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Title: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: guest88 on Sep 16, 2016 01:30 am not to sound grim but the older i get the more i think of death. we all have to die and i wonder if there are any documented cases of spiritual masters passing away.
we will all face death and this personality will cease to exist. . . as far as i know . . . ? ? ? Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Sep 16, 2016 03:16 am not to sound grim but the older i get the more i think of death. we all have to die and i wonder if there are any documented cases of spiritual masters passing away. we will all face death and this personality will cease to exist. . . as far as i know . . . ? ? ? Nomaste Eric, With Pluto transiting the ascendent these kind of questions are likely to come up. U are thinking more about death and rebirth. It is also more likely that you yourself may have death and rebirths during this time and someone or something may be taken out of your life so life can reawaken differently for you. There is quite a bit of info on Yogananda's death since it happened at the Baltimore Hotel in Los Angeles and he apparently told many of his close devotees he would pass on. He gave an inspiring speech and after the last words he fell to the ground in front of an auditorium and was pronounced dead on the spot. Jitendra He was also intuitive to such a degree that he predicted his own death. “I will not die in bed, but with my boots on, speaking of God and India.” After he gave a speech in 1952 and ended with a reading from his poem “My India”, he lifted his eyes upward and entered mahasamadhi, an advanced yogi’s earth exit. He had died as he had lived,exhorting man to know God. (from the Introduction of Man’s Eternal Quest) Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: ding dong on Sep 16, 2016 01:21 pm I'm not sure what you mean by "documented cases" but you might like this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYe34M2T_g8 Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: ding dong on Sep 16, 2016 01:34 pm By documented cases you mean stories about the day they died?
Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: the 10 moods of dr. kook on Sep 16, 2016 05:14 pm By documented cases you mean stories about the day they died? The Doc needs u for a demented case! ::) Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Sep 16, 2016 05:55 pm I'm not sure what you mean by "documented cases" but you might like this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYe34M2T_g8 i share moments of Joy with u and thanks for sharing such a wonderful experience with us also Oshos explanation for dying at the hands of fanatical Christians which he spoke very little of...a victory over persecution.... .....instead leaving us with his incredible humor and his joyess presence! By documented cases you mean stories about the day they died? The Doc needs u for a demented case! ::) Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: the 10 moods of dr. kook on Sep 16, 2016 10:30 pm Yea doc-u-ment-it!
Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: guest88 on Sep 16, 2016 10:44 pm thanks for the replies guys. ding dong, i meant video recording of a person passing.
i do appreciate the osho video, very interesting. Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Sep 17, 2016 04:40 am I'm not sure what you mean by "documented cases" but you might like this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYe34M2T_g8 Now i lay me down to sleep. i pray the Lord my soul to keep. And if i die in pain and need. Let me laugh and joke, Like Osho please. Amen Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: guest88 on Sep 20, 2016 02:44 am something i am still puzzled by. last night i was meditating and my mind came back to this and these thoughts i could not seem to let go of so i stopped meditating... my mind went off to think of death and i felt an immense sorrow or pain. perhaps i just need to adjust my perception. i think i've been through this before, i think i've experienced death before. i thought, if i live in love, for the moment... build family and friends see a connectedness here in this world i am still fearful. most will say this is my ego, so be it. but i think of the mind. if you ever chat with yourself, that voice inside, disappears. not just "the voice" but everything you've shared and witnessed turns into nothing. mainly i hurt because of the love shared between people, the memories stored in the mind... this will all turn off. maybe i love myself, my personality and to think that my personality will cease, a scary thought. of course, the older eric who used to meditate daily and be vegetarian and practice his belief more would probably have this different perception the current eric seeks lol. my beliefs then were more of a knowing and didn't need all this questioning. yet i still feel this pain... funny things is i used to never get sad as a child when family members would pass. even my grandma told me she knew when she was going to die and had no fear. what a brave woman ....
hmm Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: ding dong on Sep 20, 2016 04:05 am Beautiful post, Eric!
:) Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: ding dong on Sep 20, 2016 04:13 am Ramana used to point out how everyone looks forward to going to sleep and quitting all their thoughts and impressions for a while. In sleep, we are dipping into the Self unconsciously. In fact, the unconsciousness is a superimposition on the Turiya state. Also, when we are enjoying lovely thoughts and perceptions in the waking state those are also a reflection of the bliss of the Self.
:-* When Ramana was dying he said, "They say that I am leaving. Where could I go? I am here." Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Sep 20, 2016 04:54 am something i am still puzzled by. last night i was meditating and my mind came back to this and these thoughts i could not seem to let go of so i stopped meditating... my mind went off to think of death and i felt an immense sorrow or pain. perhaps i just need to adjust my perception. i think i've been through this before, i think i've experienced death before. i thought, if i live in love, for the moment... build family and friends see a connectedness here in this world i am still fearful. most will say this is my ego, so be it. but i think of the mind. if you ever chat with yourself, that voice inside, disappears. not just "the voice" but everything you've observed, shared and witnessed turns into nothing. mainly i hurt because of the love shared between people, the memories stored in the mind... this will all turn off. maybe i love myself, my personality and to think that my personality will cease, a scary thought. of course, the older eric who used to meditate daily and be vegetarian and practice his belief more would probably have this different perception the current eric seeks lol. my beliefs then were more of a knowing and didn't need all this questioning. yet i still feel this pain... funny things is i used to never get sad as a child when family members would pass. even my grandma told me she knew when she was going to die and had no fear. what a brave woman .... hmm i just had a wondeful meditation Eric and you were very much a part of it. i tried to break thru and find its meaning as i brought u so close to my consciousness but i was stopped at feeling close and any more answers were undisclosed. At times it is not for us to know why... only to know and acknowledge acting on our inner stirrings. It can be almost as though there are gaurdian angels preparing us for the changes ahead. As you know there are such intuitions and it is for us to cooperate in their assistance or to make matters worst by taking them in our own hands and go on in our routines until we run recklessly up against a wall. There are things and people that hold us in karmic bondage. Somethings must go...only to make way for a better you! Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: guest88 on Sep 20, 2016 08:11 pm thank you steve for your thoughts and thank you brock for sharing what you've learned. i'll let it go after this but brock, the sleeping mind is still a mind with an on switch. maybe passing in your sleep isn't so bad...? but witnessing yourself shut down is still mind boggling.
i think maybe meditation helps with passing away. i think learning to be selfless helps. who knows... maybe we're born so we can learn how to die (among other things...) Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: mccoy on Sep 21, 2016 01:46 pm not to sound grim but the older i get the more i think of death. we all have to die and i wonder if there are any documented cases of spiritual masters passing away. we will all face death and this personality will cease to exist. . . as far as i know . . . ? ? ? Daemoon, it is an assured thing that our bodies are going to die, but science today is suggesting some methods to manipulate karma and postpone the moment of death. Pls see the 'thread on longevity' I just opened in the healt section. Also, it would be interesting to discuss the relationship between the moment of death as foreseen by our karma and the possibility to prevent such death by wise manipulation of the genetic pathways which rule the decay of body with age. This includes the adjustment of our behaviour to avoid stupid things which would endanger our life. Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Sep 21, 2016 05:04 pm Thanks mccoy....it will take sometime. One of the things we recognize after being on this 🌎 a while is that life is not as black and white as we initially have it figured out to b and many of the people and things we encounter are in fact not as good for us as we initially had thought but then in contradistinction to this we find that many of the things we thought to be difficult and bad for us end up being the best thing for us and just what we needed. So i am not always a fan of using will power but more often a fan of surrendering to divine will. As we have witnessed many times the Masters have proclaimed the time of their transition...seeming to know divine order and the best time to move on to other places where God has further plans for us. In which case staying here literally delays such opportunities and duties.
Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Rod Sterling on Sep 21, 2016 10:11 pm Thanks mccoy....it will take sometime. One of the things we recognize after being on this 🌎 a while is that life is not as black and white as we initially have it figured out to b and many of the people and things we encounter are in fact not as good for us as we initially had thought but then in contradistinction to this we find that many of the things we thought to be difficult and bad for us end up being the best thing for us and just what we needed. So i am not always a fan of using will power but more often a fan of surrendering to divine will. As we have witnessed many times the Masters have proclaimed the time of their transition...seeming to know divine order and the best time to move on to other places where God has further plans for us. In which case staying here literally delays such opportunities and duties. No shock. No engulfment. No tearing assunder. What you feared would come like an explosion is like a whisper. What you thought was the end is the beginning. Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Willie the Shake on Sep 28, 2016 03:32 pm thank you steve for your thoughts and thank you brock for sharing what you've learned. i'll let it go after this but brock, the sleeping mind is still a mind with an on switch. maybe passing in your sleep isn't so bad...? but witnessing yourself shut down is still mind boggling. i think maybe meditation helps with passing away. i think learning to be selfless helps. who knows... maybe we're born so we can learn how to die (among other things...) Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. Of all the wonders that I yet have heard, It seems to me most strange that men should fear; Seeing that death, a necessary end, Will come when it will come. Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: mccoy on Oct 02, 2016 01:30 pm ... As we have witnessed many times the Masters have proclaimed the time of their transition...seeming to know divine order and the best time to move on to other places where God has further plans for us. In which case staying here literally delays such opportunities and duties. That seems to be a prerogative of masters alone, not uf us lowly mortals. Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 02, 2016 01:57 pm ... As we have witnessed many times the Masters have proclaimed the time of their transition...seeming to know divine order and the best time to move on to other places where God has further plans for us. In which case staying here literally delays such opportunities and duties. That seems to be a prerogative of masters alone, not uf us lowly mortals. It may be that we just need to tune in to the divine plan better so we also know our time and purpose. In reality we are divine beings not lowly mortals. We are Gods children and we have to reclaim our true heritage as sons and daughters of the divine. Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: mccoy on Oct 04, 2016 10:56 am Steve, I agree substantially, although we still remain unrealized souls, so until we realize our immortality we still don the garb of lowly mortals.
Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 04, 2016 01:21 pm Steve, I agree substantially, although we still remain unrealized souls, so until we realize our immortality we still don the garb of lowly mortals. No doubt we may have a lot to work on if we are going to attain our potential. Can't we start with not demeaning our true nature? Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 10, 2016 01:16 am Steve, I agree substantially, although we still remain unrealized souls, so until we realize our immortality we still don the garb of lowly mortals. Man must realize he is not a fleshly being. Nor should we categorize ourselves as Hindu or Americans or any other conception we may have of ourselves that is limiting and sense bound. It is wrong of us to say that we are mortals when we are essentially made of immortal stuff. It is truth that we are God's, and it is error to call ourselves weaklings. Only by realizing our oneness with God may we completely break our self-created imaginary limitations of accidents, failure, lack, dis-ease, and death. God has everything--health, efficiency, wisdom, love, joy--and to be one with Him is to have, as his own child, access to everything that he has. - Paramahansa YoganandaTitle: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: mccoy on Oct 10, 2016 02:44 pm Only by realizing our oneness with God may we completely break our self-created imaginary limitations of accidents, failure, lack, dis-ease, and death. Again, easier said than done. My remark is not something negative, rather an observation stemmed from experience. It's not like actuating a switch. I wish it. That's something which is extremely difficult and which is achieved after lives of dedicated efforts. That's a condition we must actually reach, not something we can think about and our mere thinking makes it true. Title: Re: any videos of spiritual masters passing? Post by: ding dong on Oct 10, 2016 10:40 pm Quote That's a condition we must actually reach, not something we can think about and our mere thinking makes it true. To the contrary, I would argue that it is precisely the mere thinking which does make all the difference. That is the meaning we should take from self-created imaginary limitations. Where else do these limitations exist if not in the mind, and how else are they created if not by thinking? Yogananda himself is reported to have said that if you said with conviction that you were free you would be. Someone pressed him, "But of course, it wouldn't be that easy would it?" Yogananda pointed out that the very question itself revealed the problem. (source is conversations with Yogananda, a book I no longer have) Which is entirely in the mind. If not there, then where? If not now, then when? Yogananda himself also said that evolution was just a suggestion in the mind (same book). So, you can be pretty sure that you aren't actually getting anywhere. hehe HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA nee ner nee ner nee ner :P :P :P :P :P :P HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |