Spiritual Portal

Always been fascinated by these stories.

I have had a few myself, but never was anything spiritual, I was not aware of anything while I was "gone".

But in others' experiences, one thing I notice besides the common "light at the end of a tunnel", is that a spirit(s) will meet them and tell them it's not their "time", or there are still "things for you to do".

One subject comes to mind here is the free will, or choice, topic. Some folks seem to have the option of staying or going back.

And Time, where something needs to play out and must fit in with "Time".

But what gets me thinking more is, it seems like a very nice situation to have an NDE, and experience things like meeting Jesus, I'm not complaining or wish I had one, but how different a lot of lives would be if we all could have something like an NDE. It seems like they are the chosen ones, as it were. Some of these folks grew up thinking God hated them, or were atheists. Then He comes and sets it straight.

There are so many of these stories, and all have a lot in common, I can only conclude that there is truth being revealed, yet so many on this planet still think it's all BS. How can that be?

maybe it is their desire to live that keeps them alive ?

to call an NDE BS seems a bit harsh even though that may be the reality for some folks. you'll find a lot researching the topic online.

some people claim to have visions of meeting jesus without experiencing a NDE- what do you make of those?

i've almost died twice ,maybe three times? there was no light at the end of the tunnel. the first time i was completely blacked out and woke up in a hospital bed the next morning. the other time was a struggle to hold on to what i understood as "personality" as the voice in my head became disorienting noise fading in blackness.

the questionable third time was when i dreamt of having a heart attack and literally watched my body die during sleep... could have just been a dream but connected to a lot of my spiritual pursuits nonetheless  ??? lol afraid i didnt contribute much but only raise more questions  :D

I am not aware of any cases where a Christian saw Muhammed in his NDE. I'll be happy to be corrected. Some Christians have claimed to have seen Buddha in hell and whatnot, but that's another story.

No one has yet reported any sightings of Zeus, as far as I'm aware.

I have heard people say that DMT gets released by the brain in those ND situations. Just saying. It's important to remember that the term is near death experience.

I thought this excerpt from Sam Harris would add to the conversation:

"What happens after death is surely a mystery, as is the relationship between consciousness and the physical world, but there is no longer any doubt whether the character of our minds is dependent upon the functioning of our brains - and dependent in ways that are profoundly counter-intuitive. Consider one of the common features of the near-death experience: the nearly dying seem regularly to encounter their loved ones who have gone before them into the next world. (See A. Kellehear, Experiences Near Death: Beyond Medicine and Religion) We know, however, that recognizing a person's face requires an intact fusiform cortex, primarily in the right hemisphere. Damage to this area of the brain definitely robs the mind of its powers of facial recognition (among other things), a condition we call prosopagnosia. People with this condition have nothing wrong with their primary vision. They can see color and shape perfectly well. They can recognize almost everything in their environment, but they cannot distinguish between the faces of even their closest friends and family members. Are we to imagine in such cases that a person possesses an intact soul, somewhere behind the mind, that retains his ability to recognize his loved ones? It would seem so. Indeed, unless the soul retains all of the normal cognitive and perceptual capacities of the healthy brain, heaven would be populated by beings suffering from all manner of neurological deficit. But then, what are we to think of the condition of the neurologically impaired while alive? Does a person suffering from aphasia have a soul that can speak, read, and think flawlessly? Does a person whose motor skills have been degraded by cerebellar ataxia have a soul with preserved hand-eye coordination? This is rather like believing that inside every wrecked car lurks a new car just waiting to get out.

The implausibility of a soul whose powers are independent of the brain only increases once we recognize that even normal brains can be placed somewhere on a continuum of pathology. I know my soul speaks English, because that is the language that comes out of me whenever I speak or write. I used to know a fair amount of French as well. It seems that I've forgotten most of it, though, since my attempts at communication while in France provoke little more than amusement and consternation in the natives. We know, however, that the difference between my remembering and not remembering something is a matter of physical differences in the neural circuits in my brain - specifically in the synaptic connections that are responsible for information encoding, information retrieval, or both. My loss of French, therefore, can be considered a form of neurological impairment. And any Frenchman who found his linguistic ability suddenly degraded to the level of my own would rush straight to the hospital. Would his soul retain his linguistic ability in any case? Has my soul retained its memory of how to conjugate the verb bruire? Where does this notion of soul-brain dependence end? A native speaker of one of the Bantu languages would find that the functioning of my language cortex leaves even more to be desired. Given that I was never exposed to Bantu sounds as a child, it is almost certain that I would find it difficult in the extreme, if not impossible, to distinguish between them, much less reproduce them in a way that would satisfy a native speaker. But perhaps my soul has mastered the Bantu languages as well. There are only five hundred of them."

@Daemoon, thanks for sharing your experiences.

I am totally not following you.

Me neither. But that is not even a point?

b, it's better for me to understand if you just say what you're thinking, I don't seem to be able to connect the dots.

I wanted to share this here. I clipped this from a longer video where Terence Mckenna is describing his DMT expriences which are incredible. In this clip he describes how he gave something (I assume DMT) to a Tibetan Lama. You might be interested in what the Lama had to say.

I can never get tubechop to run on linux/firefox, dont know why, maybe there's a better way?

SI,

They are just some suggestive observations. I guess what I am implying is that the brain is still actively producing images that correspond the the conditioning of that ND experiencer. That accounts for why a Christian sees Jesus instead of Thor, for example, etc. Or a so called atheist who is brought up in Tennessee sees Jesus and not Krishna.

Am I getting too edgy here? This site seems to be wide open, which is why I post this stuff here instead of the other forum where it might be somewhat inappropriate. I don't want to be obnoxious with my posts, though.

If you find one, let me know! I'm on the lookout for a good alternative. I am not crazy about it either. Were you not able to watch the video at all?

No you're fine, but really we don't know what is going on. It may be that a Christian sees Jesus because of pure spiritual reasons, and/or what God sees fit for him to see.

No still can't run it, I'm sort of one of the last holdouts though, I run linux at home because it's free, and it runs on computer parts that no one wants anymore. I'm too cheap to buy anything new, but I do have newer stuff at work.

Yes the other forum(s) seem to operate based on some universal opinion about what is appropriate for an internet message board. It's all very amusing really.

Back in the day there was not so much moderation on the old bulletin boards, I used to access using a 36K dial up modem. Then along came the foul mouths and the trolls, and then moderation became the norm. But that then led to abuse of the admin controls, being used in headstrong individual ways.

"I'm going to delete his post, I'm going to block his account, he will obey my rules, etc.," It's all very asinine IMO.

Got it to run. Well he has his own experience, and others have had theirs too. It's possible there may be many many ways that each person experiences or perceives, and DMT may/may not distort truth, (which may also depend on the individual's spiritual development.)

The interesting point is this: It can be very arbitrary with absolutely no explanation as it was in my case. The only reason i can tell u this is that i created this site. So i have come back from the dead to tell u all. Otherwise u would have never even known! My NDE was like a black out from a reality i once new. i was caught in a reality of wonderment and realized that is exactly what someone wanted. With this realization dawning on my consciousness came the awareness of the transparency of those i thought to be friends. The utter disregard for kindness. The naked truth that there r people who claim to have a spiritual site or r members of spiritual organizations who speak of spiritual aspirations who treat others as recyclable human  tin cans. There r also those who have little regard for years of help they have received when going thru difficult situations. With this awareness comes a growing sense of gratefulness for what i have.

Given this account of my near death experience there r those who may say that my experience may not b true but based on a subjective account of reality. To this i would reply.... All i can tell you is what i have witnessed. That is communication was completely terminated with no explanation this is a fact. Had there been any explanation it could have been interpreted quite differently. From my own state of consciousness the private explanation of a persons actions seems appropriate in any long term association or friendship. But let us never be under the false illusion that others will treat us in like manner. We can learn from the mistakes of others and make sure that we ourselves do not treat people like strangers but rather souls who we will always welcome in our lives.

I must say, my comment was not meant to imply anything negative towards the Yoganandaji forum. I was simply pointing out that this site seems to invite views that are outside of or even contradictory to any specific tradition. The Yoganandaji forum, on the other hand, was created specifically for Yogananda devotees to talk about Yogananda, SRF, and their tradition. It is owned and operated by a private individual at their own expense. it is theirs to operate it as they see fit. I have never been censored there and didn't mean to imply that I had. I only meant that it seems inappropriate to me, for me, to post things there that aren't part of Yogananda's teachings and that possibly run counter to their tradition and culture. I certainly didn't intend to derail this interesting thread into that discussion for heavens sake.

i have not named any site or person SI or b, but rather people who i have met who r supposedly on the spiritual path. This is not a personal vendetta but rather an observation of events. Someone else may have a completely different interpretation of events. i am only giving u my account. Having said this i cannot comment on the views of others since i am not privy to that information. It seems that my NDE is quite different then the norm but that is the freedom of expression that you mentioned you feel here. Thank-You SI

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LOL

It is good that we have an understanding here.

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Yea It's not much of a democracy. Total totalitarianism. Censorship to the extreme and people wonder y we still have governments like that. It starts with the individual. Then goes to groups and finally governments. We all are like that to some degree. We try to get rid of the people we disagree with. But this is a democracy, unless of course we take people in the back yard and beat them up for their opinions.

There were no implications from you taken from me anyways, it was actually something I was implying.

But back on topic,

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/Exceptional%20Accounts.htm

http://www.nderf.org/

I could read this stuff all day, but alas, I need to get back to work. :-\