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Title: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Jul 17, 2012 02:59 pm
in southern california people are more familiar about reincarnation. so I I am not here to convince you. there was a boy who is was a  meditators son. he kept thinking about a boat. on several occasions he talked about this boat. so a friend and his mother decided to sit down and talk to him about this. he said he was on the titanic as an operator radio for the radio. he tried to swim but went down. this life he is a very good swimmer.

many christians believe it when you die you go to heaven. well you may go to a heavenly realm but you don't stay there. we are pulled back here by desire in past actions. how are you look is determined by patterns of behavior and your friends are also a result of the past. how we think and how we treat other people will determine our next lives.

a little boy screamed his first words in English after being born : "not again". that is because we have to learn to walk and talk again go to school again and get beat up again etc. we come back again and again like a man bound to a wheel going under the water and then coming above the water to get a grasp of air.

our souls seeks a perfection and a joy and happiness a perfect love. we know that there is something  more than what is here. Our soul senses that we should have power like a christ or a Krishna. There is a frustration because we are not getting what we want in this life
it is the soul trying to get out of this dream.  it is not necessarily bad. the problem is that because of this we expect perfection from the people around us.

there is a way out. sleep we become disconnected from this drama and this life.
when we get away from the senses we start feeling better. that is why we meditate.
the more we are identified with the outer world the more pain we experience.
we are not discounting the senses. yet when we  meditate we can find some happiness out here in this world.

I was at a 3 hour meditation in a small town of guatemala.
there was a small girl that sat there 3 hours quietly in lotus position.
I am sure what do you do when you sit there for 3 hours quietly and she said that she becomes 1 with krishna. this is because of her good karma from past life experience.

if you have a good karma from being healthy in a past life you may be able  to smoke a cigar like george burns for your whole life. he smoked a cigar till a late age. but in another life he may have to suffer for this. in the same way the memories of past spiritual effort will blossom fourth.

                                                       Brother Devananda


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: elfun on Jul 18, 2012 09:40 am
 So is the ying yang of the future a continuous circle of duality that will never end like the universe that has an endless amount on energy that may hold the key to what our lives are all about? Possibly the "learning" curve may be at 90 degrees and who really knows what is around the "bend"? One can 'bend' their minds in multiple directions but the continuous circle of life is never ending~~~~~~O around and around she goes~~~ better watch out she might end up, going up your nose  ;D  and then life, may smell like a rose  ;D but whooo whooo whooo really knows?  :-\   The door of the two worlds is open now. Don't find yourself asleep.  ;)


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 07, 2012 01:17 pm
So is the ying yang of the future a continuous circle of duality that will never end like the universe that has an endless amount on energy that may hold the key to what our lives are all about? Possibly the "learning" curve may be at 90 degrees and who really knows what is around the "bend"? One can 'bend' their minds in multiple directions but the continuous circle of life is never ending~~~~~~O around and around she goes~~~ better watch out she might end up, going up your nose  ;D  and then life, may smell like a rose  ;D but whooo whooo whooo really knows?  :-\   The door of the two worlds is open now. Don't find yourself asleep.  ;)

 :) :D ;D              ???


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Aug 07, 2012 04:41 pm
When you discover who you were and when you find where the blockages that you have encounteed  in this life have come from those blockages begin to loosen their hold on you and you become more free. You can also understand current relationships with loved ones in the light of past lifes. You can also discover talents from the past. You might have met a stranger and felt an instant dislike or rapport for. This indicates behavior patterns that were developed from the past.


Title: Luther Burbank – Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 11, 2013 10:39 pm
Luther Burbank speaking to PY chapter 38 Autobiography of a Yogi.:

"My friend Henry Ford and I both believe in the ancient theory of reincarnation," Luther told me. "It sheds light on aspects of life otherwise inexplicable. Memory is not a test of truth; just because man fails to remember his past lives does not prove he never had them. Memory is blank concerning his womb-life and infancy, too; but he probably passed through them!" He chuckled.

Luther Burbank was an American botanist, horticulturist and a pioneer in agricultural science. He developed more than 800 strains and varieties of plants over his 55-year career.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 22, 2013 02:34 am
There is true story about a small girl who claimed that her parents and family lived in another town. A doctor recomended
going to the town where she claimed her family resided. She went to her old home and said that before she died she hid
some gold inside a wall of the house. The wall was opened and the gold found.

If you have a hard time accepting reincarnation, perhaps in a future life you will have a better chance to accept it.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: guest58 on Mar 22, 2013 11:33 am
Quote from: Jitendra Hydonus link=topic=2257.msg14001#Just001 date=1363908842
There is true story about a small girl who claimed that her parents and family lived in another town. A doctor recomended
going to the town where she claimed her family resided. She went to her old home and said that before she died she hid
some gold inside a wall of the house. The wall was opened and the gold found.

If you have a hard time accepting reincarnation, perhaps in a future life you will have a better chance to accept it.

Jitendra


Come Back as  a Rich Person

For those interested you can invest in your future life.  Just give me 1000 dollars. You will be given a number. When you come back in your future life simply bring your number back to me and I will give you back your 1000 dollars with interest according to how long you have been gone!

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Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 23, 2013 04:35 am
It may be very easy for us to learn a foreign language or we may feel very comfortable in a foreign country.
These are signs that we have been there before. How is it we express talents at a very early age? We have worked on
them before. Because of their upbringing some people have a hard time accepting reincarnation.


Title: Why think about Reincarnation?
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 23, 2013 12:46 pm
I want to share with you something that personally happened to me in regards to reincarnation. Sometimes we are given glimpses of the past to resolve current crisis and problems. we have shared past llives with friends and lovers we know today and throughout our lives. I remember having a vision of somebody that I loved. the question is why do we have such visions? the answer is:
to understand what we are going thru with people in this life. this is only 1 reason for remembering our past lives. I intend to touch on other reasons also.

I spent some time with this person that I cared about. I had a vision of visiting her in a past life. I saw the place very clearly.
it was as if I was looking at something as clear as waking life and it was not in a dream. I saw it with open eyes.
In the vision I was coming to a saloon. it was not the type of saloon you see in the old Western films. it was very large and all the tables were round with wooden chairs. the place was immaculate and I was coming to visit this person very late at night. she worked there and i was thinking that her parents owned the place.

you see some people carry their hang ups and addictions from 1 life to another.  when we have problems we do not know how to resolve we often fall back into old ways of dealing with them dragged over from the past.

Our visions and intuition may not make sense till later on in our life.  Because of the surroundings and after getting to know her for quite a while; I recognized the same habits from the past carrying over into this life.
it helped me understand why there were episodes of irrational behavior taking place.

More on past lives and what we can
learn from them and how to recognize past lives.....


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 23, 2013 09:59 pm
Some people say: how can I believe in reincarnation if I can't remember past lives? You my as.well ask: how can I believe
that I am here when I do not remember being born or life in the womb? Yet there is a good indication we are here. Memory does not establish existance. Some of us  remember what others do not. Some of us work on remembering. Some of us meditate and
some do not. Meditation increases our awareness; our awareness of the past, future and present. Meditation helps us realize
that time itself is one more illusion of the reality we accept in our existance. We still exist in a rather backward time in history.
It is just the beginning of the dwapara yuga. In the higher treta and satya yugas most people will be meditating and the barriers
of time will break down. We will not be limited by time.

We need not be trapped in the thoughts and realities of the masses. There were those who did not accept kings, queens and
slavery when most people did and so we do not have to accept the ignorance we witness around us. We are here to help
not to accept.

The whole Roman Empire was barbaric and there are many people following the ignorance of the masses today. It is best
to find those who are in tune with a higher consciousness and be a witness to the mass delusion we are living in the
early part of this century. We are fortunate to have a few good friends who understand.
Size never proved truth. History has shown this over and over.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on May 10, 2015 05:24 pm
In my early 20's i spent quite a bit a time with a friend who told me of her past life in Italy. She was a nurse for a living. i asked her more about it and she told me she clearly remembers sitting in the coliseums watching Christians being tortured and killed. i asked her how she felt about it and she said 'hopeless... as though there was nothing she could do about it.' Several years past and i had gone on the road. i came back and looked her up. i found she had committed suicide.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: mccoy on May 10, 2015 11:24 pm
Steve, maybe that's it why we don't remember


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SpiritImage on Jun 19, 2015 02:29 am
I can't remember or recall anything from the past. I have a pretty good memory too.

Ever feel like the world was a tuxedo and you are a pair of brown shoes? --George Gobel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pbpc-NJHcZ8#t=502



Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: mccoy on Jun 19, 2015 10:23 pm
SI, I watched the video, everyone is laughing like mads but I really didn't understand the tuxedo-shoes quip.

Maybe because I'm not American...


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 29, 2015 10:33 pm
I will say this for you Jeff because u r having difficulties with your mother over reincarnation. This is not something you prove to any one. This is something you find out and experience yourself. This is the big mistake of truth seekers. The proof comes from inner realization not outer confirmation.

Quote from: Steve Hydonus



Well I'm not having difficulties, I'm actually trying to see it from her view for once. Trying to get along. I haven't changed my views, rather I would like to evolve and understand others' opinions, and maybe further evolve just as PY brought Jesus into this. BTW, your proof did come from outer sources initially, then comes to the inner. I don't think we could have imagined all the details of reincarnation on our own.

Quote from: SpiritImage

Seeing it from her view is seeing it from a cultural stand point. Her view is the result of social conditioning. Social conditioning is so strong that most people will follow blindly the conditioning of the country and culture they come from. That is the problem in the mideast today and that is the problem here in cloneland as well.

The second part of your quote. i had an experience with reincarnation before knowing anything about reincarnation. The 'proof' as you have put it came from outer sources later. So you see it is the opposite of what you have described. i had some of these experiences with reincarnation before knowing what the term meant. Later i understood what i had experienced through other people and cultures.

We come into this life with varying degrees of spiritual experience and understanding and in different areas. Some people can remember past lives at a very young age. i did a study of this in my Masters' Thesis. It turns out that many children remember their 'real' parents from another incarnation. Some of them have even told their names and it has been discovered that these people actually lived in a previous century and had kids.

There is so many cases of past life memories that have been  corroborated through investigation that denying such evidence is foolish. What we may have differing views on is what these people, including myself, have tapped into.

Quote from: Steve Hydonus


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: mccoy on Nov 30, 2015 10:36 am
i did a study of this in my Masters' Thesis. It turns out that many children remember their 'real' parents from another incarnation. Some of them have even told their names and it has been discovered that these people actually lived in a previous century and had kids.
There is so many cases of past life memories that have been  corroborated through investigation that denying such evidence is foolish. What we may have differing views on is what these people, including myself, have tapped into.
Quote from: Steve Hydonus

Very interesting subject for a thesis. Unfortunately, official science does not seem to give much importance to such investigations. Not that I mind much of what 'official', or academic scinece says, but a lesser degree of ungranted skepticism would give a different outlook on life to those people who cannot escape from a purely materialistic view.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SpiritImage on Nov 30, 2015 07:54 pm

Seeing it from her view is seeing it from a cultural stand point. Her view is the result of social conditioning. Social conditioning is so strong that most people will follow blindly the conditioning of the country and culture they come from. That is the problem in the mideast today and that is the problem here in cloneland as well.

To her this view may well be the correct spiritual answer, *for her*. This may be the way she needs to perceive in order to advance. Who can say? We don't know for her if it is all the result of social conditioning, it might all or part be from true spiritual knowledge.

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The second part of your quote. i had an experience with reincarnation before knowing anything about reincarnation. The 'proof' as you have put it came from outer sources later. So you see it is the opposite of what you have described. i had some of these experiences with reincarnation before knowing what the term meant. Later i understood what i had experienced through other people and cultures.

Again, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just that this is your experience and your understanding of truth. #9 in the long post I made could also explain it, as could other explanations. I'm not saying I believe that either. OK? Just as we discussed in another thread about relying on modern interpretations of ancient scripts, my own interpretations could also be hybrid (I'm not saying they are), and could be something like, reincarnation does happen but not quite as others may think. (for example)


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We come into this life with varying degrees of spiritual experience and understanding and in different areas. Some people can remember past lives at a very young age. i did a study of this in my Masters' Thesis. It turns out that many children remember their 'real' parents from another incarnation. Some of them have even told their names and it has been discovered that these people actually lived in a previous century and had kids.

There is so many cases of past life memories that have been  corroborated through investigation that denying such evidence is foolish. What we may have differing views on is what these people, including myself, have tapped into.

And I would very respectfully say, that saying that denying your statement is foolish, is not helpful. If I said that there are many people who have experienced something very different and it was not the same kind of reincarnation, and then I said that anyone else who thinks different is foolish, wouldn't they take exception?

We all have had our own experiences. But the mechanisms that surround those can be different, and I don't think it's fair to say to anyone that the way they're perceiving is wrong. Sure I don't agree with some Jehovah Witness rules, but who am I to say it is wrong for that person?




Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Dec 08, 2015 05:38 am

Seeing it from her view is seeing it from a cultural stand point. Her view is the result of social conditioning. Social conditioning is so strong that most people will follow blindly the conditioning of the country and culture they come from. That is the problem in the mideast today and that is the problem here in cloneland as well.

To her this view may well be the correct spiritual answer, *for her*. This may be the way she needs to perceive in order to advance. Who can say? We don't know for her if it is all the result of social conditioning, it might all or part be from true spiritual knowledge.

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The second part of your quote. i had an experience with reincarnation before knowing anything about reincarnation. The 'proof' as you have put it came from outer sources later. So you see it is the opposite of what you have described. i had some of these experiences with reincarnation before knowing what the term meant. Later i understood what i had experienced through other people and cultures.

Again, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just that this is your experience and your understanding of truth. #9 in the long post I made could also explain it, as could other explanations. I'm not saying I believe that either. OK? Just as we discussed in another thread about relying on modern interpretations of ancient scripts, my own interpretations could also be hybrid (I'm not saying they are), and could be something like, reincarnation does happen but not quite as others may think. (for example)


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We come into this life with varying degrees of spiritual experience and understanding and in different areas. Some people can remember past lives at a very young age. i did a study of this in my Masters' Thesis. It turns out that many children remember their 'real' parents from another incarnation. Some of them have even told their names and it has been discovered that these people actually lived in a previous century and had kids.

There is so many cases of past life memories that have been  corroborated through investigation that denying such evidence is foolish. What we may have differing views on is what these people, including myself, have tapped into.

And I would very respectfully say, that saying that denying your statement is foolish, is not helpful. If I said that there are many people who have experienced something very different and it was not the same kind of reincarnation, and then I said that anyone else who thinks different is foolish, wouldn't they take exception?

We all have had our own experiences. But the mechanisms that surround those can be different, and I don't think it's fair to say to anyone that the way they're perceiving is wrong. Sure I don't agree with some Jehovah Witness rules, but who am I to say it is wrong for that person?

i believe the use of logic in defending such views or debating them is rather useless. I was willing to explore something others were not interested in. They r satisfied with beliefs which they have been indoctrinated in. I'd rather find out for myself. I do not have to prove my experiences to anyone. People can believe what they like. It just depends on what level u want to take spirituality. Spirituality is much different then religion which is based principly on belief.

We come to realize as u yourself have observed Jeff... maybe she needs to be where she is at. I am not saying that having different views is foolish. I am saying that denying the evidence is. It is a constant battle with these people as Jesus himself experienced. I have better things to do.... to find more of my own lite. Christians are notorious for trying to convert you to their ideologies. The darkness of others can hold us back. Galalio  was tried for heresy, put under house arrest and forced to recant his views. We have seen the misery church people have forced on others. Today we know the heliocentric  view is true. God is not dead. Religion has made him so.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Dec 08, 2015 10:52 pm
Jeff most of us have only taken one step in the ocean.
We only have seen the views from above. There is so much to discover underneath as well.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SpiritImage on Jan 04, 2016 01:48 am
Jeff most of us have only taken one step in the ocean.
We only have seen the views from above. There is so much to discover underneath as well.

There's really so many ways to slice it, no? She had a visit from Jehovah Witness the other day, since they live nearby, and while she is adamant about her beliefs, (as many people seem to be), she treated them with respect and offered them more than I would've. You don't see compassion and tolerance of others like that very often.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Jan 11, 2016 09:51 pm
I can't remember or recall anything from the past. I have a pretty good memory too.

Ever feel like the world was a tuxedo and you are a pair of brown shoes? --George Gobel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pbpc-NJHcZ8#t=502



The fact that we may not remember our former lives does not mean that we did not exist before. We do not remember the nine months of are embryonic existence in this life nor do we remember when we were 6 months old. It is all the less likely therefore that we would remember when we had lived in a different body with a different brain and nervous system and of different appearance.

It is well that we do not remember our hard experiences in the school of past lives,  we might be discouraged at the prospect of having to struggle with them again we might even feel disinclined to be good again, imagining good deeds to be of no value or we might be bored by repetition. Who would care to live over again all the prankster childhood the comedies of youth the tragedies of old age or even if even one lifetime. Think what a blessing reincarnation is. It demolishes our rickety old body car and gives us a brand new model in which to try again to win the race of life.

It requires years of concentrated mental investigation to know one's former incarnations. You can know about reincarnation not by reading books or hearing lectures but through scientific metaphysical research. Reincarnation is the only logical solution to the mystery of the purpose of our lives. We are immortal souls destined to return one day to our home in God. If we die in the consciousness of mortal imperfection we cannot immediately go back to God. We must eradicate our acquired egotistic imperfections by right living. To re-establish  our sole perfection may require many lives~Paramahansa  Yogananda 


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: mccoy on Jan 12, 2016 12:41 am
Another issue, not much commented,  is that we 'reincarnate' a few times even in our own lifetime.

For example, my mental setup definitely changed from childhood to boyhood to later stages of life. Even bodily appearance changed. I can show you that with pictures that are completely different.

So, even if I look back at myself 30 years ago, it feels like a previous life.

Should I remember my previous lives in other bodies, I'd feel like remembering the memories of other persons. So, would that help me? I Don't know


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SpiritImage on Jan 13, 2016 02:38 am
The fact that we may not remember our former lives does not mean that we did not exist before.

Or maybe what was before is not the same as it is now.

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Reincarnation is the only logical solution to the mystery of the purpose of our lives.

Only God knows that. We cannot assume we know "why". That is illogical.

I think mccoy is on track, we change all the time even in our own lifetime. We don't really know what kind of state we were in before. It may be something completely different than Earth. If we think we were here before, or if some vision has shown you past history, no one knows if those are there to divert you or not. If you're susceptible to such things, that would be an ideal doorway for diversion.

I think we always existed and always will. Trying to put that into some sort of physical theory is plausible, but not the be all.





Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 29, 2016 04:17 pm
Dr. Tucker brings cases of children remembering past lives in his book 'Return to Life: Extraordinary Cases of Children Who Remember Their Past Lives."

Close to three quarters of the cases investigated by the team are "solved" meaning that a person from the past matching the child's memories is identified.



Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Shannon on Mar 01, 2016 04:35 pm
There is a fascinating series of books on this topic by Michael Newton Phd.  Dr. Newton used hypnotherapy to regress thousands of people through their current lives to assist in finding the possible sources of psychological problems, in an effort to help rid them of them.  In doing this, he began to see a pattern in that frequently memories began resurfacing from lives prior to the patient's current life.  Sometimes the lives were on different planets or other dimensions.  After some time, he opted to make researching this phenomenon his life's work.  My favorite is called Destiny of Souls New Case Studies of Life Between Lives - is all about where we reside in the spirit realm in between incarnations. Fascinating, detailed, mind blowing stuff!  One must take it with a grain of salt, of course, but I recommend these books for anyone interested in the topic.

Despite our various paths and beliefs, I feel there must be an ultimate truth - meaning, things are as they are - there is a design to things.  We in human form are sort of like the blind men feeling an elephant in a room.  One touches the trunk, another feels only a foot - we all percieve a different aspect and come to vastly different conclusions, but the elephant is still a whole elephant.  We just cannot see it because we are blind.  Lol.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SI on Mar 02, 2016 03:43 am
Dr. Tucker brings cases of children remembering past lives in his book 'Return to Life: Extraordinary Cases of Children Who Remember Their Past Lives."

Close to three quarters of the cases investigated by the team are "solved" meaning that a person from the past matching the child's memories is identified.

I'm sure that it happens, but it doesn't appear to happen to all of us. They may have had some kind of desire from before, or it might be some tramp soul causing mischief.

It's possible if you dwell on it long enough it might be harder to not come back here too.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 02, 2016 05:07 pm
There is a fascinating series of books on this topic by Michael Newton Phd.  Dr. Newton used hypnotherapy to regress thousands of people through their current lives to assist in finding the possible sources of psychological problems, in an effort to help rid them of them.  In doing this, he began to see a pattern in that frequently memories began resurfacing from lives prior to the patient's current life.  Sometimes the lives were on different planets or other dimensions.  After some time, he opted to make researching this phenomenon his life's work.  My favorite is called Destiny of Souls New Case Studies of Life Between Lives - is all about where we reside in the spirit realm in between incarnations. Fascinating, detailed, mind blowing stuff!  One must take it with a grain of salt, of course, but I recommend these books for anyone interested in the topic.

Despite our various paths and beliefs, I feel there must be an ultimate truth - meaning, things are as they are - there is a design to things.  We in human form are sort of like the blind men feeling an elephant in a room.  One touches the trunk, another feels only a foot - we all percieve a different aspect and come to vastly different conclusions, but the elephant is still a whole elephant.  We just cannot see it because we are blind.  Lol.

Hello friend

i spent sometime this morning going over some of Dr. Newton's material. It was nice of you to share it with us. If those books were around me i am sure i would pick them up and read thru them. You are quite a reader. i rarely go out and buy a book anymore but if there is one around i will look at it. Especially if it is from a friends 'library'. When i was younger; i spent quite a lot of time reading material by such people as Robert Monroe, Elizabeth Haich and Helen Grieves that covered a lot of the material you are exposing to us here. Although they were sharing much of their personal experiences.

Since then there have been quite a few personal experiences i  have had and with other people that have led me into the vault of between lives and past life encounters. So today i rely more on meditation and the magnetism that it provides to lead me to such discoveries if they are to be part of my spiritual unfoldment. Thank You so much for sharing some of your interests with us Shannon and the spiritual excitement and inspiration they generate.

At the risk of getting too personal - i have encountered some past life and between life phenomena with people here and at yoganandaji.org. It appears to me that sometimes we are not meant to tap too deeply into past life encounters with some of the people we meet and are close to because those memories may influence current outlook on the people and relationships we are now working on and with. Although i do believe it is helpful to have some past life and in between life memories and revelations to explain behavior patterns and just what we are working on again with the people and situations involved. So like most experiences there can be two ways of looking at it. If i can find few or no clues of what type of relationships i have had with others between lives or in past lives it leads me to believe that there is a lot of free choices involved. Freewill may predominate in those encounters which will 'determine' future scenarios in future episodes of reincarnation and soul travel. Generally though the desire to understand the nature of circumstances and people in our lives also leads to 'revealing' answers in one way or another.

i looked in the present and saw your post after mine. It makes me happy that you may come back to this post later on. One thing that is interesting about the internet is that to some degree we often can 'change' the past. 'b' eluded to this when he removed some of his posts. i seldom make this a practice. That is because i feel we can learn from our past and some of the mistakes we may have made. If other people can not recognize that we are no longer our past and we are moving forward then they are stuck themselves. Let us forgive and forget some things!

However as a teenager i used to write long letters to friends. Many of those letters were rewritten and some wadded up and never mailed. Others took sometime to write and later i added to them. In some ways i see writing posts in a similar manner. i remember somebody saying on line once at yoganandaji.org that i put things in later as though it may be a bad quality. i just don't see it that way. i am just putting down my ideas and later i may find a better way of expressing them. Especially if i can b kinder in some ways. It is a learning experience just watching all these things we have done in the recent (this life) and distant past (reincarnation and between lives) and trying to make adjustments to them and allowing others to do the same.

This leads to my last point. In the post below u ask if it is possible to get too attached to a spiritual family. Yes i believe it is possible to get too attached to certain spiritual groups, and certain people that you have shared many spiritual encounters with. i have found that it is often difficult to explain this to others. Because they may think u are disloyal, jealous egotistical .....any number of things. They can and have acted very angrily and vindictive. Which leads one to wonder about spiritual development of those involved and how to communicate kindly with respect for the views of others.

It also can b difficult distancing oneself from what may b outgrown relationships we have held with others that do have a certain spiritual quality. It is an interesting point that you may have encountered yourself and perhaps are sensitive to its occurrence with me and others close to me as well. Although i have also experienced that these relationships can just as easily have a friendly tone and an understanding because of qualities developed in spiritual growth. The closest example i can give is how monastics intentionally separate females and males because of this tremendous attraction and attachment that often results.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Shannon on Mar 02, 2016 05:27 pm
My pleasure Steve.  It's true, I have always been a book worm.  My happiest memories of childhood are curled up in hidden places with something to read.  I think it is my personality, but also because my environnment was lacking.  It's sort of like what you wrote elsewhere here - if not for technology, how would you have met all the interesting people online?  Same for me with books.  Books are magical little time capsules - you get to 'meet' people you never would have otherwise, even if they are far away or dead already.  :) But books alone are not enough.  Meditation is very important, more important, really.  I also have a 'little finger' that talks a lot.  My daughter and I laugh about my little finger - she always asks my little finger where she lost this or that, or what's going to happen here or there. Ha ha. 

While meditating a few days ago a thought came to mind afterwards - about soul friends, soul groups - life between lives, etc.  Maybe this post on reincarnation triggered it - or maybe events going on in my personal life  -  I am not sure.  The thought was this: is it possible that 'old souls' - those who have incarnated many, many times - who have a 'spiritual family' with whom they've played out many roles with again and again - might become attached, even addicted, to that spiritual family - and be held back because of it?  Imagine there are even higher dimensions beyond this 3d realm and even the immediate astral realm just beyond it.  Maybe some of us enjoy the play just a little too much!  Ha ha.  We take turns incarnating, or playing spirit guide for our friends from beyond, seeking each other out - playing out the lessons but not quite advancing, getting.... stuck.  I wonder.  What do you think?

P.S. I see you've added to your post above at the same time I was replying - didn't read it all thoroughly yet,  but will try to come back later tonight and do so!


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Shannon on Mar 03, 2016 02:20 am
Hello Steve, it rings true that we are not meant to tap too deeply into past life encounters with others, for after all, God allows us a clean slate - so that we can begin again, fresh.  When I encounter someone I believe I knew before, I definitely notice it.  If they are close to me in this life, I wonder if there is unfinished business - and I often feel extremely close to them - but in general, if it is a passing aquaintance, there is merely a general familial nod, and life goes on.  I do not feel at all compelled to seek such people out.  Do you?  I figure if they are meant to play a role, they will.  Sometimes it is useful for people to experience memories of past lives, but one can rarely be sure if these 'memories' are actually our own, or merely memories from the cosmic consciousness that we happen to identify with.  Either way, if it brings growth - it is good.  If it brings stagnation, it is not so good.  I trust God to make the distinctions.  :)


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 03, 2016 03:13 am
Hello Steve, it rings true that we are not meant to tap too deeply into past life encounters with others, for after all, God allows us a clean slate - so that we can begin again, fresh.  When I encounter someone I believe I knew before, I definitely notice it.  If they are close to me in this life, I wonder if there is unfinished business - and I often feel extremely close to them - but in general, if it is a passing aquaintance, there is merely a general familial nod, and life goes on.  I do not feel at all compelled to seek such people out.  Do you?  I figure if they are meant to play a role, they will.  Sometimes it is useful for people to experience memories of past lives, but one can rarely be sure if these 'memories' are actually our own, or merely memories from the cosmic consciousness that we happen to identify with.  Either way, if it brings growth - it is good.  If it brings stagnation, it is not so good.  I trust God to make the distinctions.  :)

When you say that we are not sure if these memories are actually our own it leads me to to tell you about a personal experience. As a teenager i had problems wearing shirts because the cloth irritated one side of my chest. It became such an issue that my mother decided to resolve it once and for all and we went to our doctor who told us there was nothing wrong with the right side of my chest .

Years later a woman and man came into my music store and having a hunch they were not from around that area i asked them what they were doing in the area. They told me that they were readers/psychics and were putting on a seminar in a near by town. i told them that i held astrology classes at my store and it would be nice to have them come. They said they would. While at the class i introduced them and they said they would be willing to do a psychic reading. No one seemed interested to volunteer so i did. They asked me if there was anything i wanted to know. i said yes could you tell me anything about my past lives?The woman was quiet and closed her eyes then opened them and said you were in the civil war and was shot in the right chest and died. She also told me that i lived in India and was struck by a cobra early in life.

Do i feel compelled to seek out people from the past you ask. Shannon you and i have some past encounters. We are learning how to serve others unselfishly together and help each other in the process. This is evident in the Moon/Neptune combust (conjunction) position in our charts in the 6th house of service at the critical degree of 29 degrees Scorpio. Somethings are just self evident. Interestingly enough that aspect has Mars over it as we speak which is triggering this present encounter. There are other factors that signify this as well. Life sometimes seeks us out in our encounters. The choice we have is to what degree we choose to participate.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SI on Mar 03, 2016 07:34 am
When you say that we are not sure if these memories are actually our own it leads me to to tell you about a personal experience. As a teenager i had problems wearing shirts because the cloth irritated one side of my chest. It became such an issue that my mother decided to resolve it once and for all and we went to our doctor who told us there was nothing wrong with the right side of my chest .

Years later a woman and man came into my music store and having a hunch they were not from around that area i asked them what they were doing in the area. They told me that they were readers/psychics and were putting on a seminar in a near by town. i told them that i held astrology classes at my store and it would be nice to have them come. They said they would. While at the class i introduced them and they said they would be willing to do a psychic reading. No one seemed interested to volunteer so i did. They asked me if there was anything i wanted to know. i said yes could you tell me anything about my past lives?The woman was quiet and closed her eyes then opened them and said you were in the civil war and was shot in the right chest and died. She also told me that i lived in India and was struck by a cobra early in life.

Do i feel compelled to seek out people from the past you ask. Shannon you and i have some past encounters. We are learning how to serve others unselfishly together and help each other in the process. This is evident in the Moon/Neptune combust (conjunction) position in our charts in the 6th house of service at the critical degree of 29 degrees Scorpio. Somethings are just self evident. Interestingly enough that aspect has Mars over it as we speak which is triggering this present encounter. There are other factors that signify this as well. Life sometimes seeks us out in our encounters. The choice we have is to what degree we choose to participate.

So since I've never had these things happen to me, can you say that it has helped you in some way to know what might have happened in the past, or how astrology has given you answers to current situations?



Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 03, 2016 11:57 am
When you say that we are not sure if these memories are actually our own it leads me to to tell you about a personal experience. As a teenager i had problems wearing shirts because the cloth irritated one side of my chest. It became such an issue that my mother decided to resolve it once and for all and we went to our doctor who told us there was nothing wrong with the right side of my chest .

Years later a woman and man came into my music store and having a hunch they were not from around that area i asked them what they were doing in the area. They told me that they were readers/psychics and were putting on a seminar in a near by town. i told them that i held astrology classes at my store and it would be nice to have them come. They said they would. While at the class i introduced them and they said they would be willing to do a psychic reading. No one seemed interested to volunteer so i did. They asked me if there was anything i wanted to know. i said yes could you tell me anything about my past lives?The woman was quiet and closed her eyes then opened them and said you were in the civil war and was shot in the right chest and died. She also told me that i lived in India and was struck by a cobra early in life.

Do i feel compelled to seek out people from the past you ask. Shannon you and i have some past encounters. We are learning how to serve others unselfishly together and help each other in the process. This is evident in the Moon/Neptune combust (conjunction) position in our charts in the 6th house of service at the critical degree of 29 degrees Scorpio. Somethings are just self evident. Interestingly enough that aspect has Mars over it as we speak which is triggering this present encounter. There are other factors that signify this as well. Life sometimes seeks us out in our encounters. The choice we have is to what degree we choose to participate.

So since I've never had these things happen to me, can you say that it has helped you in some way to know what might have happened in the past, or how astrology has given you answers to current situations?

Astrology is not for everyone SI. You feel as though knowing about the future and what people have brought from the past can influence the present. Then can knowing about the present also influence the present? Each of us has our unique perspectives that we share and can help those around us. i feel that i was helped by my last conversation i had with you on the phone. U have had other things happen to you that have given you the ability to look at things in way that can help others. If your way works for you who am i to disagree? i would rather learn from u and feel that each one of us has something to share with one another that is helpful.

i will add this though since you asked and have told me that we may be influenced in our outcomes by the existence of astrology. Even the quality of free will is a karmically earned quality that is evident in astrology. For instance mccoy has a lot of free will choices in this life surrounding values shared and encountered with others he meets  and what he learns about them from other people. Shannon has a lot of free will choices surrounding her relationships and talents of others she meets in her life that can help her in relationships and service. These are earned qualities from previous life episodes. Shannon has the ability to attract spiritual connections for her own growth and mccoy has the ability to attract  values that are different then his own for his souls growth. These can often be seen as challenging to his own views. In Brock there is the ability to choose his own religious beliefs and career choices. He has chosen to have an environment where this could be done. Although at times in this process he finds communication with others to be confusing and challenging. How do we distinguish the truth from that which is untrue and deceptive? First we must ask the question of ourselves. In Eric there is the ability to gain insights on unconscious phenomena thru destined associations he comes in contact from others in his life. 

How we choose to use these 'gifts' is up to the individual. Will we use the power (which is symbolized by the presence of conjunctions of planets) in a manner which is conducive to and interdependent with our spiritual community? Can the individual take this power and channel it into areas which promote well-being and growth with others? Or will we (i also have a similar challenge) use this power for our own gain and ego expansion at the expense of others? This is the free choice and herein lies the souls challenge. We can take the later course which will set up new karmic conditions, new lessons to be learned in the form of phenomena which will occur  to us at later points in time. Or we can take the former and get it right this time around; Life being a school with tests along the way.

It helps me to know what 'gifts' are given to others so that i am able to better serve them if and when they are receptive and conversely they can do the same for me if and when i am receptive. So my answer to you is that when u are receptive you too will find the different talents in others helpful to your own growth and understanding as i have found yours helpful to my challenges in life.

Astrology is only one way to understand ourselves and the world around us. I love the expansion of consciousness the stars and the nite sky gives and can see the synchronicity between events here and there.  The study of astrology is facinating  in so many ways specifically to understand ourselves and our place in the universe.

For the question;  'Has it helped me to know about the past?' --- What is the difference between the past in this life or some other life? Has it helped you to know about the past in this life? Like any thing else it has the potential to help or harm. If we learn from the past of course it is helpful. If we dwell in the past perhaps not.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SI on Mar 03, 2016 06:24 pm
Yes free will, free choice, of course.

But I can be influenced as well.

If some ghost appeared in front of me and then vanished, then sure I have the choice to do what I will with that information.

But I am however influenced, almost compelled, to now change my thoughts from here on out. Hard to help that.

Did it do me any good? Or was it a detriment? Should it be used as a helper to advance myself, or should I discard it best I can since it might be an attempt to distract me? See what I'm saying? Playing with some of this stuff might burn me.





Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 03, 2016 09:47 pm
Yes free will, free choice, of course.

But I can be influenced as well.

If some ghost appeared in front of me and then vanished, then sure I have the choice to do what I will with that information.

But I am however influenced, almost compelled, to now change my thoughts from here on out. Hard to help that.

Did it do me any good? Or was it a detriment? Should it be used as a helper to advance myself, or should I discard it best I can since it might be an attempt to distract me? See what I'm saying? Playing with some of this stuff might burn me.


SI, if it doesn't bother you I doubt it can have any negative effects


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SI on Mar 03, 2016 10:16 pm
Ha, yes, well, in this case recklessness could be harmful, but if you think it's OK for you then it is.

There's always hope in contradiction ~Unknown


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Shannon on Mar 04, 2016 12:37 am
Shot dead in the American Civil War?  How gruesome!  Horrible.   :'(. I think you misunderstood what I meant about the cosmic consciousness - didn't mean I don't believe we do not have individual histories - just meant that when we (or the regressor if we go to a pro) try to seek them out, we might be tapping into a broader pool of information that we realize.    ;D.  Aside from the American Civil war era, do you have any other impressions of times or places tou might have lived?  It's alright if you do not wish to share.  I am just curious.    :)


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 04, 2016 02:41 am
Shot dead in the American Civil War?  How gruesome!  Horrible.   :'(. I think you misunderstood what I meant about the cosmic consciousness - didn't mean I don't believe we do not have individual histories - just meant that when we (or the regressor if we go to a pro) try to seek them out, we might be tapping into a broader pool of information that we realize.    ;D.  Aside from the American Civil war era, do you have any other impressions of times or places tou might have lived?  It's alright if you do not wish to share.  I am just curious.    :)

Yes but not always as clear and as believable as the Civil War and India lives, ... in Europe (Spain France Ireland Scotland...the Druids) and long ago on the American Continent and how about you? My fascination with Atlantis and Lemuria have also made me wonder. Perhaps the time of Christ as a martyr and as a eunuch in another period.

The cosmic consciousness we identify with...hmmm... i think i still see things too personally to expand to that state. But it is certainly a goal worthy of our continuous efforts. i can see Amma saying she is Paramahansa Yogananda since she appears to be in that state.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Shannon on Mar 04, 2016 04:47 pm
Hmmm. I am attracted to many times and places, but have no actual knowledge of having been alive in any one of them.  Scottish highlands, during the time of Culloden - but that may be because my current heritage comes from there.  France - especially the Cathars in Medieval times; I feel a real affinity for that region/group, but again that can be traced to today.  I once started weeping uncontrollably watching a documentery on Burmese Monks - during the time they were being slaughtered.  It was very weird, but the material was also very sad - so it could have just been the violence of it.  The Cheyenne people.  I have a vague memory/fantasy of dying in a desert, looking up over my shoulder at the sun then floating up into it.  Also, an impression of a castle or large stone building - a friend sitting in an open windowframe smiling at me with deep affection - the sun highlighting his hair, beard.  That scene always reminds me of my husband. Maybe it was him.  :). Other than that, odd sensations - like a vague memory of lying on cold stone or concrete with sun coming through an opening above me, sunlight through forest trees.  A lot of these impressions include sunshine in some form.  For a long time I had an aversion to India.  A strong one.  Then Yogananda appeared on my scene, and I got over it.  Ha ha. 


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: SI on Mar 05, 2016 07:49 am
My fascination with Atlantis and Lemuria have also made me wonder. Perhaps the time of Christ as a martyr and as a eunuch in another period.

I'm very interested in Atlantis too, some very elaborate theories out there. Quartz crystals I tend to like as well for some reason, which one theory suggests they used very large crystals to create energy for various purposes.

I suppose you could link interests/feelings with past lives or past experiences, however it seems something more than that, my limited knowledge, sure, can envision a past life, but maybe it is something more that I just cannot understand, yet.

For example I really like curry vegies with rice, I mean one of my favorites. I had a monk from SRF tell me must've been from India in a past life. Sure possibly, (I have a hunch he heard that from someone else as I did), but it might be something that is not in a dimension that we relate to, like a physical past incarnation, I think it's a connection to something that encompasses much more than that, I just don't know what it is.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 05, 2016 08:08 pm
My fascination with Atlantis and Lemuria have also made me wonder. Perhaps the time of Christ as a martyr and as a eunuch in another period.

I'm very interested in Atlantis too, some very elaborate theories out there. Quartz crystals I tend to like as well for some reason, which one theory suggests they used very large crystals to create energy for various purposes.

I suppose you could link interests/feelings with past lives or past experiences, however it seems something more than that, my limited knowledge, sure, can envision a past life, but maybe it is something more that I just cannot understand, yet.

For example I really like curry vegies with rice, I mean one of my favorites. I had a monk from SRF tell me must've been from India in a past life. Sure possibly, (I have a hunch he heard that from someone else as I did), but it might be something that is not in a dimension that we relate to, like a physical past incarnation, I think it's a connection to something that encompasses much more than that, I just don't know what it is.

There is always more then one way of explaining things SI. When you have a deep interest in something and it keeps returning to your consciousness often an explanation eventually appears. Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the doors will be open.... a bit like that.


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Mar 05, 2016 09:00 pm
Hmmm. I am attracted to many times and places, but have no actual knowledge of having been alive in any one of them.  Scottish highlands, during the time of Culloden - but that may be because my current heritage comes from there.  France - especially the Cathars in Medieval times; I feel a real affinity for that region/group, but again that can be traced to today.  I once started weeping uncontrollably watching a documentery on Burmese Monks - during the time they were being slaughtered.  It was very weird, but the material was also very sad - so it could have just been the violence of it.  The Cheyenne people.  I have a vague memory/fantasy of dying in a desert, looking up over my shoulder at the sun then floating up into it.  Also, an impression of a castle or large stone building - a friend sitting in an open windowframe smiling at me with deep affection - the sun highlighting his hair, beard.  That scene always reminds me of my husband. Maybe it was him.  :). Other than that, odd sensations - like a vague memory of lying on cold stone or concrete with sun coming through an opening above me, sunlight through forest trees.  A lot of these impressions include sunshine in some form.  For a long time I had an aversion to India.  A strong one.  Then Yogananda appeared on my scene, and I got over it.  Ha ha. 

You have left quite lot of people, places and times to think about. i have always had a difficult time relatng to any of the 'kingdoms' of Europe. i always totally rejected them and find it very difficult to believe that for instance today in England; the people would actually even tolerate a family thinking that they are some how more privileged then others because they were born into a certain gene pool. It is really a type of racism since those 'below' them are not as 'important'. They may have the same skin color but have a purer blood type. Rite? Snobs!

The Cathars in France brought and immediate interest since they represented part of the gnostic movement. i have always thought that such early Christian movements represented a truer version of the message of Christ. But ofcourse they were always persecuted by main stream Christianity. Which is why it is best for many of us to totally reject conventional Christianity.

You and i both seem to have a latent interest in Buddhism. That is nice. i was involved with getting a couple of Buddhist Meditation groups off the ground. i also feel a strong support for the buddhists of Tibet who have been treated so cruel by the Chinese. How can we ever trust a government that destroys its own spirituality and religious traditions?

Interestingly enough i wrote a song about Cheyenne and the Cheyenne called 'Flurries in Cheyenne'. The trail of tears and the early Indians plight.... their spirituality has always been of interest to me.... Way back from the days of reading Carlos Castaneda and exploring my natural affinity to the Americas before being colonized.

i wonder if the cold concrete may have been in the Egyptian or Mayan periods. Not too many forests in Egypt that i know of though. Perhaps the early Americans had places like this or the Celts.

Aversions to places.... in yours; India may have to do with difficult experiences in those countries.

It is nice that you seem to still feel something for your husband and have not resorted to negative emotions towards him. That is a spiritual quality you can be proud of if you can continue it throughout this time in your life.

i talked to a friend last nite who has visual flashes of past lives. i have had that happen. Like a whole scene opens up to your inner gaze. You have a 'vision'. When it happens it is as though you have a break thru of some sort because if for instance you are with some one thinking of them or talking to them---- you get a grasp of what they are about. What they have done with you in the past and what you are encountering with them in the present. Bringing our interest in such subjects out in the open often draws people and places to you that help in an understanding of the past and why it has led you here to work out issues and help others that you have been with before.

The significance of the Sun which you have often seen in these experiences interests me. The Sun is the key to life's cosmic rays flowing thru us and those rays that we manifest transforming our reality. In your case your Sun being quite active in Scorpio in the house of service and health. Sun shining thru the forest trees: These are days to remember....sitting under a tree meditating. Walking with a friend or alone in the woods! Sometimes in our visions we do not always look backward but forwards as well!

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Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 12, 2016 12:43 pm
If God arbitrarily makes persons of reasonable out unreasonable mentality, souls predisposed to be either good or bad , nudged by a favorable or unfavorable earthly inheritance, and endowed babies  with reason and then let's them die before they can express their potentials, just for the sake of variety, then this earth is a hopeless mess, and it's creatures hapless puppets dancing on strings of chance. Our common sense tells us that there must be a wider purpose  from a creator who is wisdom itself. The reason and free choice of every human being must have time and equal opportunity to evolve and express the full God given divinity of the soul..... Paramahansa Yogananda


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on May 26, 2020 09:01 pm
The fact that we may not remember our former lives does not mean that we did not exist before. We do not remember the nine months of our embryonic existence in this life, nor do we remember when we were six months old. It is all the less likely therefore that we would remember when we had lived in a different body with a different brain and nervous system and a different appearance.~Paramahansa Yogananda


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 03, 2022 04:35 pm
The fact that we may not remember our former lives does not mean that we did not exist before. We do not remember the nine months of our embryonic existence in this life, nor do we remember when we were six months old. It is all the less likely therefore that we would remember when we had lived in a different body with a different brain and nervous system and a different appearance.

Evolution and Reincarnation Lesson #133 Self-Realization Fellowship

~Paramahansa Yogananda


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 27, 2022 07:36 pm
Reincarnation is one of the greatest doctrines; without the concept of reincarnation we cannot conceive, from the limited perspective of one life, the eternal justice of God. ~ Paramahansa Yogananda


Title: Re: Reincarnation
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Jun 03, 2024 05:50 am
One of the indicators of reincarnation is a feeling of a closeness or knowing that you were somehow connected with a certain time period.