share this place here- and together, we can mutually understand one another... something profound, connecting..... where are we going? :D Title: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 23, 2010 02:12 pm and there is such chaos to deal with, lol ! ;D just teasing you..... that must take some getting used to, the positioning of the eyes and leaving them slightly open. I usually close my eyes, and even though I am sitting up when meditating and not laying down, there is a tendency to fall asleep. Usually though, this is due more to lack of sleep than anything else. I will give this idea a try. Thanks both of you. Into Blue Paramahansa writes in lesson #154: "But as fully open eyes suggest wakefulness and closed eyes suggest sleep, so half-open eyes signify the physiological state of the eyes during ecstasy. As it is hard to sleep and keep the eyes closed when one is fully awake, and hard to awaken and force the eyes open when one is asleep, so it is difficult to keep the eyes upturned with the lids half-open and half closed. But by practice, you will find your eyes naturally focused at the point between the eyebrows" When the golden glow of the spiritual disc starts to manifest it becomes more easier. Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Katze on Mar 23, 2010 07:25 pm Wow ! Lesson # 154, I have a long way to go ! It just amazes me how Yogananda has the answers to so many questions. No wonder it is a good idea, to keep re- reading all the lessons, just to refresh one's memory on helpful meditational practices and to keep reminding us to practice ! I keep hearing this echo, lol ! :D
Interesting the flow of Yogananda's comment about " the golden glow of the spiritual disc " and the yellow glow of your post. :) Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: gypsy soul on Sep 12, 2010 11:00 pm I find it is easier to focus on the third eye with the eyes closed, my personal preference
like anything, I think this varies with the individual ? your sweet soul sister ♥ Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Goldwolf on Nov 10, 2010 12:01 pm Hello everybody. Hey, sorry Into Blue for being childishly hard on you in that last posting. It'l never happen again. I had a I suppose for a while sometimes hidden mental problem that is now 100% healed through Om. I didn't realize my mind had deteriorated so much. It shouldn't take too long to track down every stupid posting I have here on this site. I know I have some really good ones as well though. Surprized myself more than once on this journey of spirituality that we are taking together my friends.
So here I am practicing the concentration tecnique and Om over the years sometimes meditating enough and sometimes not and now I finally through God's love have conquered some deficiency or curse on my mind. God is good to give the remedy before the noticable aspect of the disease has appeared. Om used to be the hardest technique for me. I never really said I can't do it but I sure felt that way. Now all I need is a quiet place to do the technique. I can do the technique correctly within a few seconds but it's really good when I do my yoga routine in order. Thanks for your time my friends it feels good to be back. Steve, you helped me so much, thanks for everything brother. Sat Tat Om Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: guest88 on Nov 10, 2010 07:13 pm hi goldwolf
there's a lot of love in your post thank you friend blessings Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 10, 2010 07:42 pm hi goldwolf there's a lot of love in your post thank you friend blessings Yes i think so too! i also believe there are many illusions in our lives that we are exposed to. This whole life is an illusion; a kind of a dream. It should not come as a surprise to any of us that we have many personal illusions of our own. This has been my experience. Jitendra Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Goldwolf on Nov 11, 2010 03:00 pm Thanks friends. Your support means everything to me. From the day I first looked at the cover of Autobiograpy of a Yogi until today a lot has happened. By no means am I perfect. I'm a decent person who tries to do the right thing but the rules and/or guide lines for a yogi is harder so though greatly improved from where I started I still have a long way to go.
For instance my friends I wrote on I think maybe only this board about my difficulty with the Om technique. For a while I only had minimal results. I would notice parts working such as hearing various sounds in my body while the sound of God's voice, the cosmic vibration, still eluded me. Or I God. I worked on this technique a lot and now this is no longer true. At first Om would only work on seemingly random days. The first time it happened I was in disbelief or shock. It's like a person who witnesses a miracle and because it's not the norm still denies it for a while. Well, the second time was different. I felt as though I knew I was going to die the astral Om sound was so loud. After ups and downs for months or years (please excuse me, I'm still catching up to myself!) so after some time the irregularity just left. I can now succesfully do the technique everytime and I am pleased to say I can get it going within a few seconds. It is my personal experience in Om that whatever I need God will give me. In Om I feel as though I am moving through God. I can move through God and feel different positive spiritual vibrations. Anything you can think of is already there. Om is always new. Sometimes it's as if I'm traveling through Om and sometimes it's as though I let go of even my choice to do this and just let God take me where he (she) will. My state of spirituality is becoming where through God's blessing I can finally express effectively my love for yoga meditation because I know the words to say now as well as the meditation itself being that much better as well as proof of God's existance that I can brag about. I'm not sure my heart can hold all the love I am so pleased with my success with the Om technique as well as pleased to share this with my friends, I love you all, surely we are brothers and sisters. Because of my ectatic state I have to remind myself that there is more to do. I still have to learn Kriya but at least I won't feel as though I am a failure until I do so. Maybe I shouldn't remind myself that I am over ten years late already for Kriya! Surely I am one of God's stupidest students. The worst yogi on the planet. I'm last in line with several faults but I am full of God's love and love for others. I pray that by God's grace to learn Kriya next year. At least I'm not stressed about it. See you in cyberspace friends Sat Tat Om Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 11, 2010 07:05 pm Thanks friends. Your support means everything to me. From the day I first looked at the cover of Autobiograpy of a Yogi until today a lot has happened. By no means am I perfect. I'm a decent person who tries to do the right thing but the rules and/or guide lines for a yogi is harder so though greatly improved from where I started I still have a long way to go. For instance my friends I wrote on I think maybe only this board about my difficulty with the Om technique. For a while I only had minimal results. I would notice parts working such as hearing various sounds in my body while the sound of God's voice, the cosmic vibration, still eluded me. Or I God. I worked on this technique a lot and now this is no longer true. At first Om would only work on seemingly random days. The first time it happened I was in disbelief or shock. It's like a person who witnesses a miracle and because it's not the norm still denies it for a while. Well, the second time was different. I felt as though I knew I was going to die the astral Om sound was so loud. After ups and downs for months or years (please excuse me, I'm still catching up to myself!) so after some time the irregularity just left. I can now succesfully do the technique everytime and I am pleased to say I can get it going within a few seconds. It is my personal experience in Om that whatever I need God will give me. In Om I feel as though I am moving through God. I can move through God and feel different positive spiritual vibrations. Anything you can think of is already there. Om is always new. Sometimes it's as if I'm traveling through Om and sometimes it's as though I let go of even my choice to do this and just let God take me where he (she) will. My state of spirituality is becoming where through God's blessing I can finally express effectively my love for yoga meditation because I know the words to say now as well as the meditation itself being that much better as well as proof of God's existance that I can brag about. I'm not sure my heart can hold all the love I am so pleased with my success with the Om technique as well as pleased to share this with my friends, I love you all, surely we are brothers and sisters. Because of my ectatic state I have to remind myself that there is more to do. I still have to learn Kriya but at least I won't feel as though I am a failure until I do so. Maybe I shouldn't remind myself that I am over ten years late already for Kriya! Surely I am one of God's stupidest students. The worst yogi on the planet. I'm last in line with several faults but I am full of God's love and love for others. I pray that by God's grace to learn Kriya next year. At least I'm not stressed about it. See you in cyberspace friends Sat Tat Om (http://www.firstpeople.us/pictures/wolves/1024x768/tn/cb_Howling_at_the_Moon-(1024x768).jpg) oooooomm! Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Katze on Nov 12, 2010 11:13 am Goldwolf, shall we try this again ? Welcome back, dancing up and down with joy at your return :D how's that ? you apology is accepted, thank you
I am happy to hear you are feeling so connected with OM ! blessings, Into Blue Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Goldwolf on Nov 13, 2010 09:38 am Thank you Into Blue, Gonefishin and Steve. As all our lives are connected my friends through your support I built myself into a better person. Into Blue I been reading your posts for a while and Steve I can eisily recall reading your great posts over the last couple years. To find wisdom in a friend is priceless and Steve has and endless amount. There is so much on this board I can stop pretending I don't have some catching up to do. There's no way I can comment on every post and that wouldn't make much sense at all but God put this in my life and I am going to learn from it or continue to do so rather.
Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Beatrice Landcaster on Nov 14, 2010 10:43 am Thank you Into Blue, Gonefishin and Steve. As all our lives are connected my friends through your support I built myself into a better person. Into Blue I been reading your posts for a while and Steve I can eisily recall reading your great posts over the last couple years. To find wisdom in a friend is priceless and Steve has and endless amount. There is so much on this board I can stop pretending I don't have some catching up to do. There's no way I can comment on every post and that wouldn't make much sense at all but God put this in my life and I am going to learn from it or continue to do so rather. Ah comon' goldy lox that Steve is just a road side philosopher. He's gotta lot of hot steam comin' out of the kettle. It makes my head vaporize just to think of it. Let me give ya the real stuff. Fill up on a little of my moonshine special and you'll see the world through a golden halo. I mix it with a little hot honey so it goes down smoothly when I a start preachin' it. I'm tellin' ya son ya got to get your soul saved. You all know what I'm talkin' about. That's what I've been talkin' about all along. Just gotta get in da rhythm of things goldy. ya been to influenced by some high atmospheric pressure. By those meteorologist sages on the weather channel. Rest in ma's arms babe you'll be O.K. Beady Title: Re: past pattern addictions may be shifted to good habits... Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 22, 2010 10:11 am ...the manner of verbally or writting apologies or such... seems when sincere to be a state of awareness of being grateful... of moving beyond... learning, growing. It seems to me that we see our lives take on certain trends over the years. Past patterns are not so easy to expunge from our consciousness and thus we feel shame because we still play the old grooves. Seeing the trends of our life eroding the patterns of addiction we take some comfort that we are headed in the right direction. There is nothing static. We are either moving forward or going backwards, No one can determine our strides but God. Yet at times we are reflective and want to see progress. Otherwise it become discouraging . Perhaps this is part of the cause of the shame.we may consider that "shame" is a sin... see "The Holy Science". why shame a sin ? we are not the action -- although the law of cause and effect (karma) from actions may come... if we continue to attach to past patterns / former completed actions because of "shame" everytime we recall, then we will continue to be pounded by the waves of the karmas... instead, pull the weed and plant a flower in it's place. it is just as easy to exhibit a good habit as a bad habit... it's often simply a matter of recognition, and harnessing will power to erode the pattern of addiction, and grooves set by repeated moments of addictive actions of bad habit... but I spout on in words perhaps not relevant... namaste... Jitendra Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: blue nova on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 pm no...no going backwards soul will travel ;) it can stagnate.....stay still...yet it cannot go backwards.
evolution happens...on a constant basis. evolution moves fowards....not backwards. god sees no bad. only Love and Fowards he / she sees....progression. if we seem to go backwards....then we should stop, take good hard look , reflection/introspection.....and then, we may see that life, aint so bad...we, are not so bad.... ?? (((Hugs))) Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Beatrice Landcaster on Nov 23, 2010 08:44 am no...no going backwards soul will travel ;) it can stagnate.....stay still...yet it cannot go backwards. Honey you aint' goin' backwards or forwards ya all been zigzagging sideways. You oughta take that sidewinder off and take a fresh approach to things. Smell the roses honey. There's no forward; ya all should be just goin' upwards. Forward is just taken you into one hell of a mess. You can't win for loosin'. Once you see the light honey you'll be alrite.evolution happens...on a constant basis. evolution moves fowards....not backwards. god sees no bad. only Love and Fowards he / she sees....progression. if we seem to go backwards....then we should stop, take good hard look , reflection/introspection.....and then, we may see that life, aint so bad...we, are not so bad.... ?? (((Hugs))) Beatrice Landcaster Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 25, 2010 07:30 am no...no going backwards soul will travel ;) it can stagnate.....stay still...yet it cannot go backwards. Honey you aint' goin' backwards or forwards ya all been zigzagging sideways. You oughta take that sidewinder off and take a fresh approach to things. Smell the roses honey. There's no forward; ya all should be just goin' upwards. Forward is just taken you into one hell of a mess. You can't win for loosin'. Once you see the light honey you'll be alrite.evolution happens...on a constant basis. evolution moves fowards....not backwards. god sees no bad. only Love and Fowards he / she sees....progression. if we seem to go backwards....then we should stop, take good hard look , reflection/introspection.....and then, we may see that life, aint so bad...we, are not so bad.... ?? (((Hugs))) Beatrice Landcaster i 've got a question for you Beady. What makes you such an expert on all these varied subjects? Did you learn this from your husband... your children? Or does it all come naturally? Steve Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: blue nova on Nov 27, 2010 03:40 pm love u too Beady.... :D
;) (((Hugs))) <3<3<3 bn Title: Re: pranams and warmest regards Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Dec 17, 2010 09:42 pm pranams and warmest regards, we may consider... there is a time and a season for all things... there is no wasted effort, it's simply a matter of relativity... there is no timeline, no schedule... each is unique, and only each will know how it is to unfold... as it unfolds... namaste Please remember until that time and season comes; one such as myself is thinking of you and Into Blue. i have not heard from you for a while but there is 'no timeline...no schedule..... Steve Title: Re: pranams and warmest regards Post by: Katze on Dec 17, 2010 11:09 pm pranams and warmest regards, we may consider... Please remember until that time and season comes that one such as myself is thinking of you and Into Blue. i have not heard from you for a while but there is 'no timeline...no schedulethere is a time and a season for all things... there is no wasted effort, it's simply a matter of relativity... there is no timeline, no schedule... each is unique, and only each will know how it is to unfold... as it unfolds... namaste Steve Steve you are in my thoughts and prayers , even when my presence here is absent. Thank you for your thoughts. Greetings to namaste2All also. peace, love & (((hugs))) Into Blue Title: Re: Position of Eyes in Meditation Post by: Giancarlo on Nov 22, 2011 08:22 am Just let the eyes rest gently as they will during both Deep Meditation and Spinal Breathing. Nothing special happens with the eyes when the attention reaches the brow at the end of the in-breath during Spinal Breathing. You may find at some point that your eyes naturally want to rise up during practices, and centre towards the middle of your brow. This is called sambhavi mudra. If this is happening, then that is fine, as long as any increased energy flows (ecstasy) are not distracting you from your practices. |