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Title: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 08, 2010 07:09 pm no need for apolgies ! <3<3<3 love you...no offense taken. i dont take offense much anymore. :D ;) i just...dont see life like that anymore. and..i have learned,,not to take it to heart. once in a while...i get a few 'stings'....but that is ok, i am Learning to cope and heal the stings. :) (((Hugs))) i hope this is so because sometimes i can be very frank myself. But want you to know that you are always appreciated and valued as friend here Anne. Sometimes friends are too honest about their feelings and then they needlessly hurt others in the process. If this be the case with me i apologize. There are always boundaries between people although i must admit i often try to break them down. We learn from experience and hope not to create the same mistakes over and over. Also we find that often we enable others in their own illusions when we live untruths in relationships. So somehow we need to find a balance while we hope to be honest with our feelings. i remember a song called 'Careless Whispers' by George Micheal. In it he says 'Time can never mend the careless whispers of a good friend. To the heart and mind ignorance is kind.There's no comfort in the truth. Pain is the heart you'll find.' How much of that is true for soul searchers who seek the truth as their motto? Brutal frankness is sometimes not appreciated by anyone. The Lord reveals to us our illusions and often thru others. Yet when it comes thru love it is much more appreciated. i suppose if we cannot do it with love why do it at all? Steve Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: flying squirrel on Oct 08, 2010 07:46 pm hey Steve ! 8)
Insert wasn't referring to you I don't think... think was for abysmaltouch ... funny how you pick and choose replies and work them into your own topics. aww anne i'm sorry... (((hugs))) it was 2:22 when i was reading your post and there was a slight ringing in my left ear... there's just to much to see god is revealed in the most peculiar ways, but that's half the fun hehe i'm glad you're feeling better and hope my first post didn't offend you. i kinda chuckled but only because i thought it was cute that the movie touched you in such a way. sorry :( apparently, the first time i saw bambi i ran up and started hitting the tv and crying when the deer died. >_< :D i think i'm really sensitive when it comes to watching movies no need for apolgies ! <3<3<3 love you...no offense taken. i dont take offense much anymore. :D ;) i just...dont see life like that anymore. and..i have learned,,not to take it to heart. once in a while...i get a few 'stings'....but that is ok, i am Learning to cope and heal the stings. :) (((Hugs))) Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 08, 2010 07:58 pm hey Steve ! 8) Insert wasn't referring to you I don't think... think was for abysmaltouch ... funny how you pick and choose replies and work them into your own topics. "funny how you pick and choose replies and work them into your own topics." This is a conscious action of mine and a keen observation of yours... i realize that she was speaking to someone else.... and you are right i often pick up where others leave off. One thing leads to another in this whole process of communication and it is often beneficial to see the interconnectedness of all things; especially in communication and the synchronicity that comes to us when we see our shirt or skirt hanging out. It brings clues to other conversations and the relative learning that is being given to us thru higher powers than our own. Jitendra Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: flying squirrel on Oct 08, 2010 08:13 pm just an observation, made from an observer in this drama called life 8)
sometimes the thoughts are connected, sometimes one makes things out of what they are not just to make conversation just a humble observation, from one observing life from a different angle amazing how it all leads back to higher powers 8) Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Oct 08, 2010 08:52 pm i am not so sure it is the best for everyone. sometimes....it can be not so good for all involved. maybe..i am too frank/honest at times.
when i spill my honesty onto table.....or put it on a dish and serve, it can hurt those i serve it to....and hurting, is not something i am fond of doing to others. i dont mean to do it...it just happens. but yet, when i keep my frankness canned up or inside....it has detrimenal/adverse effects on me. a conundrum i find myself in. for if i keep the truth in...then i put myself in box again...soul is not used to being caged or put in box. soul...or conform to society....soul...or conform to society. be soul...and then what, throw myself unto society so they can then judge me ? oh...she is different...so she is wrong...odd ... strange. tired and more tired i grow. Quote steve wrote: i suppose if we cannot do it with love why do it at all? yes. and general society has no love. general society is greedy....where there is greed there is no love. how can soul survive in such a situation ? not very well. soul must be strong, in such an environment. i stop now. retreat back into cave. at least in a cave...the love i have for myself might bounce off the walls and back onto me. <3<3<3 (((Hugs))) Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Oct 08, 2010 10:50 pm just an observation, made from an observer in this drama called life 8) sometimes the thoughts are connected, sometimes one makes things out of what they are not just to make conversation just a humble observation, from one observing life from a different angle amazing how it all leads back to higher powers 8) every soul views life a bit differently than the other.. ?....each soul lives, views...life differently than the other. just because they differ...does not make one right and the other wrong ;)<3<3<3 i try and take these instances....or, i try and view the differences from all angles...and Learn from them <3<3<3 i try not to judge the others view...etc i wear the shoes of the other... and try to walk in them :D ;) sometimes...those shoes,,may fit very well indeed !!! :) but i should not be damned for not being able to wear them because they do not fit. :'( and i am finding myself very damned right now. soul..finds itself in a very 'bad' spot when this happens. yes...i should take the criticisms....i should withstand the judging....etc and i have. for a very long time now i have. one, just gets tired after a while. i put up a fight...or withstood it for a long time....i was taken POW for a while...and now that i am no longer POW, or i am outta box....here i am in fight again. how much more should one take ? obviously...i have not learned yet, what i have 'come down here' to learn...because i am still here. from your angle squirrel...eric...comet...etc... what do i do ? go on loving others...and being called names and have hate thrown at me ? which really does feel like beestings...or do i go on ? do i go on getting stung and keep rubbing salve on the stings ? there seems to be no point anymore. why does god keep me in this bag of flesh and bones ? this place...is hate....greed....icky crap. yet....there are times when love reigns or in control ...aka love rains down upon soul. so yesss.....in between the times of rain....soul should survive. oh sheesh ! am i being frank again....? :P :D am i going to have to get a ..oh, what's it called....um,,,,crap....a warning label for blue nova ? excusing me of franknesss ? something like...."oh..i am sorry if one takes blue novas motives outta context..."....etc. ( btw, this is not in intention of anyone here on the board) 'cause i love all...most...many. sorry, if it offends. :D <3<3<3 (((Hugs))) Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: flying squirrel on Oct 09, 2010 06:23 am hey nova ! 8)
keeping record straight - my original post was to Steve just an observation spoken to him he does this with many people, takes one comment or two and starts new topic NO complaints from squirrel - just observation just his style, just an observation all is not about you ...wondering if some like to play victim ? falling into "oh poor me, no one understands category " squirrel is NOT criticizing you, squirrel is NOT judging you so many do - you seem to say - you just jump into the ring of fire and to your defenses ! and go on with "soul this, soul that" ... squirrel is NOT criticizing NOT judging ... just commenting ...different way of speech ... is ok, doesn't matter to me ! NO complaints from squirrel you can be frank or you can be charles ~ just think time has come for you to just deal with things and stop complaining about life, whether you are in or out of box ! apologies to you, but I think we need to change radio station, broken record on this one seems to be, life is the pits ... sorry to hear this for you.... retreat into meditation and just breathe, leave all this behind peace ~ Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: guest88 on Oct 09, 2010 10:51 am i don't think she's playing victim as much as she's trying to make a point, just like you
??? everyone has something to offer... Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: flying squirrel on Oct 09, 2010 11:24 am i don't think she's playing victim as much as she's trying to make a point, just like you ??? everyone has something to offer... agreed, everyone has something to offer 8) yet, why keep venting same old story ? Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Oct 09, 2010 03:31 pm (http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)(http://www.augk18.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/floating_heart.gif)
Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: guest88 on Oct 09, 2010 06:49 pm i never knew she was venting the same old story ???
regardless, i'm sure there's someone out there who will benefit from reading her words but i reread your post, maybe you thought you were being helpful? i guess we're all reaching out in some fashion or another you make a valid point, i just, don't think she's playing victim or sees life as, 'the pits' well w/e she can speak for herself. anne, mind straightening this out for me? i'm having a hard time seeing peace Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: flying squirrel on Oct 09, 2010 07:03 pm i never knew she was venting the same old story ??? the in the box, out of the box feeling different from everyone else, others " sleepers " as she often says, not accepting her as is her feeling judged, criticized , etc soul not feeling part of this " human/ earthly " experience or wanting to be here squirrel is NOT doubting, NOT questioning this - squirrel believes it is so as she says but we have heard it many times before repeating it again and again changes nothing , in my humble opinion as for seeing " life as the pits" ... she is definitely NOT happy with her life, can you not see this ? or am I missing something ? so not to make this " same old story " let's not keep going on and on about this hey Steve, apologies if train has gone off track 8) Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: guest88 on Oct 09, 2010 07:08 pm maybe the scenery looks different, but train has never gone off track ! :X steady as she goes!! forward, forward!!!! reveal!!!!! :D
we're like children. it's apparent to me when sebastian is upset, but deep down he is the happiest kid i know! he loves life, loves being here, exploring and discovering! usually when he is upset, within 5 minutes he's something else! Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: flying squirrel on Oct 09, 2010 07:18 pm stop the train, I want to get off !
or is it " stop the world, I want to get off ? " famous play, movie or something 8) buying a ticket to a different destination ;D bye Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: guest88 on Oct 09, 2010 07:31 pm you'll be back!!!!! :)
Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Oct 09, 2010 08:08 pm keep meditating/talking to god/retreating to cave abysmaltouch. all the questions u have will be answered.
the more time we spend with him...god reveals himself more and more...thru everyone and everything...there is not a place where god does not reside. god resides in/on all trains too ! :D ;) no need to jump off...when god is right there all along. (((Hugs)))<3<3<3 Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 09, 2010 10:32 pm you'll be back!!!!! :) Thanks for all the responses to this topic! i hope we all will be back and be as honest as we can yet be kind in the process. This is something i am learning myself and life is for the learning..... Sometimes it is hard to get a full picture on things when there are personal messages going on at the same time there are messages on the board. So it is easy to misinterpret things. i like the fact that Anne and Squirrel continue to discuss and debate. It brings out chinks in our armor that we can recognize thru our differences. Then it is up to us how we deal with them~positively or negatively. One never fails till they give up. Perhaps i have things to learn about these posts myself. i reserve opinion till i understand. Lord knows i still have a long ways to go in that department (understanding). Sorry if i have caused any hurt feelings. i am very fortunate to have such friends as Annie, Squirrel and Eric..... God bless and i pray for us all.... Steve Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Oct 10, 2010 04:08 pm you'll be back!!!!! :) Thanks for all the responses to this topic! i hope we all will be back and be as honest as we can yet be kind in the process. This is something i am learning myself and life is for the learning..... Sometimes it is hard to get a full picture on things when there are personal messages going on at the same time there are messages on the board. So it is easy to misinterpret things. i like the fact that Anne and Squirrel continue to discuss and debate. It brings out chinks in our armor that we can recognize thru our differences. Then it is up to us how we deal with them~positively or negatively. One never fails till they give up. Perhaps i have things to learn about these posts myself. i reserve opinion till i understand. Lord knows i still have a long ways to go in that department (understanding). Sorry if i have caused any hurt feelings. i am very fortunate to have such friends as Annie, Squirrel and Eric..... God bless and i pray for us all.... Steve steve...no feelings hurt on my end <3<3<3 i also feel very fortunate to have my buddies here on the forum too <3<3<3 understanding. it will come. sending love & (((Hugs)))) Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: guest88 on Oct 10, 2010 05:57 pm at times it feels as if we know each other. fellow students gathering in the courtyard.
Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Oct 10, 2010 06:49 pm at times it feels as if we know each other. fellow students gathering in the courtyard. (((((((((((((((((((((((( eric )))))))))))))))))))))))) :D :D :D yes. thee think thou onto 'something'.... <3<3<3 btw, has thee used thou correctly here ? i am not overly fond of using words like i, me, you...anymore. thee,,thou,,,thoust,,, :D (((Hugs))) & Lovin's Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 10, 2010 08:26 pm at times it feels as if we know each other. fellow students gathering in the courtyard. :) We are fortunate to come back again and find each other. Each time playing different roles with each other; Yet strengthening the bonds. Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: guest88 on Oct 10, 2010 08:28 pm anne lol :D
steve :) <3 hugs Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Oct 10, 2010 11:30 pm at times it feels as if we know each other. fellow students gathering in the courtyard. :) We are fortunate to come back again and find each other. Each time playing different roles with each other; Yet strengthening the bonds. yes. ((((((((Hugs)))))))) <3<3<3 Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Oct 10, 2010 11:43 pm every time soul incarnates...there is erased much of its past...yet it holds onto the good parts of its past.
when soul starts to awaken from amnesia....it will start to remember these tiny morsels of goodness...that makes up each and every soul.... ;) when awakening happens...these Rememberances enter the 'waking consciousness'. and honestly...at times,,,it can be a bit confusing...wonderous...bliss..yet confusing. Reality comes back to soul....hoMe it starts to Remember again. souls from past start to surface. just like here on the board. all souls learn differently...all are on different Paths yet on the same Journey... some Remember the Journey differently than the others.....vice versa. when souls Reality surfaces to the physical..aka, when soul starts to reign over body.....this is a transition/process. it does not happen over night. the waking consciousness aka, buddhi , will start to retire.....and soul will take over. aka...life as we know it will start changing...we will start feeling more joy....happiness...etc our language will also start to change. emotions change...etc releases happen during this time...and it is at this time,,when confusion can happen on a large scale. anyway............during this transition, change, metapmorphosis.....god will bring together souls that made large impacts in our past, and now life. (((Hugs)))<3<3<3 Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Oct 12, 2010 07:40 pm every time soul incarnates...there is erased much of its past...yet it holds onto the good parts of its past. when soul starts to awaken from amnesia....it will start to remember these tiny morsels of goodness...that makes up each and every soul.... ;) when awakening happens...these Rememberances enter the 'waking consciousness'. and honestly...at times,,,it can be a bit confusing...wonderous...bliss..yet confusing. Reality comes back to soul....hoMe it starts to Remember again. souls from past start to surface. just like here on the board. all souls learn differently...all are on different Paths yet on the same Journey... some Remember the Journey differently than the others.....vice versa. when souls Reality surfaces to the physical..aka, when soul starts to reign over body.....this is a transition/process. it does not happen over night. the waking consciousness aka, buddhi , will start to retire.....and soul will take over. aka...life as we know it will start changing...we will start feeling more joy....happiness...etc our language will also start to change. emotions change...etc releases happen during this time...and it is at this time,,when confusion can happen on a large scale. anyway............during this transition, change, metapmorphosis.....god will bring together souls that made large impacts in our past, and now life. (((Hugs)))<3<3<3 These reflections are quite interesting to me. i have also found that other souls have come into our life to shake us up; to wake us up and this in itself can be rather difficult for us at times. This is because we still have one foot in the world we knew and one in the world to come. The ego sometimes needs a rude jar because it is rather insistent on keeping things as they were. Most of us will sooner or later be shook up by the guru~if we choose to have the grace of one such as these~ to help us out of so much darkness that is now a part of our life and how we see things. It is best not to rationalize at these times and to constantly explain our actions. Soon we will find that it is not just us that are being shaken up but those close to us who are also making a spiritual effort. They will get there's as well so why not center on our own? i hope that some read this will believe that this one has been rattled quite a few times myself. As though someone was saying "Is there anyone in there? If there is please wake up because your snoring is rather loud!" Jitendra Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: Willie the Shake on Nov 01, 2010 09:52 am every soul views life a bit differently than the other.. ?....each soul lives, views...life differently than the other. just because they differ...does not make one right and the other wrong ;)<3<3<3 i try and take these instances....or, i try and view the differences from all angles...and Learn from them <3<3<3 i try not to judge the others view...etc i wear the shoes of the other... and try to walk in them :D ;) sometimes...those shoes,,may fit very well indeed !!! :) but i should not be damned for not being able to wear them because they do not fit. :'( and i am finding myself very damned right now. soul..finds itself in a very 'bad' spot when this happens. yes...i should take the criticisms....i should withstand the judging....etc and i have. for a very long time now i have. one, just gets tired after a while. i put up a fight...or withstood it for a long time....i was taken POW for a while...and now that i am no longer POW, or i am outta box....here i am in fight again. how much more should one take ? obviously...i have not learned yet, what i have 'come down here' to learn...because i am still here. from your angle squirrel...eric...comet...etc... what do i do ? go on loving others...and being called names and have hate thrown at me ? which really does feel like beestings...or do i go on ? do i go on getting stung and keep rubbing salve on the stings ? there seems to be no point anymore. why does god keep me in this bag of flesh and bones ? this place...is hate....greed....icky crap. yet....there are times when love reigns or in control ...aka love rains down upon soul. so yesss.....in between the times of rain....soul should survive. oh sheesh ! am i being frank again....? :P :D am i going to have to get a ..oh, what's it called....um,,,,crap....a warning label for blue nova ? excusing me of franknesss ? something like...."oh..i am sorry if one takes blue novas motives outta context..."....etc. ( btw, this is not in intention of anyone here on the board) 'cause i love all...most...many. sorry, if it offends. :D <3<3<3 (((Hugs))) ♥ :-* Teach not thy lip such scorn, for it was made For kissing, lady, not for such contempt. :-* ♥ Willie the Shake Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: blue nova on Nov 01, 2010 03:18 pm ♥ :-* Teach not thy lip such scorn, for it was made For kissing, lady, not for such contempt. :-* ♥ Willie the Shake yes, William. (http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/party/party0038.gif) :-* ;D Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 15, 2010 09:32 am i am not so sure it is the best for everyone. sometimes....it can be not so good for all involved. maybe..i am too frank/honest at times. Love is there but perhaps not the way we imagine it to be. Retreating into a cave or back into your shell? For instance; Sometimes we will meet up with people as frank and out spoken as ourselves. Then what? Is it not the same as looking in a mirror? We need to make sure that are friends are not being honest for our own good. A friend will not always flatter but sometime tell the naked truth. Will we be able to accept it or will we retreat?when i spill my honesty onto table.....or put it on a dish and serve, it can hurt those i serve it to....and hurting, is not something i am fond of doing to others. i dont mean to do it...it just happens. but yet, when i keep my frankness canned up or inside....it has detrimenal/adverse effects on me. a conundrum i find myself in. for if i keep the truth in...then i put myself in box again...soul is not used to being caged or put in box. soul...or conform to society....soul...or conform to society. be soul...and then what, throw myself unto society so they can then judge me ? oh...she is different...so she is wrong...odd ... strange. tired and more tired i grow. Quote steve wrote: i suppose if we cannot do it with love why do it at all? yes. and general society has no love. general society is greedy....where there is greed there is no love. how can soul survive in such a situation ? not very well. soul must be strong, in such an environment. i stop now. retreat back into cave. at least in a cave...the love i have for myself might bounce off the walls and back onto me. <3<3<3 (((Hugs))) Jitendra Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: guest88 on Nov 15, 2010 06:04 pm sometimes what you perceive as the naked truth is simply your understanding. you may think your doing a service by telling your friend when really that understanding was meant for you- even if it means letting your friend be the example. sometimes it's best to say nothing, but to be there and nurture your friend when the time is right. in either case, speak what you feel and know that neither person is better for having impart anything- instead both are serving as active tools for progress in possibly, two completely different spectrum of reality.
Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: Jitendra Hydonus on Nov 16, 2010 07:26 pm sometimes what you perceive as the naked truth is simply your understanding. you may think your doing a service by telling your friend when really that understanding was meant for you- even if it means letting your friend be the example. sometimes it's best to say nothing, but to be there and nurture your friend when the time is right. in either case, speak what you feel and know that neither person is better for having impart anything- instead both are serving as active tools for progress in possibly, two completely different spectrum of reality. Like most views they are subject to all kinds of qualifications. As a result i cannot dismiss your views. However for myself i would rather be told. There is a way that friends can inform and help each other rather than being silent and saying nothing. That is often the challenge.Yes truth is relative. Even when we share our experiences we recognize that those experiences are only true at a certain level. The more closer we are to our friends the less needs to be hidden. Jitendra Title: Re: Honesty the best Policy? Post by: guest88 on Nov 16, 2010 08:32 pm yes i understand and think in these cases one should use proper discernment and feel when such moments are appropriate.(when to speak) you can tell someone something over and over & there's a chance they know and feel what you're saying, yet still want the firsthand experience- even if that means making mistakes. you can see something and know- whether you discuss it or not. another challenge eh? i agree though, it is nice to have supportive friends act in/with love. the nurturing spirit is like a gleaming jewel, an essence of god. i just think you should gauge it- we're all here for a reason. love and meaning go hand in hand. |