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There were a couple hundred people on this earth in 1600 now there are over 8 billion.
If people keep multiplying like rats there will be 50 billion on the earth in 2200.

This post has red flags running through it. Maybe a typo by you Steve but world population around 1600 was over 500 million people. And whilst population continues to grow world population is projected to begin a decline later this century after we reach 10 billion in about 60 years. Male fertility is falling and with cost of living, particularly in the west, people are more often choosing not to have children or limit the family size to a small number.

I hope I will be stood corrected as you have pointed out but given the deterioration of the planets eco system estimates of what our planet - Mother Earth - can tolerate may be much more dismal.

A summary from Google supports my views;

This summarizes my view on the current population explosion and over population on Mother Earth today;

According to channeled materials, specifically those publicized by Swiss contactee Billy Meier regarding "Plejaren" (Pleiadian) teachings, the Pleiades perspectives on overpopulation on Earth are:
Overpopulation is a Real, Critical Problem: The Pleiadian perspective (as reported by Meier) indicates that

Earth is significantly overpopulated.

The Ideal Population: They are reported to say that Earth’s natural resources can only properly support a population of roughly 500 million to 1 billion people. They believe that this level is necessary for maintaining a balance between human life and nature.

Consequences of Overpopulation: They argue that the high population (currently over 8 billion) is the root cause of widespread environmental destruction, poverty, and social conflict.
"Control" and Responsibility: They advocate for responsible population regulation, arguing that excessive population growth causes human civilization to live in an unsustainable, "un-natural" way, prioritizing technology and quick gains over environmental harmony.
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Web; as you read my response I want you to know that though the population growth has showed some significant changes since my studies years back i still concur with the Billy Meier reports and encounters he has had with the pleiadian beings. I read his main book decades ago and found it convincing.

I welcome your contrasting views and your more positive outlook for the future in terms of population decreases but still see this as far below what is necessary for global environmental integrity and human compatibility on our planet. I also refer to the Robert Monroe readings I did that see a total different world in the far future where population will have no resemblance to what it is today and we will be much more evolved and not even need these bodies we are now inhabiting but they will be just a point of reference.

Why is it everywhere i go I find pop cans garbage liquor bottles wrappers and plastic bags? Never saw so much when I was a kid and there were less people!

I wasn't suggesting an alternative view re: the unsustainability of how humans live in conjunction with the overall population. Obviously there needs to be a massive shift in mindset to enable human survival given the current circumstances. The earth will survive what we are doing, she has undergone massive shifts over time and Mother Nature is indomitable whereas we are not.

The world's population can fit into the island of Tasmania at the bottom of Australia allowing around 8 square meters per person. So our numbers are not the problem in my view. "The world has enough for all we need, but not for all we greed", to quote Gandhi.

Out of respect to your views i have included your whole post here. My response is very simple webolife the lifestyle you are giving an example for in Tasmania would obviously not feed over 8 billion people because no one would be able to have enough property to grow crops or fruit plants and definitely not room enough to feed meat eaters who require much more land for cattle to graze.

But your missing some basic points ive made before friend; the rich would have all the best land and the rest of us wouldn’t be able to enjoy any nature. Which is happening now in most countries. Also until countries are able to prove they can take care of their waste without polluting the land with bottles, cans, plastic, and chemical waste i will be cleaning up other peoples messes as I do daily.  Traffic in most metropolitan areas has become congested and unsafe. Enjoying nature and being able to meditate in a place without dogs barking, sirens blaring, loud speakers indoctrinating and animals being mistreated as well as nature being compromised is now practically non existent.

I mustn't be explaining myself very well. I'm not countering your point that our lifestyles and attitudes to our planet must change. My example of Tasmania was to show that the world population isn't crowding out the earth, our ignorance is. Jane Goodall, the famous environmentalist, said in an interview before she died that a Jewish scholar and interpreter of the ancient Jewish texts that are found in the Old Testament, said to her that the interpretation in Genesis that man has dominion over the earth is wrong. The word used is correctly interpreted as custodianship. It makes a big difference:

"Custodianship is the responsibility, duty, or act of taking care of, protecting, or managing something on behalf of another or for future generations. It emphasizes stewardship or preservation rather than ownership, focusing on long-term health and maintenance of assets, culture, or people."

When you have over 50% of the wealth in the hands of less than five people like we do in the U.S. it is obvious that stewardship is not a priority but rather power and ownership. With this type of mentality there will be no peace among over 8 billion people.

So you may wonder am I agreeing with you and in the sense of stewardship and custodianship I would say;  YES

The untenable nature of this assertion is an obvious. Each square meter is about 10 square feet. So we are talking approximately  80 square feet.

Let us remember that at the time of Gandhi there were no super highways as there are today. For instance the 405 freeway in Los Angeles is over 18 lanes ( they are building more ). The questions obviously occurs where will all these junk cars be put when they are no longer usable. Most people eat hamburgers in the U.S. Where are they going to raise the cattle to feed all these millions of cows? Where will people exercise jog and swim? Where will they put all the pollution they accumulate; there are already two sizes of Texas of plastic floating in the Pacific. Where will these people have recreation? Where will they dump their suage ? Not speak of all the trash that needs huge areas to dig up for land fills.

Lets now look at airports. Where would there be room for them? Where would there be room for recreation and nature lovers?

Now let’s look at noise levels. I am presently in Kerala India. There is constant noise here even on the beaches. Load speakers. Traffic noise. People talking and taking no notice of you if for instance you are meditating out doors. Saws, hammers and trucks laying cement and building everywhere you go.

Where will we put today’s necessary providers?

Malls
Pharmacies
Hospitals
Cemeteries
Internet towers
Dentists
Storage areas
Hardware Stores
Clothe Stores
Lumber Yards
Churches
License buildings for every imaginable mode of transportation
Social Security Buildings
Necessary land for farming and food
Necessary land for power sources
Necessary land for space travel
Necessary land for Railroads and bus travel



And for amusement and entertainment
Bowling Alleys
Ski resorts
Roller Rinks
Department Stores
Material and trucks stored for street maintanence and repair
Observatories
Libraries
Colleges
Schools
Zoos
Beaches
Speed boat and boat storage
Stadiums
Fast food places
Music Stores
Cusinos
Room for hotels motels and events
Amusement Parks

Being someone that loves to meditate with the purity and sounds of nature that soothe the soul. It is very challenging when you go to the ocean and people come up near you or next to you and start talking on their cellphones. I actually looked behind me to see who was talking  ::) and why they couldn’t even see I was there attempting to meditate and a man waved his hand in a motion to tell me to move down the beach and meditate. And quite often you can be alone away from people meditating peacefully and a woman and a man will come up quite closely to you with their little children who start screaming.

As you no doubt know when people continue to huddle and scurry about like rats though; there is always the constant noise of drilling, pounding and digging. More and more buildings. More and more repairs. More and more renovations. However sometimes we are taken out of our meditation by such interference as a purpose and today I stopped meditating because of the drilling in a room a couple doors down….

I went to the hall where Amma was speaking and she was telling a story that was significant to me: a man was angry with someone and went to sleep. The next morning he forgot about his anger because of the good rest. Im the same way we should be alert and aware of our responses and wait to act. Even the pause between breaths during meditation has a purpose for us.

Heavy drilling begins again today; that drives me out of the beach house here to find some peace somewhere else.

I honestly have never seen so much garbage everywhere as India. Approximately 1.4 billion people crowding out animals, forests and nature.

Everyday I help pick up motorcycle seats, cans, bottles, toilets and thousands of wrappers and boxes more people just dumped in the Arabian Sea.

You paint a sad picture my friend. I listened to a podcast last year from a leading environmental scientist. His take is that the earth will suffer major catastrophes because of the way we are living but he had a great optimism to temper this. He pointed out that the worst of times brings out the best in people. We come together and join forces to find solutions. Whether that may be as your doing in contributing to picking up the mess, or whether that be people pulling together and pulling live bodies out of the rubble after an earthquake, a bomb blast or a tsunami, our hidden divinity seems to jump out in these moments.  I think it's important not to give into a doomsday mindset, there's enough  of that in some fundamental christian thought and I think only encourages learnt helplessness as an outcome.

Although I agree for some people it is true that the worst of times brings out the best in people, I look at it differently Web; I would say that if it takes  ‘the worst of times to bring out the best in people’ …. This in fact ‘paints a sad picture’. It makes the human race a people who have to be treated badly to make effort at change.

We do not have to wait for disaster to occur to incite us for change. We can be the change we want to see in others. We can actually visualize a better world today. That is why Amma gave us the ‘flower meditation’ ive talked about under the section on Amma under ‘Masters’.

I understand the ‘doomsday’ mentality of some fundamentalist Christian thought but generally speaking that mindset is inundated with the view to increase and multiply rather than being stewards of the earth.

Then why is it the best of times brings the worst out in people? On the average I pick up 30 to 50 plastic and glass bottles a day to recycle them, that ended up being garbage on the beach … This does include toilets, motorcycle parts, tires, chains connected to boat anchors, plastic bags and broken glass. What kind of environment is this to have any more people!!!

We were never meant to ruin our planet. No: what is most important is to be good stewards. I pick up plastic bags, motorcycle parts, 30-50 plastic bottles and glass bottles toilet parts boat parts and trash on the beach daily.

It is exasperating because I literally cannot keep up with the trash thrown in the ocean and on the beaches.

Many people still have the mindset that is what God wanted ....
For us to fill the Earth and subdue it.

I am astonished that they ‘know’ what God wanted us to do. I would say from personal experience that for me God wanted me to work on myself and getting rid of my ego. That seems to be the problem where we are now. Huge egos attempting to subdue the earth and those who live here.

A lot of people are asleep at the wheel, just going through life not really having the capacity to see beyond movie they are featuring in. The movie within the mind/body dimension is all encompassing therefore people become blind to what's going on around them. If you couple that with such a short attention span these days you can see how as systems breakdown and collapse not many will notice. A few souls are waking...we are told it will help bring in a better world. To see beyond your own movie is difficult even for those who are on the spiritual path. Problems can be so entrenched that there isn't really much capacity to offer more than meditation and prayer. Again we are told this will help. Swimming against the current is always going to be hard.

My friends and I go to the national forests and see more and more huge trucks loaded with freshly cut trees to build more and more houses and we live near one of the largest forests in the U.S. the Manistee national forest which has been more and more sold to private investors and people who put up no trespassing signs through huge swaths of what once was public land.