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Humanity needs to free itself from religion. The only way is through deep insight into one's own mind.

Religion is false. But one has to discover it for himself through self awareness.

Belief is a form of violence.

And violence is a form of belief! How about a dog biting his own tail?

It appears to b a good form of violence since I believe that if I put my hand ✋ into fire 🔥 I will get burned and i believe that when I read Ramana Maharshis sayings I will b spiritually helped.

I need to free myself from humanity and all the asinine things they do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vev-OzHQy94

Ah yes... the other side of the coin. Everything can b good/bad. It is learning discrimination that helps us decide correctly.

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Why do we need religion?

It's with a heavy heart that I say goodbye to religion. But it would be a calamity for humanity if by the year 3000 we had not yet transcended it.

yes religion is a cult of weariness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43PX7LkCzxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln5fVgM0gLQ

Possibly because everyone is on a different spiritual level or learning/understanding.

It works for some because that's where they're at.

If for example someone is into Jehovah Witness, if that leads to God eventually, then it worked for them.

Just an opinion.

Of course, I used to think that too but it now seems delusional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be2LtDKTYhE

That view with levels is condescending and silly. All the cults are just traps people get caught in.

But People are at different levels of understanding, are they not?

Where are the levels?

The levels seem imaginary to me.

I'm not an expert in typing definitions. Nor of using language for communication.

All I know is that there are folk that understand things *differently*. Like you.

Had a chance to watch this. So my first thought immediately was, every religion or cult or whatever has stories from people who have left. Either to join another one, or just ditch the whole thing and form their own theories.

But my ongoing thought before I watched this, and keep in mind this is just what I think, is that these people were at least exposed to God in some way, some small seed was planted. Now it could be that for a particular spirit, this was the way needed to begin a process. Some people learn the easy way, some learn the hard way. Maybe due to past karma or who knows what. IMHO.

Excellent point Jeff. Most people would not even have a clue what Brock is saying. It takes a certain amount of metaphysical knowledge to even get your head around such topics. i would prefer to describe it quite differently; Old Souls. Once you start giving to others of a like nature u begin to attract others. In the process of giving you receive and sometimes from beings you recognize to be on a 'different level' then yourself.

So i do not see it as condescending at all but rather a recognition that often you are blessed to be in the presence of someone who is lifting you up by the boot straps. It is a humbling situation but necessary to seeing just what someone else has to offer and is giving you. Sometimes others shake us up a bit when r ego gets out of hand and it is quite evident. So people on a higher level have helped in that way. When someones ego is quite obnoxious and u recognize it you may have to let someone else know because they could really benefit from the knowledge and it can be obvious. We live in a sick society in the sense that ego is looked at as helpful to success. Yet at times it is all too obvious that spiritually is lacking in products of our society. For instance: Donald Trump. Quite often his statements are not only uncalled for but they are obnoxious. Most women recognize this in his unflattering and condescending statements made by him about them.


Si said people are at 'Different levels of understanding.' i see nothing offensive about this but then again i respect Brocks 'level of understanding,' and have listened to him and others who have taken difference with my statements.  This is because i believe friends can only help us if they can let us know kindly about our comments that can be considered offensive.

hello brock. i have very ambiguous feelings about your statement so as much as i have tried i cannot answer directly. it seems to me it is not so much religion but rather ideology and the mind that separates people into categories. These r views that separate people indefinitely and sometimes for life. u see it happening between friends and people who have at one time loved one another. It shows a lack of love and empathy. This is not the fault of religion but rather the people in religion. It is the stubbornness and obstinance of people and their views. There r many people who have claimed undying love and friendship who will never talk again. People who use religion to justify fighting to the death for their views and untold atrocities and cruelness to others because of their views. How can this be true religion? In this sense i agree with u because i do not see how people can claim to be religious and spiritual and at the same time refuse to communicate with others and cut them off permanently. Worst yet to believe they r right about their views and the other persons are completely in the wrong. This shows a total lack of understanding in the name of religion which is really just the coldness of the human heart.

Hi steve,

You know, often times emotions are scrutinized. perhaps it is because we've undeveloped minds as a collective.

We are a young species blessed with an evolving intellect but still within its infant stage as a whole.

This world feels like a training ground at times.

This was Brock's question:
Eric....i tried my best to answer it. i obviously do not have all the answers. But as far as i can see your response has no connection with the question. Your response, while true, is unrelated to the question unless i am missing something? Perhaps u have an answer to the question.

On the other hand your statement could be used for the topic of another thread. You chose the title and we can go from there. i believe u and i have experienced much emotional scrutiny together over the years with acquaintances, friends and lovers. One thing leads to another. There r many among us who see the world as not a 'training ground' where we learn from one another but instead as a place of increasing separation and isolation.The 'collective' element often separates us by minds that have undeveloped hearts. Increasing intellect without a corresponding development of wisdom often gives the prospective of manipulating people like objects of use rather then honoring their spirit as part of a expanding collective whole that includes us all.

hi steve,

my post was in response to yours just above it.

one may not necessarily need religion to live a spiritual life but rather then focusing on what religion has quickly become or blaming aspects of religion that foster greed i am looking at what religion means for most individuals.

considering my earlier post....

i'm merely stating, from a humble and naive perspective, that religion is an expression. if we are truly in our infant stage in this realm then our understanding of life is skewed.

i don't think anyone here has all the answers  :D not even the masters we follow and appreciate :o

I think most people don't really appreciate the tragedy of a person devoting their life to some nonsensical cult. Are we just to think, "Oh, well too bad but they weren't on my level to begin with. They needed remedial courses and now they are ready to start on a path like mine. Good luck next life, Jack. Life's a boot camp." That seems to me to be a very delusional way of thinking. I think if people really grok'd that people waste their lives on religion, and also waste other people's lives, they'd understand why my comments seem so rash and perhaps extreme. Take an accurate account. How does religion play out actually? In theory it's supposed to do this and that, whatever. What does it actually do and yes...again...

Why do we need it?

No one ever thinks their own cult is a cult.

Yes 👍 religion can only reflect the attitudes and consciousness of those who practice it. It could be much more beneficial to the 🌎 if the people who often claim to adhere to it were not so 😢 cruel to others.

My heart breaks for humanity because I know it doesn't really need religion...

although we do need something to go within...the arts, painting, literature, conversation, love, meditation, inquiry...

there's so many things.

music

my first experience with presence was probably with music...playing with a band...you touch that place and all you can think about is getting back there...

I mean the falseness of it is palpable for me...

Some people need the rituals though. We are not made all equal.