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Title: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: yoshi on May 21, 2011 06:48 pm there are two ways to view life......1)through the christ consciousness (awake) or 2)through avidya (asleep)
when a soul moves from one consciousness to the other,,,from asleep to awake , during that time both consciousness' it views through. transition from one consciousness to the other.....is not an easy journey. it takes strong will.....determination.....strength. help from a master is always a one-der-full thing... when a soul tires of viewing/experiencing life thru avidya.....it will find that strength to make the transition into the christ consciousness.... sometimes....it is through the circumstances in life it is in, suffering.....example: 'tough'-abusive marriages or relationships (including family/friends).....painful medical conditions....and so on. for me.....when i seem to be 'suffering',,,,the first one whom i call out for is God.... also....in the 'good times',,,the first one i thank for them is God.... (((Love&Hugs&OM))) <3<3<3 yoshi Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on May 21, 2011 06:59 pm i agree with u and your post. Yet when two people r looking at a situation and both are viewing from christ consciousness yet their views differ then there is incongruity until an adjustment has been made to incorporate both views or we find our error and remedy it. So like wise u and i often spin our wheels Anne and nothing is accomplished by going over and over the same issues. It is good to recognize when it is best to leave someone alone for a while. This does not have to be a permanent phenomena. Master himself often did this with his devotees. There is still love and you know that. i pray for u and the choices u make.
Jitendra Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Lucky Denver on May 21, 2011 08:17 pm Although I do think that fully developed or "true" Christ Consciousness means that even having different views, will not feel friction or conflict between different views because, by nature, it should be developed enough to already understand the intimate and unique reasons and motivations for all views, and the scope that others have.
Love Lucky Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on May 22, 2011 02:42 am Although I do think that fully developed or "true" Christ Consciousness means that even having different views, will not feel friction or conflict between different views because, by nature, it should be developed enough to already understand the intimate and unique reasons and motivations for all views, and the scope that others have. Love Lucky There was a great man who said he was the truth. When asked what was the truth he remained silent. So u see by his actions he caused friction and conflict. Yet he was at peace and felt only love. Such is my example. Jitendra Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Lucky Denver on May 22, 2011 03:25 am Quote from: Steve Hydonus Yet he was at peace and felt only love Yes, I agree. Perhaps it was my wording but essentially I agree that this is the key and mark of higher consciousness even in the fact of conflict. :) Love Lucky Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: guest88 on May 23, 2011 08:22 am hey steve
i was wondering about this man tonight also spiritual masters so he felt good inside ? how did he cultivate this feeling ? maybe he didn't talk as much because he found true joy in watching god before him ! observing, listening, or maybe something else ... ? i was watching a movie yesterday about racing and drifting one of the characters said, "everyone's faster in the presence of a master" roughly translated to 'professional'(they were talking about pro racers versus street racers) the line had me thinking do you think yogananda had this effect around others? was it a result of his pursuits- just naturally being ? like a strong aura effecting those within its radius ? is it possible for auras to dominate over others ? anne ? i'd like to hear what you have to say. thank you for posting this speaking of will power i really liked this Quote Why Do Men Do Evil? http://musicmeditate.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,1523.msg9376.html#msg9376Because they do not use will power to carry out their resolutions. Be faithful to your resolutions. i really appreciate the timing of all these recent threads and interest thanks all thank u ! gnight ;D Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on May 23, 2011 10:09 am Well Eric he said that the only difference between a saint and us, is that a saint kept trying.
Jitendra Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: guest88 on May 24, 2011 06:29 am So like wise u and i often spin our wheels and nothing is accomplished by going over and over the same issues. It is good to recognize when it is best to leave someone alone for a while. This does not have to be a permanent phenomena. Master himself often did this with his devotees. hi jitendra i have a friend who is good at viewing others spinning their wheels after choosing to separate from that entity. she slips through and often goes unnoticed maybe i'm looking to far into it but its an interesting thought i was there once or twice with her to see it hah theres always a flipside though not trying to be delusional just intrigued by the concept. Quote It is good to recognize when it is best to leave someone alone for a while. i think thats true and think in life we play both sides of your statement. both valuable and later may reveal the love behind it all.Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on May 24, 2011 07:20 am So like wise u and i often spin our wheels and nothing is accomplished by going over and over the same issues. It is good to recognize when it is best to leave someone alone for a while. This does not have to be a permanent phenomena. Master himself often did this with his devotees. hi jitendra i have a friend who is good at viewing others spinning their wheels after choosing to separate from that entity. she slips through and often goes unnoticed maybe i'm looking to far into it but its an interesting thought i was there once or twice with her to see it hah theres always a flipside though not trying to be delusional just intrigued by the concept. Quote It is good to recognize when it is best to leave someone alone for a while. i think thats true and think in life we play both sides of your statement. both valuable and later may reveal the love behind it all.Got your sniffers and sensors going on high alert? Jitendra hey steve i was wondering about this man tonight also spiritual masters so he felt good inside ? He had God and he knew he did. If you have God and know it for even a few seconds that bliss u will never forget it stays with u forever. how did he cultivate this feeling ? Being in the stillness with God. In his book it says: 'Be still and know that I am God.' maybe he didn't talk as much because he found true joy in watching god before him ! observing, listening, or maybe something else ... ? Being of service to his fellow man. i was watching a movie yesterday about racing and drifting one of the characters said, "everyone's faster in the presence of a master" roughly translated to 'professional'(they were talking about pro racers versus street racers) the line had me thinking do you think yogananda had this effect around others? was it a result of his pursuits- just naturally being ? i met someone that was with him in the flesh. He said i felt so much bliss in his presence that i felt i couldn't stand it and he (PY) was in a wheel chair taking on the karma of others. But picking up my thoughts he said. "Don't worry you'll get yours'. like a strong aura effecting those within its radius ? Yes Amma has an aura like that some spiritual people have this aura. If you r receptive u start feeling an elevated state just being in their presence. is it possible for auras to dominate over others ? yes it is a misuse of magnetism and auras. Yet i remember meeting a man like that once. His name was Brother Turyananda. i once told him that if he told me to go over a hill and there were soldiers on the other side with guns aimed at me i would fight them. He told me that is because his words had soul force. i had never met some one quite like him. He dominated but it was with a good force. It was something you would have stood behind and supported. anne ? i'd like to hear what you have to say. thank you for posting this Anne has something very special to offer all of us. We r fortunate to have her with us. God speaks thru our friends but sometimes it is more noticeable than other times. We have people here on the forum that have helped me realize just how much God does speak to us thru friends. i also thank her for this post. speaking of will power i really liked this Quote Why Do Men Do Evil? http://musicmeditate.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,1523.msg9376.html#msg9376Because they do not use will power to carry out their resolutions. Be faithful to your resolutions. i really appreciate the timing of all these recent threads and interest thanks all thank u ! gnight ;D Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: flying squirrel on May 24, 2011 10:04 am how boring life would be if we all had same viewpoints
spinning the wheel is good exercise ! ;D mentally and physically 8) sometimes it is wise to just let things be, hearing the Beatles singing again ! ;D maybe I am a channel for them ? 8) anyone got any other music to listen to ? Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: yoshi on May 28, 2011 07:34 pm eric wrote:
Quote do you think yogananda had this effect around others? was it a result of his pursuits- just naturally being ? like a strong aura effecting those within its radius ? is it possible for auras to dominate over others ? i believe all masters have a ''quickening affect'' on others <3<3<3 they can speed up Liberation....help us Realize God faster ;) bring the Light to our Kutastha's aka third eye's. yes.....like a strong aura affecting those within it's radius..... :D ""is it possible for auras to dominate over others ?"" yes, i believe so. bringing the Light into Kutastha.... God's places me upon the lap of others....i bring the Light to Kutastha....enter the Light... the White Light....God's Light/ hOMe......we enter the Light in Kutastha,,,,,the Light will help Liberation happen. it will help Liberation come....it is up to the receiver to make Liberation happen. all the Light does,,,,is give the seed of Liberation to receiver,,,,the receiver needs to care for the seed,,,,take care of it....water, feed it....in order for it to grow to maturity.... ((((((( Hugs&Love&OM ))))))) yoshi Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: omkar on May 29, 2011 10:17 am What a beautiful post! Thank you, namaste2All!
Anne, all is about growth. Relationships change. Spirit never changes. You know it. Praying for you, Light and Love, One'n'All, -ways, o. Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Beatrice Landcaster on May 29, 2011 02:03 pm What a beautiful post! Thank you, namaste2All! Anne, all is about growth. Relationships change. Spirit never changes. You know it. Praying for you, Light and Love, One'n'All, -ways, o. Well ya'al must know then that I be spirit itself. Because you'all can see that if'n there was any change in me i'd be a showin it and ya'al know that. So give credit where credit is due. I'm a free spirit one in all. Mercy be Owen shed a little bit of that Holy spirit on this one. Well iz be a frightened rabbit if i didn't know better myself that my relationships are only gettin better. So what u all chompin the bit about? Lookit here son u'all always got me. Lordy be ya'll can't win for loosin'. You be a talkin about the envustability and what not about that there death when y'all have hardly lived/ What's gottin into ya? Ya got weevils in your wheat? Lookit here you'all come to the states a now ajoin us for a little corn silk ceremony and get your tethered mind off all that rot. i'm goina show you how to live. Ya hear me all? Then that there Nomaste comes out of his shell once in a blue moon to give us a look at the nucleus and all those other cat games that go on in his head. What's this world a comin to? you'all lost the smell of the hay off the fields in the early mornin due? Beatrice Landcaster Title: there are ways to tell what consciousness one resides in...... Post by: yoshi on Nov 12, 2011 02:06 pm in order to transcend body consciousness / or getting back into god consciousness....we must be constantly aware of our thoughts and reactions towards others.....
'would god react in this way' ? 'would god say this' ? if we get upset , hurt , or if we experience anger.....be aware of how we react. (((Love&Hugs&OM))) yoshi Title: Re: there are ways to tell what consciousness one resides in...... Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 12, 2011 08:14 pm in order to transcend body consciousness / or getting back into god consciousness....we must be constantly aware of our thoughts and reactions towards others..... 'would god react in this way' ? 'would god say this' ? if we get upset , hurt , or if we experience anger.....be aware of how we react. (((Love&Hugs&OM))) yoshi This post is not meant for any one person. It is a response to a thread. Sometimes people react so personally and so much from their ego that they think every comment is for them personally. i even remember being censored and had the most important part of post removed from a post i wrote because someone misunderstood me. Nothing should b taken so personally when it is helpful to all and if someone does not want a response to a post why risk the answer by putting it up in the first place? It is possible that a compliment can b misconstrued as a criticism. So it is better to ask someone first before deleting parts of posts or making closure with someone. When transcending body consciousness/getting back to God some of us show no actions towards others. They should instead b aware of how they have no ability to act at all even when others patiently wait for them. Love requires action. They have become cold to life and life passes them by. Others let them go because they show no human capacity for love and as a result they feel abandoned. Words r meaningless. Actions speak. There is no hurt, no upset no experience of anger when there is love. Love makes an effort to understand the imperfections of others. Love meets others half way. Love conquers all. To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. There is a fitting time for people to get together and there is a time for them to b apart. Sometimes we need to recognize that these times of being together r very short and far between. To concentrate on little differences between one another is to miss the forest for the trees. But some of us will hold on to little hurts and loose track of the larger purpose behind important contacts with others. Two people who care very much for one another can b temporarily within a few miles of each other and concentrate on their differences rather then their similarities and loose all perspective on the importance of what could b their togetherness. To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time for love and if we miss the opportunity who will b answerable accept ourselves? Jitendra Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: guest88 on Nov 13, 2011 10:55 am hey steve and here i thought you said words are meaningless ? : p : ) well nice post and nice thread. something here earlier had me thinking. thoughts make us or break us. i was thinking about connection and things that are positive. finding appreciation in viewing that same thing differently. i pray for new perspectives in hopes to find the thoughts that makes us. and i'm guessing this understanding goes past the physical. ideas and actions, life and death- everyday, in every moment. sometimes things need to die to birth anew. eh idk
Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 14, 2011 12:00 am hey steve and here i thought you said words are meaningless ? : p : ) well nice post and nice thread. something here earlier had me thinking. thoughts make us or break us. i was thinking about connection and things that are positive. finding appreciation in viewing that same thing differently. i pray for new perspectives in hopes to find the thoughts that makes us. and i'm guessing this understanding goes past the physical. ideas and actions, life and death- everyday, in every moment. sometimes things need to die to birth anew. eh idk Yea i might have said something like that. i've learned a lot lately. Sometimes the consciousness is put on over load. When u meet someone it can be much different then being with them on the internet. i kinda of always thought that but did not really experience it until the last couple of years. So talk is cheap. Yet i will admit i do a lot of it to be degrading it. But then i think people who have met me kinda change their view of me also. It works both ways. i just hope to b a better person but don't know always how to do it. It is good having u come in and make these comments. One thing leads to another. i am humbled by the experiences that r coming my way. i have got a long way to go. Sometimes spirituality is like that. Just recognizing how far we have to go is the humbling experience we need to get to progress to the next step. i'm sure u r headed for a new perspective. That is what i see in your chart. Lot of communication that will bring realizations. The attitudes will need to be adjusted to many changing emotional and jolting sudden epiphanies. Slow by slow Eric. Slow by slow. Life is like a river it flows around us and we flow with it. What a journey! Jitendra Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: guest88 on Nov 14, 2011 07:28 am hi steve. even not online, sometimes people fall in love with or hate me for the idea of who THEY think I AM- just because i might reflect a tiny portion of that idea to them in my actions. i am labeled so many things, some i am aware of- some not- but it doesn't really matter what label is given to you. sometimes though thats hard to accept. something you said that i like here- "just recognizing how far we have to go is the humbling experience we need to get to progress to the next step." true, we are but children here on this earthly realm- all equals with equal opportunity all blessed with the gift of eternal discovery. sometimes we fuck up sometimes we do noble things- we're all learning right ? and you know what- you're a damn good person. you don't need to be better. i'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting to better yourself- i just feel, you've already got the heart. i know i am different from online and in person- i'd love to chill with you i'm sure we'd have a good time :D.
yesterday i thought i heard the whisper, persevere do your thing and brush the doubt off- let the haters hate heheh :P we all do it at one point or another anyways Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 14, 2011 01:05 pm Hi Eric (hope u do not mind calling u by name)We have gained an amount of friendship together and i would like to chill with u also. i have had a chance to do that with friends lately and i am so grateful. i see u have had some issues with women as well. i think the most important part of a relationship of any kind is communication. When communication breaks down we find that the relationship itself breaks down. Other than that we need to recognize that defining a relationship in conventional terms is useless. We need to be creative and find an approach that will meet the needs of those involved.
Sometimes we do have to let go. There is a time and place for everything. i just want to say this about the relationship u mentioned with a woman; if u really feel that u have made some wrong turns with her and she is still willing to communicate with u, there is still the possibility of letting her know that u have made some mistakes. i think it is important to recognize that it takes two people to have a relationship. Those two people must recognize that they as separate entities cannot b always right. Besides even if they/we r right; Is it right to b wrong towards someone else? Humiliation is just ego in disguise. If someone loves u they will not try to humiliate u. It is more likely that both of you have made mistakes. Unless both of u can recognize this fact; it is very difficult to carry on. In the end u can only love someone to the extent that they r willing to let u. If they show little or no love towards u it is better to leave them behind because for those who love~love will always manifest in some other way. This we must have faith in because despite the pain involved in separation it is true. Jitendra Title: Re: there are ways to tell what consciousness one resides in...... Post by: Beatrice Landcaster on Nov 15, 2011 08:06 am in order to transcend body consciousness / or getting back into god consciousness....we must be constantly aware of our thoughts and reactions towards others..... 'would god react in this way' ? 'would god say this' ? if we get upset , hurt , or if we experience anger.....be aware of how we react. (((Love&Hugs&OM))) yoshi Honey I've been so aware of my thoughts about others that I have a bone to pick with ya al. Would God react that way? Certainly he would! He would com wa wompin you like a hive of wasps for co-mingling with the likes of friends and lovers ya all been chosen. I got a perfect right to react with anger. God nabbit you stepped on my foot and its covered with corns. ya al should be tethered to a stake. I transcended this here body years ago when I got bit by mosquitoes in a blueberry patch. They were like some of ya al. They opened their mouth and their body disappeared. But ya al know somethin' ya come up with some humdingers. We enjoy your comin on here and entertainin us. I've been a thinkin that you and that Steve got some weird kind of illness goin on. Can't quite place it. But it's been a smellin up this place and has been an itch under my skin ever since. I'm a thinkin it might be contagious. Beatrice Title: Re: there are ways to tell what consciousness one resides in...... Post by: yoshi on Nov 15, 2011 12:07 pm in order to transcend body consciousness / or getting back into god consciousness....we must be constantly aware of our thoughts and reactions towards others..... 'would god react in this way' ? 'would god say this' ? if we get upset , hurt , or if we experience anger.....be aware of how we react. (((Love&Hugs&OM))) yoshi Honey I've been so aware of my thoughts about others that I have a bone to pick with ya al. Would God react that way? Certainly he would! He would com wa wompin you like a hive of wasps for co-mingling with the likes of friends and lovers ya all been chosen. I got a perfect right to react with anger. God nabbit you stepped on my foot and its covered with corns. ya al should be tethered to a stake. I transcended this here body years ago when I got bit by mosquitoes in a blueberry patch. They were like some of ya al. They opened their mouth and their body disappeared. But ya al know somethin' ya come up with some humdingers. We enjoy your comin on here and entertainin us. I've been a thinkin that you and that Steve got some weird kind of illness goin on. Can't quite place it. But it's been a smellin up this place and has been an itch under my skin ever since. I'm a thinkin it might be contagious. Beatrice i think someone's been smokin some corn husks again.... ;D husks w/fungus....may be causing that itch under ur skin there, honey. Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: yoshi on Nov 15, 2011 12:56 pm one can do things in life and not be attached to them.
for example....i enjoy pizza very much yet not so much so that it will chain or bind me to incarnating again. i see pizza for what it is...it will not bind me to body again. same thing with habits...smoking....etc Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: flying squirrel on Nov 15, 2011 05:26 pm one can do things in life and not be attached to them. for example....i enjoy pizza very much yet not so much so that it will chain or bind me to incarnating again. i see pizza for what it is...it will not bind me to body again. same thing with habits...smoking....etc if " one can do things in life and not be attached to them " then why not stop smoking ? benefits of smoking ~ ;D smell like a chimney ! yellow streaks in your hair stained teeth lung damage hey yoshi, do some of that soul talk and talk yourself out of it, lol ! ;D 8) Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: yoshi on Nov 16, 2011 12:35 am yo squirrel...who said i smoked ? maybe i should've used shopping instead ?
shouldn't squirrels be busy gathering nuts this time of year ? Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: flying squirrel on Nov 16, 2011 02:46 am yo squirrel...who said i smoked ? maybe i should've used shopping instead ? shouldn't squirrels be busy gathering nuts this time of year ? yo yo! 8) you did list it as a habit Quote same thing with habits...smoking....etc just took it as a habit of yours apologies for misinterpretation no need to gather nuts can find all I need right here, lol ! ;D 8) Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: yoshi on Nov 16, 2011 12:26 pm reagardless if i do or do not....it was the point that i was trying to get across.
not picking on u specifically squirrel with what i am about to write....this post just got me thinkin' is all..... we need to be care-full of reading in-between the lines.....mis-interpretation may happen...this may lead to more mis-understandings....then more...then more....pretty soon there is before us a 'large web of mis-understandings' and will be quite difficult to get out of.... ;) i avoid 'read in-between the lines'..assumptions..tooooo risky....feelings may get hurt, offending may happen....etc (((Love&Hugs&OM))) yoshi Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: flying squirrel on Nov 16, 2011 05:20 pm reagardless if i do or do not....it was the point that i was trying to get across. not picking on u specifically squirrel with what i am about to write....this post just got me thinkin' is all..... we need to be care-full of reading in-between the lines.....mis-interpretation may happen...this may lead to more mis-understandings....then more...then more....pretty soon there is before us a 'large web of mis-understandings' and will be quite difficult to get out of.... ;) i avoid 'read in-between the lines'..assumptions..tooooo risky....feelings may get hurt, offending may happen....etc (((Love&Hugs&OM))) yoshi there is always a possibility of hiding behind words of generality when in reality, the possibility exsits one is speaking personally must get some of those glasses which allow " reading between the lines " ;D sometimes what is meant is hidden from view personally to me, whether you smoke or not ~ doesn't matter to squirrel squirrel has no interest whatsoever in your habits my comments were of general concern to those who smoke too many friends died of lung complications, unnecessary deaths and suffering and no... this suffering didn't bring them closer to God, another myth that so many believe Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 17, 2011 08:04 pm there is always a possibility of hiding behind words of generality when in reality, the possibility exsits one is speaking personally must get some of those glasses which allow " reading between the lines " ;D sometimes what is meant is hidden from view personally to me, whether you smoke or not ~ doesn't matter to squirrel squirrel has no interest whatsoever in your habits my comments were of general concern to those who smoke too many friends died of lung complications, unnecessary deaths and suffering and no... this suffering didn't bring them closer to God, another myth that so many believe i understand your concern Super Squirrel. i had a mother die of lung cancer and a step mother who had a breast removed. Both smoked. What u r saying is correct flying one however i think we all live behind illusions and habits that bind us to this earth plain and to body consciousness otherwise we would not b trapped in this dimension of existence. Being aware of our lives here is proof that we r still in ego consciousness. So we all have habits and illusions we carry thru life. When we get together the difficult part of this recognition is this; can we accept the illusions others r prey to (as you have mentioned) like second hand smoke or watching them destroy their health? Especially when we find that they themselves cannot accept us because of our habits. If not we as human beings must be honorable and recognize that if others cannot accept our foibles we must distance ourselves from them so that they can go on with out us imposing on them. Once in a great while we r lucky enough to love someone because we look beyond such imperfections and see their soul qualities. This gives us the capacity to love them. This is what some call being beyond body consciousness/avidya and being in christ consciousness. It is more rare for two people to do this together and to keep that love active. Usually one of them looses faith and love for the other. This is because in the transition from one consciousness to the other we also must learn tolerance and patience with others. If we find that tolerance and acceptance of others is not there we must make changes in our relationships. We may have no interest in their habits, as you say, still their habits come with them as a total package. U have helped me in your presence at soul searching Squirrel. Your views have helped us with some of our own personal illusions. J Title: Re: two ways of viewing life....two consciousness' Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Jun 02, 2024 07:31 am Peace is found through surrender to good through devotion. People who are loving, who practise stillness, who delight in meditation and good actions, are really peaceful. Peace is the altar of God, the condition in which happiness exists. Sri Paramahansa Yoga nanda, Yogoda Satsanga Lessons |