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Title: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 18, 2015 03:30 pm According to Sri Yukteswar's theory, expounded in his Holy Science, the solar system is a binary system, that is, the sun rotates aroudn another star.
The other star is not visible. Presently, there is no proof of the above, although the Binary Research Institute (BRI), founded by an SRF devotee, Walter Cruttenden, is actively researching the topic. Up to date experiments have found some 'noises' which might be caused by an invisible dual. All past proposals have not been accepted by astronomical science, which is now undoubtedly powerful, although not errorless. can a neutron star be the sun's dual? It would be invisible and tiny but ti woudl have a mass alrger than the sun, hardly invisible to gravitational probes and models. Is it a brown dwarf, tiny, with littel mass and almost invisible? http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/index.shtml Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 18, 2015 03:41 pm In the 'Evidence' section the BRI lists the hints which could be used to construe the existence (and position) of a sun's dual
http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/evidence/lunarcycle.shtml Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 19, 2015 12:40 am Soem hypotheses on the sun-syrius binary system
http://www.viewzone.com/sirius.html Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 19, 2015 12:50 am Brown dwarves are candidates to a potential sun's dual
Quote Brown dwarf stars are stars that have too little mass to fuse hydrogen (although deuterium is likely to fuse for a brief period). Interestingly enough, they are all about the size of Jupiter, regardless of their mass. Brown dwarfs are heated as they slowly collapse by conversion of their gravitational potential energy into thermal energy. The upper mass limit for a star to be a brown dwarf is about 0.07-0.08 solar masses, while the transition to being considered a large planet takes place by convention at 0.012 solar masses, where even deuterium fusion stops. A binary system (WISE J1049-5319 A and B made up of 2 brown dwarves was recently discovered pretty close to the solar system. Alpha centauri, the closest knwon to the sun, is a ternary system. (http://images.gizmag.com/inline/new-binary-star-third-closest-to-sun-0@2x.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 19, 2015 12:55 am Alpha Centauri A and B; the third star of the ternary system, Proxima Centauri, is much smaller and farther away.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Alpha_centauri.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: SpiritImage on Aug 19, 2015 05:06 am My guess is we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 19, 2015 06:07 am mccoy;
Thanks for the info on Alpha Centauri and Sirius.... candidates for the binary location to our own Sun! Though scientists are aware of this cycle they have little or no knowledge of the social and spiritual evolution associated with it. No doubt the thought arises in our own minds as well: Why would a binary star affect our spiritual evolution? However i could ask the same questions about various planets and i have found that there influence is indisputable. Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 19, 2015 10:34 am Soem hypotheses on the sun-syrius binary system http://www.viewzone.com/sirius.html Very good article mccoy: Historic and mythological descriptions of Sirius provides further insight into the nature of the relationship between the Sun and Sirius. A shaft leading from the Queens chamber of the Great Pyramid of Egypt was -- and still is -- aligned precisely with Sirius. Given the high probability that it was constructed that way, and considering that the pyramids form a star map in and of themselves, it shows how many epochs Sirius has been in a stationary position relative to the movement of the other stars. A Sirius Candidate Sirius is a binary system. Sirius A is the highly visible star, but there is a companion known as Sirius B, first described in modern times by the Dogon tribe of Mali (Africa) and subsequently verified by the observational science of astronomers. The Dogon also described a third celestial body with characteristics of a neutron star. While a neutron wouldn't be visible in the same manner as Sirius B, the combined gravitational attraction of a neutron star, a white giant star and a white dwarf would certainly provide the gravitational force needed to keep the Sun bound at a distance of 8.6 light years. In fact, the presence of a neutron star is by no means necessary for the gravitational interaction of the Sun with Sirius. Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 19, 2015 11:00 am Steve, my interest in astronomy has been triggered by the science fiction novels of Alastair Reynolds, who has been an astronomer before becoming a full time writer. He describes in scientific details some astronomical facts he includes in his novels, so it just comes naturally to go and research those aspect as a further educational reading. I personally love this kind of books which trigger research into historical or scientific facts.
Many physical scientists publicly express their atheistic views, forgetting that they are not in their turf. That is, the realm of metaphysics is not their realm, it's another field. Some of'em though are interested in astrology and metaphysics, although few admit it. If I remember well, the spiritual evolution of earth's civilization is influenced by the distance to the center of the galaxy, the milky way, according to Sri Yukteswar. This has some important consequences: The hub of the galaxy is a super massive black hole, called Sagittarius A*, a huge gravity well. Do black holes emanate spiritual influences? Do they have some metaphysical counterpart? How and why? Do inhabited wolrds, located closer to the galactic center than us, host very evolved spiritual beings due to the spiritual influence of the relatively close-by massive black hole? Quote Sagittarius A* (pronounced "Sagittarius A-star", standard abbreviation Sgr A*) is a bright and very compact astronomical radio source at the center of the Milky Way, near the border of the constellations Sagittarius and Scorpius. It is part of a larger astronomical feature known as Sagittarius A. Sagittarius A* is believed to be the location of a supermassive black hole,[5][6][7] like those that are now generally accepted to be at the centers of most spiral and elliptical galaxies. Observations of the star S2 in orbit around Sagittarius A* have been used to show the presence of, and produce data about, the Milky Way's central supermassive black hole, and have led to the conclusion that Sagittarius A* is the site of that black hole. This is a rendition of a supermassive black hole, a giant spiritual hub according to Sri Yukteswar (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Supermassiveblackhole_nasajpl.jpg/1024px-Supermassiveblackhole_nasajpl.jpg) And this is an image fo the area of Sagittarius A*, the spiritual hub in our galaxy (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Sagittarius_A%2A.jpg/800px-Sagittarius_A%2A.jpg) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/15-044a-SuperNovaRemnant-PlanetFormation-SOFIA-20150319.jpg/800px-15-044a-SuperNovaRemnant-PlanetFormation-SOFIA-20150319.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 19, 2015 11:12 am Mccoy
The awakening of spirit which Sri Yukteswar spoke of in the Holy Science was in reference to the 24,000 year cycle. When the autumnal equinox is aligned with Aries, the spiritual unfoldment of earths' inhabitants becomes greatly increased. As you may know Paramahansa Yogananda spoke of a larger cycle in the Autobiography. i do not believe that cycle was earths' rotation around the galaxy but rather a certain area thereof. At any rate in this larger cycle we are currently in the Kali Yuga. i believe there is much more hope in the smaller cycle of which Sri Yukteswar speaks which involves the bianary system you brought to our attention. As far as i know the rotation of our solar system around the whole galaxy is not mentioned by Yogananda or Yukteswar. This period is astronomical in length. One journey of our solar system around the center of the Milky Way galaxy is sometimes called a cosmic year. That’s approximately 225-250 million years. No doubt on this journey; there are times we are closer and further from the galactic center but it is beyond my knowledge of what influence it would have on earths' inhabitants. As you know most of the wisdom we are currently getting is based on knowledge we have not received first hand but through those who have insight and wisdom much more then our own. We can however observe history and see that the Darwinian model does not take into account such high civilizations that at one time occupied our planet. Whereas the model that Plato, Elizabeth Haich, Sri Yukteswar and others gave us....does. Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 19, 2015 12:04 pm Mccoy .....I believe there is much more hope in the smaller cycle of which Sri Yukteswar speaks which involves the bianary system you brought to our attention. As far as i know the rotation of our solar system around the whole galaxy is not mentioned by Yogananda or Yukteswar. This period is astronomical in length. One journey of our solar system around the center of the Milky Way galaxy is sometimes called a cosmic year. That’s approximately 225-250 million years. I was referring to the fact that the revolution of the sun around its dual causes an equuinoctial cycle which puts the sun in alternate - closer -and -farther distances from the galactic center. This, as far as I remember, is the explanation given by Sri Yukteswar to his model of evolution-involution cycle. We rotate around the sun but the sun rotates around its dual. In such an orbital trajectory, when the solar system is closer to the galactic center its spiritual influence is greatest and the other way around. This is the interpretation I gave to the below excerpt from Sri Yukteswar. I am realizing now that the seat of Brhama is not precisely identified, maybe I read somewhere else that it referred to the galactic center, further clarification is needed. Quote The sun also has another motion by which it revolves round a grand center called Vishnu-Naabhi which is the seat of the creative power Brahma, the universal magnetism. Brahma regulates Dharma the mental virtues of the internal world. When the sun in its revolution round its dual come to the place nearest to this grand center the seat of Brahma (an event which takes place when the autumnal equinox comes to the first point of Aries) Dharma the mental virtue becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Spirit.[1] Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 19, 2015 12:28 pm In the above model, we would have our binary sun-dual system which causes the sun to revolve periodically around a center of rotation with such an yet unknown dual. At teh same time, the binary system rotates around the galaxy in a 240 million years average. Such a rotation would arguably keep the sun at the same distance from the galactic center, so unless the Vishnu Naabhi is not the same as Sagittarius A*, there would be no variation in the spiritual influence.
Even if Vishnu-naabhi is not Sagittarius A*, the same questiosn apply: what about the inhabited planets which are closer to Vishnu-naabhi? Are they exceptionally evolved (seat of souls reincarnated from the highest evolutionary stages)? Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 19, 2015 12:35 pm This is an explanatory drawing from the minsobooks site. The drawing is not accurate, actually sun and its dual would revolve around each other, according to the relativistic laws of gravity (even the earth and the sun revolve around each other, although the center of revolution is inside the sun). The simplified situation in the drawing is true if the sun's dual has far larger mass than the sun.
The result remains substantially the same though. (http://www.minsobooks.com/images/Sri%20Yukteswar%20The%20Holy%20Science%20Vishnu%20Nabhi.png) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 19, 2015 12:52 pm I'm aware now that I was identifying Vishnunabhi as the galactic center according to the interpretations of Frawley. Opposing views state that the difference in the distance from the galactic center at the aphelion-perielion points (referred to Sagittarius A*) would be negligible in the large scale context.
Yes, I retort, but then the same would apply to whatsoever other location assumed to be Vishnunabhi. Unless Vishnunabhi is a metaphysical center and has no correspondence in the physical dimension. Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 19, 2015 05:35 pm I'm aware now that I was identifying Vishnunabhi as the galactic center according to the interpretations of Frawley. Opposing views state that the difference in the distance from the galactic center at the aphelion-perielion points (referred to Sagittarius A*) would be negligible in the large scale context. Yes, I retort, but then the same would apply to whatsoever other location assumed to be Vishnunabhi. Unless Vishnunabhi is a metaphysical center and has no correspondence in the physical dimension. Sri Yukteswar speaks of closeness and distance from a 'grand center'. He does not explain the characteristics of the center nor its whereabouts except to imply that when our solar systems path gets closer to our dual star we are also closer to this grand center. The Vishnunabhi is this grand center and it is doubtful that it has anything to do with the center of our galaxy, since that was not mentioned in the Master's explanation.... but rather our relationship to the dual star that he talks about and our relationship to that star in its movement around the galaxy. This does not sound like a fixed point but rather a moving energy that corresponds to the relationship of two binary stars moving thru the galaxy. We should keep in mind that our Sun and solar system is in constant motion through the galaxy. The only plausible constant is the center of the galaxy (which is in motion with other galaxies) in relation to us. However it was already stated that are distance in movement from the center of the galaxy is negligible in a 24,000 year cycle. We are at present; in a perpetual dance with a star because of the precession of the equinoxes. A basic understanding of Astrology helps us recognize the influence of the planets and near by objects on our everyday life. Think of what the influence of nearby stars may also have. This is my take on an evolving explanation of the universes influence on our mortal lives. i say evolving because very few of us can give with certainty the answers to such questions. We are mostly dealing with possibilities that may end up as probabilities. We often find this to be the case in human relationships as well which is why very few of us should take absolute stands on issues we cannot resolve with certainty. i doubt that any of us expect Sri Yukteswar to be a scientist as well as a guru. The information he did give us in the Holy Science was quite helpful though and it remains one of my favorite books of all time. Yes i saw this on the internet; David Frawley David Frawley is a Westerner who has become a scholar of Vedic scriptures, Jyotish (Indian astrology), and Ayurveda (Indian medicine). He has written a number of books on various aspects of Vedic culture and wisdom. Like Yogananda, Frawley adopts Yukteswar's 24,000 year maha yuga and views it as a smaller cycle within the larger maha yugas described traditionally. Frawley likewise introduces some twists in the way he interprets both the smaller and the larger cycle. With regard to the 24,000 year cycle, Frawley begins like Yukteswar by ascribing the cycle to the sun's revolution around a companion star. Frawley says that this revolution varies the amount of cosmic light we receive from the galactic center. Thus, he seems to have identified Yukteswar's Vishnunabhi with the center of the galaxy, which Yukteswar never explicitly does. Still, it is a plausible interpretation. Unfortunately, a 24,000 year orbit would make only a negligible difference in our sun's distance from the galactic center, which is at a vast remove from us. Presumably because of this, Frawley abandons Yukteswar's notion that it is our varying distance from Vishnunabhi that causes the cycles of yugas. Instead, he posits that our companion star is a dark star, and when it passes between us and Vishnunabhi, tends to eclipse some of the cosmic light from that source, thus causing the decline into the less inspired ages like Kali Yuga. Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 20, 2015 11:14 pm steve, after further reasoning, I believe that what you say is another plausible explanation.
The sun orbits around the common center of mass of the binary system. The orbit takes the sun closer and farther from another star. This star could be Sagittarius A* but might even be a closer star (a generic celestial object), which SY does not specify. Such a Star, called the Vishnunabhi = the navel of Vishnu, is a celestial object which has the power to influence our earth an his inhabitants with spiritual enlightenment. Even as the various planets carry an astrological influence upon the individual and the collective consciousness, Vishnunabhi, the misterious star, carries a powerful influence when the sun's orbit takes us closer to it. Interestingly enough, Vishnunabhi might be a star pretty close to us, like Sirius, or Proxima Centauri (which are actually star systems themselves). This would make the sun's system very prone to its influence. Sirius itself is a binary (or even ternary but not confirmed) system. If the sun's sytem rotates around Sirius, it would make it a quaternary system. An X-ray image of Sirius A and Sirius B (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Sirius_A_%26_B_X-ray.jpg/200px-Sirius_A_%26_B_X-ray.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 20, 2015 11:22 pm HD 98800, a quadruple or quaternary star system. It actually is made up of a double binary system.
In our case Sirius A and Sirius B would be a binary set of the quadruple, whereas sun A and sun B would be the other set. This if the hypothesis of Sirius= dual of sun is confirmed. the universe is far more complex tha we may imagine! (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/HD_98800.jpg/220px-HD_98800.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 21, 2015 04:26 am steve, after further reasoning, I believe that what you say is another plausible explanation. The sun orbits around the common center of mass of the binary system. The orbit takes the sun closer and farther from another star. This star could be Sagittarius A* but might even be a closer star (a generic celestial object), which SY does not specify. Such a Star, called the Vishnunabhi = the navel of Vishnu, is a celestial object which has the power to influence our earth an his inhabitants with spiritual enlightenment. Even as the various planets carry an astrological influence upon the individual and the collective consciousness, Vishnunabhi, the misterious star, carries a powerful influence when the sun's orbit takes us closer to it. Interestingly enough, Vishnunabhi might be a star pretty close to us, like Sirius, or Proxima Centauri (which are actually star systems themselves). This would make the sun's system very prone to its influence. Sirius itself is a binary (or even ternary but not confirmed) system. If the sun's sytem rotates around Sirius, it would make it a quaternary system. An X-ray image of Sirius A and Sirius B (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Sirius_A_%26_B_X-ray.jpg/200px-Sirius_A_%26_B_X-ray.jpg) 'Sirius appears bright because of both its intrinsic luminosity and its proximity to Earth. At a distance of 2.6 parsecs (8.6 ly), as determined by the Hipparcos astrometry satellite,[5][19][20] the Sirius system is one of Earth's near neighbors. Sirius is gradually moving closer to the Solar System, so it will slightly increase in brightness over the next 60,000 years. After that time its distance will begin to increase, but it will continue to be the brightest star in the Earth's sky for the next 210,000 years.[21]' Something i found on the internet. It just occurred to me that various planets have quite an affect on our awakening (Uranus), spirituality (Neptune) and transformation (Pluto) These planets heralded in great events on earth after their recent rediscovery. Why couldn't the same be said for the proximity we are beginning to share with for instance Sirius and its influence. Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 21, 2015 02:52 pm These might be candidates for the Vishnunabhi: the globular clusters, dense clusters of stars packed in a relatively small volume, the closest to our solar system might be a vishnunahbi (red cicrles in the image)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Milky_way_profile.svg/800px-Milky_way_profile.svg.png) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 21, 2015 03:10 pm The local bubble is another feature of the sun's neighborhoods
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Local_bubble.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 21, 2015 03:14 pm The Orion arm is an arm of our galaxy where soem other candidtates for the _Vishnunabhi might be
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Orion_Arm.JPG) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 21, 2015 03:19 pm We cannot rule out the Orion nebula as being Vishnunabhi. It's a very famous feature of our galaxy and is 1344 ly far form the sun. A stellar nursery which would be coherent with Vishnu's navel as a creative seat.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg/800px-Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 21, 2015 03:20 pm Infant stars inside the Orion nebula
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Sig07-006.jpg/1920px-Sig07-006.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 21, 2015 03:31 pm Betelgeuse, a red supergiant 'only' 640 ly distant from earth, may be another candidate for the Vishnunahbi.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/ESO-Betelgeuse.jpg/800px-ESO-Betelgeuse.jpg) Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 21, 2015 09:33 pm Very nice illustrations and pictures mccoy. They capture attention and interest!
Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 21, 2015 10:24 pm Hopefully there are scientists out there that are looking for another plausible explanation for the procession of the equinoxes instead of just the wobble of the earth. As we know many scientific paradigms have changed dramatically over the course of history. To share an orbit with another star may take some time to accept and understand. If we look at how long it took to accept the idea that are earth rotates around the Sun this becomes immediately evident. i believe it is fair to say that we are still-for the most part-at odds with most modern scientific views of the procession of the equinoxes. We should remember that Sri Yukteswar attributed this backward movement of the backdrop of the stars at the equator as a result of a binary system we share with another celestial object. He never mentioned anything about the wobble of the earth as a possible cause.
See below: Astronomy: precession of earth The phenomenon we call "precession" was discovered by Greek astronomer Hipparchus when he compared his own circa 200 BC records with older charts. What he saw was that the equinoxes in his day (where the sun's path crosses the celestial equator) were in a different position among the stars than the 150-year-old comparison charts showed. This is due to a gyroscopic wobble of earth's spin axis that takes 26000 years to complete. In this wobble motion, the tilt of the earth stays roughly constant at 23.4 degrees but the orientation is always changing. One consequence of precession is that the north star Polaris is drifting. It is only "north star" by coincidence today. Vega will be our north star for a time in the distant future. Another consequence is that precession introduces a difference between a sidereal (real) year and a tropical (by the sun) year because during the course of one year the position of the equinox changes slightly. The physical cause of the precession is a torque (twisting) of the earth, caused mostly by the sun's and the moon's gravity pulling on the equatorial bulges of the earth. If earth were NOT spinning, the sun and moon would pull the earth so that the bulges were flat in the sun-earth orbital plane. The planets have some gravitational influence also, but insignificant compared to the sun and moon. Still, the planets manage to cause the orbit of earth about the sun to precess, with a period of 71000 years. They also cause an oscillation in the ellipticity of earth's orbit. http://astro.wsu.edu/worthey/astro/html/lec-precession.html Title: Re: Is the solar system a binary system) Post by: mccoy on Aug 21, 2015 10:42 pm Yes, the prevailing theory today is still that the tidal forces cause the earth's wobble and consequent precession. Walter Cruttenden, a fan of Sri yukteswar and a wealthy devotee, has founded the BRI to try and validate SY's hypothesis. It remains an 'heretic' position though, until scientific evidence is presented. We also know that science has progressed by heretic positions. |