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Title: past/present/future ?
Post by: guest88 on Dec 16, 2010 11:13 pm
this morning after waking, i layed in bed and tried to listen to whatever conversation that was going on in the mind
someone was telling me that the past, present, and future are all happening at the same time. i'm not sure i understand, but at the time, everything was spoken in such confidence and accepted as matter-of-fact.
now i hardly remember what was said, just that- we've had this conversation.

what are your opinions? is there a place outside of time?
how are the past present and future interwoven or how do they happen at the same time?

also, today my 4 year old boss said something to me. we were bonding earlier and he seemed really receptive. very communicative today. well, we were outside and i was drawing shapes in the sand, showing him stones, etc. soon he came up to me and said, "eric come back". a 4 year old with a slight speech delay
said come back or go back
didn't fully understand and was taken by surprise. it didnt seem like his normal self... and made me feel like there's more to it.
is it possible guides speak through children seeing as they're already so receptive?

thanks  :)


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: flying squirrel on Dec 16, 2010 11:49 pm
this morning after waking, i layed in bed and tried to listen to whatever conversation that was going on in my mind
someone was telling me that the past, present, and future are all happening at the same time. i'm not sure i understand, but at the time, everything was spoken in such confidence and accepted as matter-of-fact.
now i hardly remember what was said, just that- we've had this conversation.

what are your opinions? is there a place outside of time?
how are the past present and future interwoven or how do they happen at the same time?

also, today my 4 year old boss said something to me. we were bonding earlier and he seemed really receptive. so we were very communicative today. well, we were outside and i was drawing shapes in the sand, showing him stones, etc. when he came up to me and said, "eric come back"
he said come back or go back
i didn't fully understand and was taken by surprise. it didnt seem like his normal self... and made me feel like there's more to it.
is it possible guides speak through children seeing as they're already so receptive?

thanks  :)


hey abysmaltouch !  8)

maybe your " 4 yr old boss " sensed that you were elsewhere in thought ?

travelling thru time, past, present and future - all at once, yet not present in the NOW ?


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Dec 18, 2010 08:01 am
this morning after waking, i layed in bed and tried to listen to whatever conversation that was going on in my mind
someone was telling me that the past, present, and future are all happening at the same time. i'm not sure i understand, but at the time, everything was spoken in such confidence and accepted as matter-of-fact.
now i hardly remember what was said, just that- we've had this conversation.

what are your opinions? is there a place outside of time?
how are the past present and future interwoven or how do they happen at the same time?

also, today my 4 year old boss said something to me. we were bonding earlier and he seemed really receptive. so we were very communicative today. well, we were outside and i was drawing shapes in the sand, showing him stones, etc. when he came up to me and said, "eric come back"
he said come back or go back
i didn't fully understand and was taken by surprise. it didnt seem like his normal self... and made me feel like there's more to it.
is it possible guides speak through children seeing as they're already so receptive?

thanks  :)


Abysmaltouch In the state of nirbikalpa samadhi the yogi is able to transcend time and space in this state all is seen as a divine motion picture show. Any one frame can be played from that point on. The motion picture director see's things from beyond the dimensions of time and space. I suppose that is why Jesus said 'before the foundations of the earth I am'. It takes a deeper sense of awareness to even cognize and focus on this awesome state let alone experience it. Yet perhaps you are looking towards the goal which has been channeled to you.

We are in a state of deep ignorance called maya which makes us think what we experience is real. The ideas of time and space are illusionary and the fabric of this dream is the fallacy we have bought into. Our personal ignorance is called avidya or individual ignorance. We think that we are this body and this ego and these thoughts that inhabit it.

I am not sure about Secret Squirrels' comment about your boss. What i have noticed is that when we have a guru or guide sometimes people are used to send/give us messages. The interesting part is that sometimes they themselves do not remember what they had said. But then we live in a life and reality of infinite possibilities.They all have significance of their own and their own truth and a bit of humor to add. As S.S. often reminds us. :)

Jitendra


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: flying squirrel on Dec 18, 2010 08:38 am
hey abysmaltouch !  8)

maybe your " 4 yr old boss " sensed that you were elsewhere in thought ?

travelling thru time, past, present and future - all at once, yet not present in the NOW ?

hey Jitendra!  8)

let me explain the thoughts

maybe his " boss " sensed a sort of distraction
maybe eric was lost in thought ?

child " his boss" was  asking him " eric come back "

my comment on " travelling thru time, past, present and future " was in reference to
abysmaltouch's beginning comments of this post
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this morning after waking, i layed in bed and tried to listen to whatever conversation that was going on in my mind
someone was telling me that the past, present, and future are all happening at the same time
wondering if he/ eric was distracted ?

clear as mud ?  ;D

my contribution is of no major importance
not to lose any sleep over if not understood 8)

maybe all of the above are just illusionary thoughts, lol ! ;D


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: blue nova on Dec 19, 2010 04:33 am
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We are in a state of deep ignorance called maya which makes us think what we experience is real. The ideas of time and space are illusionary and the fabric of this dream is the fallacy we have bought into. Our personal ignorance is called avidya or individual ignorance. We think that we are this body and this ego and these thoughts that inhabit it.


w0w.....niiiiiice ...Jitendra  :) <3<3<3


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Dec 19, 2010 05:44 am
hey abysmaltouch !  8)

maybe your " 4 yr old boss " sensed that you were elsewhere in thought ?

travelling thru time, past, present and future - all at once, yet not present in the NOW ?

hey Jitendra!  8)

let me explain the thoughts

maybe his " boss " sensed a sort of distraction
maybe eric was lost in thought ?

child " his boss" was  asking him " eric come back "

my comment on " travelling thru time, past, present and future " was in reference to
abysmaltouch's beginning comments of this post
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this morning after waking, i layed in bed and tried to listen to whatever conversation that was going on in my mind
someone was telling me that the past, present, and future are all happening at the same time
wondering if he/ eric was distracted ?

clear as mud ?  ;D

my contribution is of no major importance
not to lose any sleep over if not understood 8)

maybe all of the above are just illusionary thoughts, lol ! ;D

S/S Are you a figment of my imagination? i didn't know i was that funny!

Steve


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: guest88 on Dec 19, 2010 11:08 pm
heh  :)
well ty all for responding <3


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: guest88 on Jan 30, 2011 04:39 am
beyond the dimension of time and space-
but... time
not the idea of using time to measure
but whatever time is, has always been/is/will be- right?  ???


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: blue nova on Jan 31, 2011 01:12 pm
i thought that there is no such thing as time...'''according to god'''. ??

god does not 'see' time.  it is all happening Now.

??

it only exists in human mind.

(((Hugs)))


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 01, 2011 05:15 am
i thought that there is no such thing as time...'''according to god'''. ??

god does not 'see' time.  it is all happening Now.

??

it only exists in human mind.

(((Hugs)))

i am not sure if you are questioning Nomaste or agreeing with him or even responding to his post but rather to the subject..

The river seems to be a good analogy. We can go to any part of the river and see motion. Yet what part of that river is the eternal now? i would say any part that you choose to look at (upstream:the past or downstream: the future). It seems to me that we are all trying to understand this. Such is the limitation of the intellect. It appears as though seeing it from different angles we are agreeing on the central issue: That is, that time and space are illusions of the human experience.

Jitendra


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: guest88 on Feb 01, 2011 07:20 pm
still dont really understand
maybe it doesnt matter
nice to think about

not intellect based concepts using time to measure
is it possible to define ?

can time exist before creation ?

oooh i see chicken and egg
what came first right ?

heh
if time = NOW
what does NOW = ? surely not an illusion

are all thoughts received a part of the eternal now- and if so why would anyone suggest another is not fully,'in the moment?'


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 01, 2011 09:13 pm

heh
if time = NOW
what does NOW = ? surely not an illusion

are all thoughts received a part of the eternal now- and if so why would anyone suggest another is not fully,'in the moment?'

When you dream are you not in the now? But is your dream an illusion? Is it real to me? When we meditate we practice being not thinking thoughts. Fully in the moment does not include thinking thoughts. Thoughts distract us from the experience of being. Why suggest anything? One does not suggest but speaks from experience. Experience of the ever present bliss of the moment. One practices sitting until such vistas open to him/her.

Jitendra


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: guest88 on Feb 02, 2011 03:36 am
that is your way

but i guess so
theres just so much i dont know

is it real to you? how can i answer that ? do you have to be present in order for something to be ?

thinking thoughts, living thoughts, being ?

distract, aid, pull away from, bring closer to
hmm
in one of your last post you spoke of not judging the way another perceives reality because there's just so many ways to live this life

hmm
thinking and being- two different realities ?


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: guest58 on Feb 02, 2011 08:52 pm
that is your way

but i guess so
theres just so much i dont know

is it real to you? how can i answer that ? do you have to be present in order for something to be ?

thinking thoughts, living thoughts, being ?

distract, aid, pull away from, bring closer to
hmm
in one of your last post you spoke of not judging the way another perceives reality because there's just so many ways to live this life

hmm
thinking and being- two different realities ?

If there is one thing I can not tolerate; It is intolerance.

                      Alfred Newman


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: blue nova on Feb 02, 2011 09:26 pm
gonna do a 'buttinski' here... ;D

"""if time = NOW
what does NOW = ? surely not an illusion"""

hmm....interesting.

my first say...is no.  the NOW can be illusion...depends on what consciousness we view life through....human or  soul .  if one is deep into human mind... more than likely illusion is what it see life thru.  if one sees life or interprets life thru soul, then life is not an illusion.

Now=past present future....all bundled up together in the NOW.  all happening at once...at this moment. the human mind....cannot possibly wrap its tentacles around this....nope, cannot happen.  yet.....soul can.

soul like that of god...does not see time.  it is not a part of its thinking process or its being.

human mind is finite...soul is infinite......

we are now 'going thru a rabbit hole' here.....something the human mind cannot comprehend.....

if we meditate and become close to god again.....we jump into the whole....hole....

when we are whole....we will begin to understand all this quantum leap, time, physics stuff.....

one will start to understand all those 'important questions' of life.....

life...is what we need .....it is put before us to remember god again or become part of the whole again....

when we become closer to god.....illusion fades....

illusion...is not 'bad'.  it is merely a state of mind......like ignorance.  yet...the way people use those words ( thru illusion), makes them seem like 'bad' things....when they are not.

(((Hugs)))


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Feb 03, 2011 07:49 pm
Namaste to you Blue Nova we are fortunate to have you with us. Your reply is very well thought out. Which shows we use are thoughts and mind for important functions here in this cosmic drama. This might also help in our understanding:

In the state of ecstasy the yogi knows the body to be a motion picture of divine energy, which in turn is a dream of God's consciousness; and he, the Self, is an eternal part of that dreaming consciousness. PY

Practice of the eightfold yoga dissolves the waves of likes and dislikes, the desires that infest the intuitive feeling of chitta (heart). When the waters of chitta are free from waves of sensations, thoughts, likes, and dislikes, the clear waters of intuition reflect the soul as a perfect image of the Spirit-Moon. Then the yogi unites his soul reflected in the calm heart with the actual Source, the Moon of omnipresent Spirit. PY

Chapter IV  verse 27 & 28 God Talks With Arjuna The Bhagavad Gita Paramahansa Yogananda


in one of your last post you spoke of not judging the way another perceives reality because there's just so many ways to live this life

hmm
thinking and being- two different realities ?

Thinking and the body work as tools for the soul. 'Being' is direct contact with the soul. When thinking and emotions are quieted it is then that we experience the expansiveness of the soul. In this deep state we are in communion with the soul and not our thoughts and emotions. Our thoughts and emotions are quieted. A deeper state called nirbikalpa samadhi is possible to the advanced yogi who can be in communion with the soul during exacting duties and experiences of life. These beings have cleared all vestiges of their karma and are desire free. There awareness can exist on all plains of existence simultaneously. They also can traverse time and in their consciousness everything exists in the eternal 'now'.

When we have different perceptions of reality we share are perspectives and learn from one another. On occasion someone comes into our lives who helps us tremendously because of this we develop faith in some of the things that they say which we have not yet experienced. Without faith we are left with only our personal experience which can be very dangerous since our experiences are rather limited. Because of an expansion of consciousness there are great souls that can help us immensely on the path to our home in spirit.

Jitendra


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: prabhatsinha on Feb 05, 2011 05:45 pm
Fully in the moment does not include thinking thoughts. Thoughts distract us from the experience of being. Why suggest anything? One does not suggest but speaks from experience. Experience of the ever present bliss of the moment. One practices sitting until such vistas open to him/her.

well said and true, Steve!





Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: blue nova on Feb 06, 2011 07:07 pm
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prabhatsinha wrote:

Experience of the ever present bliss of the moment

_/\_   <3<3<3


Title: Re: "It takes one to know one".
Post by: blue nova on Feb 06, 2011 07:24 pm
Thank you for sharing - to ALL posters...  so many wise, contemplative words shared.

the funny thing is,   "It takes one to know one".   

It is by Divine Grace Mercy Compassion, that we have any inkling of Divine "Companions" (sat) and Mayic "Companions" (asat) ?   That's the wonder to little me...

all companions learn.  view life as school.   various ages.....various grades.....the younger students have something to learn from the older students.....students learn from the Teachers.  Lessons can be handed down from student to student, or tutoring can happen.  even the older students and even Teachers can learn from the younger students. 

i help my childs teacher now and then.  i volunteer ,,,help out teacher and students.  i have seen when the teacher learns from the students.  it is ...a 'circle'.....of sorts.

earth, or the physical realm is a school.  souls of all grades are here to learn.  we all desire to graduate from school....and it is our desire for our brother and sister souls to graduate too.....or find god again....self realization....

as there is a blend of grades in school...there are a blend of souls upon earth .......all here to realize, learn.......

Teachers.  they can be students as well as professors....  :)

in physical school we have subjects such as math...science...english...etc

in soft school we have subjects such as jealously...greed...lust..etc

we are soul .....viewing or aka life though body....we are experiencing two schoolings at once.

anyway...back to ur topic dearest Namaste2all  ;D  students of like grades will hang out with students of like grades....yes ?  a senior in highschool will usually hang with seniors......etc

as a physical body recognizes another as a senior, a soul will also recognize another senior soul......or junior or freshman, etc

(((Hugs)))





Title: Re: "It takes one to know one".
Post by: prabhatsinha on Feb 07, 2011 02:36 pm
Thank you for sharing - to ALL posters...  so many wise, contemplative words shared.

the funny thing is,   "It takes one to know one".   

It is by Divine Grace Mercy Compassion, that we have any inkling of Divine "Companions" (sat) and Mayic "Companions" (asat) ?   That's the wonder to little me...

all companions learn.  view life as school.   various ages.....various grades.....the younger students have something to learn from the older students.....students learn from the Teachers.  Lessons can be handed down from student to student, or tutoring can happen.  even the older students and even Teachers can learn from the younger students. 

i help my childs teacher now and then.  i volunteer ,,,help out teacher and students.  i have seen when the teacher learns from the students.  it is ...a 'circle'.....of sorts.

earth, or the physical realm is a school.  souls of all grades are here to learn.  we all desire to graduate from school....and it is our desire for our brother and sister souls to graduate too.....or find god again....self realization....

as there is a blend of grades in school...there are a blend of souls upon earth .......all here to realize, learn.......

Teachers.  they can be students as well as professors....  :)

in physical school we have subjects such as math...science...english...etc

in soft school we have subjects such as jealously...greed...lust..etc

we are soul .....viewing or aka life though body....we are experiencing two schoolings at once.

anyway...back to ur topic dearest Namaste2all  ;D  students of like grades will hang out with students of like grades....yes ?  a senior in highschool will usually hang with seniors......etc

as a physical body recognizes another as a senior, a soul will also recognize another senior soul......or junior or freshman, etc

(((Hugs)))
very good blue nova!





Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: blue nova on Feb 07, 2011 07:26 pm
(((prabhatsinha))).... :)   <3<3<3


Title: Re: past/present/future ?
Post by: guest88 on Sep 19, 2011 08:42 am
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We are in a state of deep ignorance called maya which makes us think what we experience is real. The ideas of time and space are illusionary and the fabric of this dream is the fallacy we have bought into. Our personal ignorance is called avidya or individual ignorance. We think that we are this body and this ego and these thoughts that inhabit it.

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Time = CHANGE
Space = DIVISION

Space Time Fabric  -- Seems they intertwine, this Change and Division.

The River may CHANGE course, but always runs downhill towards the Sea.   So does River (Time) really "change", or does the Land (Space) that it lies upon "change" ?  Or both ?  Or neither at core ?

Is upstream (future) really divided from downstream (past)?    What portion of the river (experience of life / moment) do we divide into the NOW ?   

Four Primal Ideas (Illusions) -- Time, Space, Atom, Word (Holy Vibration)

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my first say...is no.  the NOW can be illusion...depends on what consciousness we view life through....human or  soul .  if one is deep into human mind... more than likely illusion is what it see life thru.  if one sees life or interprets life thru soul, then life is not an illusion.

Quote
In the state of ecstasy the yogi knows the body to be a motion picture of divine energy, which in turn is a dream of God's consciousness; and he, the Self, is an eternal part of that dreaming consciousness. PY

Quote
Practice of the eightfold yoga dissolves the waves of likes and dislikes, the desires that infest the intuitive feeling of chitta (heart). When the waters of chitta are free from waves of sensations, thoughts, likes, and dislikes, the clear waters of intuition reflect the soul as a perfect image of the Spirit-Moon. Then the yogi unites his soul reflected in the calm heart with the actual Source, the Moon of omnipresent Spirit. PY

Quote
Thinking and the body work as tools for the soul. 'Being' is direct contact with the soul. When thinking and emotions are quieted it is then that we experience the expansiveness of the soul. In this deep state we are in communion with the soul and not our thoughts and emotions. Our thoughts and emotions are quieted. A deeper state called nirbikalpa samadhi is possible to the advanced yogi who can be in communion with the soul during exacting duties and experiences of life. These beings have cleared all vestiges of their karma and are desire free. There awareness can exist on all plains of existence simultaneously. They also can traverse time and in their consciousness everything exists in the eternal 'now'.

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Fully in the moment does not include thinking thoughts. Thoughts distract us from the experience of being. Why suggest anything? One does not suggest but speaks from experience. Experience of the ever present bliss of the moment. One practices sitting until such vistas open to him/her.


!!!  :o  :o  :o !!! wow
so much to absorb and such perfect timing. lately i've come back to the whole past/present/future thing- thinking what happened! my my how distracted i've become.
so much to go back an learn/relearn ! thank you to all who have posted here